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OT: Quips to 5A

I dont care if the kid posts on Twitter: "I am transferring to School X for athletic intent. Although my family will maintain ownership of a house in School District Y, we will be renting an apartment in School District X and living there." Unless you can prove the kid isnt living in that apartment, he needs to be immediately eligible. Athletics are part of a school's educational opportunities and if a kid or family sees another school that has a better program and they move into that district, there is no reason they should sit out.
As I joked in the thread about the Quippa kid on the pay board...."I thought they only flew him for the games". That is the only problem I would have. If kids well outside a district play for another HS because they are a power.

I mean if a parent is chasing the dragon, moving their family from school to school or private school to school, well that is their prerogative.
 
I'm okay with transfers even if you don't live in the district, just as long as you pay tuition at the public school you're transferring to. What does it cost to educate a child should be the cost for anyone who doesn't live in the district.
 
I'm okay with transfers even if you don't live in the district, just as long as you pay tuition at the public school you're transferring to. What does it cost to educate a child should be the cost for anyone who doesn't live in the district.
So you are okay with school choice? If I pay my taxes, can I put them toward a private school's tuition?
 
So you are okay with school choice? If I pay my taxes, can I put them toward a private school's tuition?

No. I dont know why this is hard for some people. The "public" provides free (due to tax dollars) public education. You shouldn't be able to use public tax dollars to send your kid to a private school. That's on you. If your school district sucks, either move into a better, run for school board to fix it, lobby the powers to be to get it closed like Duquesne, or suck it up and pay for private school. The people that want to use the public's money for private school are basically thiefs.
 
The people that want to use the public's money for private school are basically thiefs.
You wanna talk about thieves... The thieves are the districts that spend double what other districts do, supplemented by state and federal funding, to produce some of the worst results in the state. Districts run by morons who keep getting bailed out with other peoples tax dollars.
 
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You wanna talk about thieves... The thieves are the districts that spend double what other districts do, supplemented by state and federal funding, to produce some of the worst results in the state. Districts run by morons who keep getting bailed out with other peoples tax dollars.

Do you think the fact they are producing the worst results in the state has anything at all to do with demographics?
 
So you are okay with school choice? If I pay my taxes, can I put them toward a private school's tuition?
yup - whatever taxes are owed to your home district should apply to even private schools just as long as they're meeting state curriculum standards.
 
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yup - whatever taxes are owed to your home district should apply to even private schools just as long as they're meeting state curriculum standards.
Hopefully the school district can absorb the loss of tax dollars. What happens, though, is that the kids left behind because their parents can't afford the full cost of private education will be the ones to suffer. It just becomes another haves/have nots situation.
 
Hopefully the school district can absorb the loss of tax dollars. What happens, though, is that the kids left behind because their parents can't afford the full cost of private education will be the ones to suffer. It just becomes another haves/have nots situation.
I won't disclose the area but I was tasked to look at the amount of money spent per student in our local public schools grades K-5 and the it was about $8000 per student. The local Catholic school (which had far superior results) charged tuition in the $3000 per student range. You could actually give the public schools $5000 in additional funds.
 
yup - whatever taxes are owed to your home district should apply to even private schools just as long as they're meeting state curriculum standards.

Private schools don't have any standards. There is no way to tell if they are any better than the public schools.
 
No. I dont know why this is hard for some people. The "public" provides free (due to tax dollars) public education. You shouldn't be able to use public tax dollars to send your kid to a private school. That's on you. If your school district sucks, either move into a better, run for school board to fix it, lobby the powers to be to get it closed like Duquesne, or suck it up and pay for private school. The people that want to use the public's money for private school are basically thiefs.
The average PA student has $21,000 per year. Most private schools are not $21,000 per year.
 
The local Catholic school (which had far superior results) charged tuition in the $3000 per student range. You could actually give the public schools $5000 in additional funds.

The local Catholic school has no state standards so you have no idea if they have superior results.
 
Private schools don't have any standards. There is no way to tell if they are any better than the public schools.
So....teaching kids to pass a multiple choice standardized test is the better way? Standardized tests don't accurately measure student learning and growth. Unlike standardized tests, performance-based assessment allows students to choose how they show learning. Performance-based assessment is equitable, accurate, and engaging for students and teachers.
 
