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Pitt’s new on campus football stadium

In the last couple of decades in Oakland and for most of the last 40 years Pitt played with 2 arms pinned behind their back in the form of lack of institutional support and commitment …that’s not the case today….compare apples to apples.


Well if that's what you think then the solution is not an on campus stadium, it's to go back to what we were doing 45 years ago when we were successful. And that was to pay the players as much or more than anyone else in the country. Start doing that again and success will follow. Whether we play on campus or a couple miles off campus.

And the good thing is that doing it now would be within the rules, unlike what was going on back then.
 
Hell, I went to gateway high school to watch the spring game like 20 years ago and had a blast!
We could be playing in Cupples stadium - so folks who need seat cushions for their sensitive rears can enjoy the aluminum bleachers , again!
 
Well if that's what you think then the solution is not an on campus stadium, it's to go back to what we were doing 45 years ago when we were successful. And that was to pay the players as much or more than anyone else in the country. Start doing that again and success will follow. Whether we play on campus or a couple miles off campus.

And the good thing is that doing it now would be within the rules, unlike what was going on back then.
Also have a top notch coaching staff !
 
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Some posters arguing for an OCS still haven't joined the rest of us in the new NIL world.

A sold out venue with great atmosphere is nice, but nowhere near as critical as it was 5 years ago

Coach Franklin:

" son, look at this place, 105K whiteout. Cant you just feel it? Why would you want to play at a half empty rent a stadium "?

4 star DE with lots of offers:

" because Pitt has an offer for me that is 100K more than you and your sold out farm show"......
 
Some posters arguing for an OCS still haven't joined the rest of us in the new NIL world.

A sold out venue with great atmosphere is nice, but nowhere near as critical as it was 5 years ago

Coach Franklin:

" son, look at this place, 105K whiteout. Cant you just feel it? Why would you want to play at a half empty rent a stadium "?

4 star DE with lots of offers:

" because Pitt has an offer for me that is 100K more than you and your sold out farm show"......


SMU has 17 players on their 2 deep via the Transfer Portal and I think Indiana has 23 players via TP.

Transfer Portal and NIL has changed college football.

Don't need a new on campus stadium (used 7 times per year), save the $$$$ for NIL.

Tarp Acrisure down to 50,000 fans for Pitt Games (only 7 times per year).

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
 
SMU has 17 players on their 2 deep via the Transfer Portal and I think Indiana has 23 players via TP.

Transfer Portal and NIL has changed college football.

Don't need a new on campus stadium (used 7 times per year), save the $$$$ for NIL.

Tarp Acrisure down to 50,000 fans for Pitt Games (only 7 times per year).

HAIL TO PITT!!!!
You understand that Pitt has tried and the outrage from ticket holders from those sections (despite being upgraded to better seats ) squashed that notion .
Folks didn’t want to move because they like those seats
 
You understand that Pitt has tried and the outrage from ticket holders from those sections (despite being upgraded to better seats ) squashed that notion .
Folks didn’t want to move because they like those seats
Tarps are just dumb and I don't understand why people thing they will fix anything. Kids will play in the parking lot for the right price and that's really what it comes down to. All of that rah-rah and atmosphere BS went right out the window when money became a factor.
 
Tarps are just dumb and I don't understand why people thing they will fix anything. Kids will play in the parking lot for the right price and that's really what it comes down to. All of that rah-rah and atmosphere BS went right out the window when money became a factor.
Even prior to that, if the stadium was tarped, does anyone REALLY think it matters? Anyone who makes fun of attendance would shift from look at all those empty seats to haha look they had to tarp it. Tarping would have no real impact whatsoever. Optics on tv? Again, 35k, 40k, whatever - the number of asses in seats is still the number.
 
Even prior to that, if the stadium was tarped, does anyone REALLY think it matters? Anyone who makes fun of attendance would shift from look at all those empty seats to haha look they had to tarp it. Tarping would have no real impact whatsoever. Optics on tv? Again, 35k, 40k, whatever - the number of asses in seats is still the number.
The "optics" argument is equally dumb. The only reason this fan base loses sleep over attendance numbers is because everyone has a buddy that is a PSU fan that thinks it matters as much as winning football games that matter.
 
Even prior to that, if the stadium was tarped, does anyone REALLY think it matters? Anyone who makes fun of attendance would shift from look at all those empty seats to haha look they had to tarp it. Tarping would have no real impact whatsoever. Optics on tv? Again, 35k, 40k, whatever - the number of asses in seats is still the number.
The only people who worry about it are the same who never attend in person .
TV only fans
 
The issues Pitt has with the stadium and fan support are never getting fixed. They assured this decades ago and doubled down on their mistakes.
 