I won't disclose the area but I was tasked to look at the amount of money spent per student in our local public schools grades K-5 and the it was about $8000 per student. The local Catholic school (which had far superior results) charged tuition in the $3000 per student range. You could actually give the public schools $5000 in additional funds.
We both know that it's way more complicated than just measuring some chosen "result".
 
The average PA student has $21,000 per year. Most private schools are not $21,000 per year.

$16K. However that is misleading for several reasons:

1. Most of the population is in Eastern PA where the cost of living and thus the cost to educate is much higher.

2. You are comparing things that arent equal. You say it only costs $3000 tuition at your local Catholic school. But that doesn't mean it only costs $3000 to educate that student. It just means that is all your paying. The local church, local diocese, and private donations also contribute to the cost and it reduces your cost.

3. Also, you get what you pay for. At private schools, you get the teachers who couldn't get public school jobs and are making poverty wages. That isnt to say there arent some great private school teachers. Im sure they are. But these are the XFL or USFL as far as teachers go. You also dont get the flashy new buildings, sports facilities, or extracurriculars. Maybe that stuff isnt important but its depressing as hell stepping foot in these private schools. Its like stepping into a time portal back to the WWII era. I cant imagine having to go to school in these buildings.
 
So....teaching kids to pass a multiple choice standardized test is the better way? Standardized tests don't accurately measure student learning and growth. Unlike standardized tests, performance-based assessment allows students to choose how they show learning. Performance-based assessment is equitable, accurate, and engaging for students and teachers.

There isnt a perfect way to do it. Public schools have assessments. Private schools do not. All the kids at private schools could be dumb as rocks for all you know. The data would never be released.
 
What demographics are incapable of being educated?

Test scores are directly correlated to family household income. If your parents are making good money, chances are they are smart. If they are smart, chances are you inherited that and thus will do well on the standardized tests.
 
Test scores are directly correlated to family household income. If your parents are making good money, chances are they are smart. If they are smart, chances are you inherited that and thus will do well on the standardized tests.
Well............people do have to understand, life is not fair and "born on 3rd base" is for real. Still, you are in charge of your own destiny....for now....in this country.
 
Well............people do have to understand, life is not fair and "born on 3rd base" is for real. Still, you are in charge of your own destiny....for now....in this country.

The districts with kids born on 3rd base have higher test scores than the districts whose kids were born with an 0-2 count with 2 outs down 10-0 in the bottom of the 9th. Who would have thought? Yes, its possible for those kids to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc, but the odds are pretty close to insurmountable. In college basketball terms, they are the 15 or 16 seed. Sometimes they win but just because its theoretically possible, lets not pretend that everyone has an equal shot.
 
$16K. However that is misleading for several reasons:

1. Most of the population is in Eastern PA where the cost of living and thus the cost to educate is much higher.

2. You are comparing things that arent equal. You say it only costs $3000 tuition at your local Catholic school. But that doesn't mean it only costs $3000 to educate that student. It just means that is all your paying. The local church, local diocese, and private donations also contribute to the cost and it reduces your cost.

3. Also, you get what you pay for. At private schools, you get the teachers who couldn't get public school jobs and are making poverty wages. That isnt to say there arent some great private school teachers. Im sure they are. But these are the XFL or USFL as far as teachers go. You also dont get the flashy new buildings, sports facilities, or extracurriculars. Maybe that stuff isnt important but its depressing as hell stepping foot in these private schools. Its like stepping into a time portal back to the WWII era. I cant imagine having to go to school in these buildings.
1) Let's focus on K-5th grade since that is critical for basic education. On the high end, a private school is $8,000 vs $16,000 in public school. Advantage: Private school

2) You are incorrect. I did the study. It cost $3000 to educate, provide academic support, operate the building, along with ancillaries. That was a budget with school capacity that was 80% filled. The school was not subsidized by the local parish or the diocese. This was done intentionally as the school recognized perish support will dwindle since less people attend church. Donors did support the school to the tune of about $100,000 per year. Having 100 more students at $3000 would fill the coffers by $300,000 annually. That would be huge.

3) You make a point about public school teachers getting more money....and in many cases, you get what you pay for. You also get a teachers union that is out of hand, public/advocacy social policies that are hurting students, discipline issues that cannot be addressed without fear of litigious action, and general malaise that has been plaguing public school teachers since covid. The buildings may be old, but they are safe and the facilities work. Tax dollars should not be used to build football stadiums, wrestling rooms, or auxiliary gyms....private donations should.
 
1) Let's focus on K-5th grade since that is critical for basic education. On the high end, a private school is $8,000 vs $16,000 in public school. Advantage: Private school

2) You are incorrect. I did the study. It cost $3000 to educate, provide academic support, operate the building, along with ancillaries. That was a budget with school capacity that was 80% filled. The school was not subsidized by the local parish or the diocese. This was done intentionally as the school recognized perish support will dwindle since less people attend church. Donors did support the school to the tune of about $100,000 per year. Having 100 more students at $3000 would fill the coffers by $300,000 annually. That would be huge.

3) You make a point about public school teachers getting more money....and in many cases, you get what you pay for. You also get a teachers union that is out of hand, public/advocacy social policies that are hurting students, discipline issues that cannot be addressed without fear of litigious action, and general malaise that has been plaguing public school teachers since covid. The buildings may be old, but they are safe and the facilities work. Tax dollars should not be used to build football stadiums, wrestling rooms, or auxiliary gyms....private donations should.

I dont think you understand all the costs associated with public schools. I know several people who send 1 kid to private school but then have a special needs sibling who the private school will not accept or will accept with no support so they send to public. Do you know how much it costs to provide services to these kids or to pay to send them to specialized schools? That's just one example. Public schools are to educate all of the public. Private schools can pick and choose who they want to educate. They serve a purpose. If I couldn't afford to live in a richer school disrict, I'd send my kids to private school also.
 
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At private schools, you get the teachers who couldn't get public school jobs and are making poverty wages. That isnt to say there arent some great private school teachers. Im sure they are. But these are the XFL or USFL as far as teachers go. You also dont get the flashy new buildings, sports facilities, or extracurriculars.
Not all private schools are nearly the same. You know that.
 
Test scores are directly correlated to family household income. If your parents are making good money, chances are they are smart. If they are smart, chances are you inherited that and thus will do well on the standardized tests.
Your retort is that lower income people aren't smart. Well, I don't believe that.

I think the system that's been put in place to supposedly help them, keeps them right where certain people want them.
 
Your retort is that lower income people aren't smart. Well, I don't believe that.

I think the system that's been put in place to supposedly help them, keeps them right where certain people want them.

On the average, the parents of Mt. Lebanon students have higher IQs than the parents of Mapletown students. I'm not going out on a limb here. The amount of money you will make in your career is based largely on the IQ that you inherited from your parents. Obviously there are exceptions.

I don't disagree with your 2nd paragraph. I feel that lower income areas should be given the opportunity to attend the rich public schools but those in the rich areas would fight that to the bitter end. So we have legalized school segregation based on income. The poor kids go to School District A and that district has the lowest test scores. The middle class kids go to School District B and their test scores are in the middle, and the rich kids go to School District A and their test scores are at the top. This isnt new information
 
The districts with kids born on 3rd base have higher test scores than the districts whose kids were born with an 0-2 count with 2 outs down 10-0 in the bottom of the 9th. Who would have thought? Yes, its possible for those kids to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc, but the odds are pretty close to insurmountable. In college basketball terms, they are the 15 or 16 seed. Sometimes they win but just because its theoretically possible, lets not pretend that everyone has an equal shot.
Let's also not pretend everyone is completely equal.
 
Your retort is that lower income people aren't smart. Well, I don't believe that.

I think the system that's been put in place to supposedly help them, keeps them right where certain people want them.
No, I generally think while not so politically correct to say, rich people are smarter than poorer people. On average. Not everyone. But I think there is that correlation towards not just IQ, but obviously educations levels, quality of education and expectations. The last is key. Because it is the same whether it is in Homewood Brushton or the hollers of Greene County and West Virginia. When you have generational malaise towards education and achieving, it takes one strong person to overcome that.
 