I don’t get that detachment with reality either. Some here would have us all believe it was standing room only and rocking all the time. It’s baffling.
There were about 6k of us at a rainy Villanova game .
Regularly it was so empty you could yell at players and they’d would yell back since they could hear clearly .
I started at pitt in 1996 .
 
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There were about 6k of us at a rainy Villanova game .
Regularly it was so empty you could yell at players and they’d would yell back since they could hear clearly .
I started at pitt in 1996 .

there were under 40k for the next to the last game ever at Pitt stadium against Miami in 1999.
 
And you were called out as the flaming, giant moron that you are in that thread. My lord you haven't a clue how things are run at universities.

Ramicone served Pitt for 30 years, starting under Wesley Posvar, helped oversee one of the greatest financial turnarounds in the university's history in his roles...helped grow the university's net assets by $2 billion in 7 years as CFO.

Gallagher, who himself was a Pitt grad, entire leadership team and where they did their own education:

Patricia E. Beeson
Provost and Senior Vice Chancellor
Oregon and Oregon St

Kenyon Bonner
Interim Vice Provost and Dean of Students
Kent State and Penn

G. Reynolds “Renny” Clark
Vice Chancellor and Special Assistant to the Chancellor
Geneva college

John P. Elliott
Director of Internal Audit
Gannon

B. Jean Ferketish
Secretary of the Board of Trustees and Assistant Chancellor
Duquesne and Pitt, received award from Big East for women's sports contributions

Jeff Gleim
Associate Vice Chancellor for Alumni Relations and Executive Director, Pitt Alumni Association
Ohio State

Kathy W. Humphrey
Senior Vice Chancellor for Engagement and Chief of Staff
St. Louis university

Clyde B. Jones III
Vice Chancellor for Health Sciences Development
Penn State

Randy P. Juhl
Vice Chancellor for Research Conduct and Compliance and Interim Athletic Director
Waldorf and Iowa

Arthur S. Levine, MD
Senior Vice Chancellor for the Health Sciences and Dean of the School of Medicine More
Columbia

Amy K. Marsh
Chief Investment Officer and Treasurer
Wittenberg and Northwestern

Albert J. Novak Jr.
Vice Chancellor for Institutional Advancement
St. Vincent and CMU

Arthur Ramicone
Chief Financial Officer and Interim Executive Vice Chancellor
Penn State

P. Jerome Richey
General Counsel
Pitt and Pitt Law, All-American distance runner at Pitt

Kenneth P. Service
Vice Chancellor for Communications
Canisius

Vijai Singh
Associate Chancellor
Lucknow and Wisconsin

Paul Supowitz
Vice Chancellor for Community and Governmental Relations
Indiana and Pitt Law
I knew Jeff when he was at OSU.
 
The "optics" argument is equally dumb. The only reason this fan base loses sleep over attendance numbers is because everyone has a buddy that is a PSU fan that thinks it matters as much as winning football games that matter.


I don't think I've ever seen any comments about the fact that USC has put tarps over thousands of seats at the Coliseum for years. I don't know, maybe that's because UCLA uses tarps too.

At the end of the day, what difference does it make?
 
I don't think I've ever seen any comments about the fact that USC has put tarps over thousands of seats at the Coliseum for years. I don't know, maybe that's because UCLA uses tarps too.

At the end of the day, what difference does it make?
The difference is the bright yellow seats! Those have to be the brightest seats of any NFL, or even college, stadium! Whoever came up with those seat colors really effed-up! They even stick-out during some Steeler games! It just looks so bad!
 
The difference is the bright yellow seats! Those have to be the brightest seats of any NFL, or even college, stadium! Whoever came up with those seat colors really effed-up! They even stick-out during some Steeler games! It just looks so bad!
The Chaquita Company recommended those yellow seats... 🍌
 
I don't think I've ever seen any comments about the fact that USC has put tarps over thousands of seats at the Coliseum for years. I don't know, maybe that's because UCLA uses tarps too.

At the end of the day, what difference does it make?

You're right. Pitt can't compete in an NIL world, so it really doesn't make much difference with recruiting anymore.
 
The difference is the bright yellow seats! Those have to be the brightest seats of any NFL, or even college, stadium! Whoever came up with those seat colors really effed-up! They even stick-out during some Steeler games! It just looks so bad!
Who gives a shit ?
Don’t like how they look on tv ?
Fill a seat
 
Well, that's more than were at HF for the Miami game in 2017.
Stay on the coach .
Let us actual fans worry about it
The fact you are using this as a comparison by a 5k difference from a game in September to the last game of a to that point 4 win season -
Tells you how idiotic your position was
I was at both -
Actually worked for espn on the sideline for $75 in 97.
I enjoyed my club seats in 2017.
 