No, I generally think while not so politically correct to say, rich people are smarter than poorer people. On average. Not everyone.

Its politically incorrect to say that? Its common sense. Obviously there are some super smart poor people and idiot rich people but on the average, no one would argue.
 
I dont think you understand all the costs associated with public schools. I know several people who send 1 kid to private school but then have a special needs sibling who the private school will not accept or will accept with no support so they send to public. Do you know how much it costs to provide services to these kids or to pay to send them to specialized schools? That's just one example. Public schools are to educate all of the public. Private schools can pick and choose who they want to educate. They serve a purpose. If I couldn't afford to live in a richer school disrict, I'd send my kids to private school also.
I understand the costs and I think public schools are incredibly important to serve the EDUCATIONAL needs of everyone. Your argument does not hold water since the top performing public school and lowest performing school both spend about $17,000 per student. Do you see that this is not a financial problem? School choice is not about taking money away from public schools, it is about redistributing the funds...which will actually benefit many public schools (financially) since sending them to a private school is typically less expensive then teaching them in public school.
 
I understand the costs and I think public schools are incredibly important to serve the EDUCATIONAL needs of everyone. Your argument does not hold water since the top performing public school and lowest performing school both spend about $17,000 per student. Do you see that this is not a financial problem? School choice is not about taking money away from public schools, it is about redistributing the funds...which will actually benefit many public schools (financially) since sending them to a private school is typically less expensive then teaching them in public school.

We can go round and round but the bottom line is this. You cannot steal the public's money to pay for a private education. The money isnt FOR those kids. Its to provide a public education, not a private one. I doubt this would be legal but your best bet would be if lets say your town abolished the school district. Inotherwords, there is no more West Mifflin School District (just using an example). However, in this scenario, the town of West Mifflin still values the importance of ensuring its children are provided an education so they collect taxes, lets say an extra 2% or 3% wage tax (but no property tax). With that money, they send you a check every year to pay for the tuition at either your child's private school or maybe they can pay tuition to go to TJ or Bethel Park or EF or wherever. But you cant live in an area that has a school district and expect to steal money from that district.
 
We can go round and round but the bottom line is this. You cannot steal the public's money to pay for a private education. The money isnt FOR those kids. Its to provide a public education, not a private one. I doubt this would be legal but your best bet would be if lets say your town abolished the school district. Inotherwords, there is no more West Mifflin School District (just using an example). However, in this scenario, the town of West Mifflin still values the importance of ensuring its children are provided an education so they collect taxes, lets say an extra 2% or 3% wage tax (but no property tax). With that money, they send you a check every year to pay for the tuition at either your child's private school or maybe they can pay tuition to go to TJ or Bethel Park or EF or wherever. But you cant live in an area that has a school district and expect to steal money from that district.
That’s not the bottom line…..not at all. Public taxes often use private business for services and projects. The real bottom line is for those tax dollars to provide an education to children. Not create pension funds, not to build stadiums, and certainly not to be wasted on a system that is failing these children.
 
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No, I generally think while not so politically correct to say, rich people are smarter than poorer people. On average. Not everyone. But I think there is that correlation towards not just IQ, but obviously educations levels, quality of education and expectations. The last is key. Because it is the same whether it is in Homewood Brushton or the hollers of Greene County and West Virginia. When you have generational malaise towards education and achieving, it takes one strong person to overcome that.
Rich people promote education more than poor people. It's important, it's looked at positively, and it's socially acceptable to be nerdy. Rich people get their kids tutors to help them with math, english, etc.. It has much less to do with mental capacity than it does your surroundings.

I can guarantee you that someone who can rip an engine apart and put it back together is a lot smarter than many of the parents in my district, even if they don't know which your to use in a sentence.
 
Rich people promote education more than poor people. It's important, it's looked at positively, and it's socially acceptable to be nerdy. Rich people get their kids tutors to help them with math, english, etc.. It has much less to do with mental capacity than it does your surroundings.

I can guarantee you that someone who can rip an engine apart and put it back together is a lot smarter than many of the parents in my district, even if they don't know which your to use in a sentence.

Do you think there is ANY correlation at all between IQ and career earnings?
 
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