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Look at North Dakota State’s Stadium.
It is very similar to the Fitzgerald Field House. Pitt needs to taker Heather’s disastrous Victory Blight project and wrap it into an indoor football facility where 30-40 thousand Pitt fans would be a huge home field advantage. Make all the other non - profit teams apart of the expansion and build it into the Peterson’s Event Center!


Makes too much sense.
I have been saying for years now that the #1 issue within the AD was Lyke's inability to build an on campus stadium. I agree with you that if should be done, just don't think the Pitt administration wants to do so.
Whether any one on here wants to admit it or not, but the Pitt administration is cheap. They have constantly balked at purchasing existing properties near the Oakland campus when they have become available over the years. They always seem to be willing to sit back and wait with he hope that the property owners will just donate that property or building to Pitt.
The school has an endowment of over $4.5 Billion dollars, yet they are constantly asking for donations from its alumni. Even during Covid when many people were out of work, they were sending out correspondence asking for donations to the school. That really bothered me. If I had extra money to donate at that time, it would have went to a place like CHP, not to an entity with over $4.5 Billion in the bank. Back to the endowment money...What are the saving that money for??? I understand that there are some restrictions in place for the use of that money, but if it is being used to invest/improve the university, why not use it?
Lastly, there is plenty of room for an on campus stadium if the school wanted to build that facility. Do I know where that facility would go? No, I do not and that is okay, because that is not my job to do so. If it were, a new on campus facility would be being built already. Pitt needs to stop being cheap and making excuses for why it can't be done and just do it.
 
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It’s really easy to get in and out of .
Plus free parking in a large garage next door .
They build hospitals where populations actually need them
"They build hospitals where populations actually need them"??
I don't know about that one. I mean, did the Municipality of Monroeville and the surrounding eastern suburbs really need to have UPMC East built out there? I don't think so. There was already a fully functioning Level 2 trauma center (Forbes Regional Hospital) about 3/4 of a mile down the road from it, was UPMC East actually needed? I don't think that is why that hospital was built. I don't think that it had anything to do with healthcare of those living in that area, I think it all has to do with MONEY and how much more of it that UPMC wants to make off of those living in the Pittsburgh area.
 
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"They build hospitals where populations actually need them"??
I don't know about that one. I mean, did the Municipality of Monroeville and the surrounding eastern suburbs really need to have UPMC East built out there? I don't think so. There was already a fully functioning Level 2 trauma center (Forbes Regional Hospital) about 3/4 of a mile down the road from it, was UPMC East actually needed? I don't think that is why that hospital was built. I don't think that it had anything to do with healthcare of those living in that area, I think it all has to do with MONEY and how much more of it that UPMC wants to make off of those living in the Pittsburgh area.
Hint Forbes is Highmark/AHN
East is UPMC

The VA isn’t for profit like those - it’s a nationalized healthcare system .
So the idea of moving it to the burbs is nonsense
No doubt the perverse and inefficient incentives for private insurers is silly .
But , that’s too hard to grasp for some -
Until their employer cuts their benefits to save money - so they instead blame the government ironically .
 
I have been saying for years now that the #1 issue within the AD was Lyke's inability to build an on campus stadium.
I don't know how to tell you this without sounding like a broken record but the AD doesn't get to decide what to build or what not to build. Huge capital projects are decided on from above. The school realized it had a problem and made a commitment to upgrade facilities back when it joined the ACC. Not sure if you remember but Pitt was widely thought of as a joke when it came to sports. Terrible teams and ancient facilities. It's not like Heather walked into the athletic offices one day with MSPaint renderings and decided to build a multi-sport facility and the school started writing checks. Perhaps many of the details were ironed out while she was here but its not like she made the call. The beef was that she didn't raise more money for it. I wish the new AD good luck with that but that's the problem.

Pitt doesn't want an on-campus stadium. Strategically, it makes sense to not invest in something that doesn't get year round use and doesn't generate much more revenue that what they have now. It's infinitely more likely that the administration will go backwards in its commitment to sports because that's always been the trend.
 
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I don't think I've ever seen any comments about the fact that USC has put tarps over thousands of seats at the Coliseum for years. I don't know, maybe that's because UCLA uses tarps too.

At the end of the day, what difference does it make?
I’m qualified to answer this question because I’m one of the fans who makes noise every home game and have been doing so for a long time. When fans are in closer proximity to each other, then they are much more inclined to stand and make more noise. That is based on 40 years of attending home games. I also agree with the people saying the optics of the yellow seats magnifies the situation.
 
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I don't know how to tell you this without sounding like a broken record but the AD doesn't get to decide what to build or what not to build. Huge capital projects are decided on from above. The school realized it had a problem and made a commitment to upgrade facilities back when it joined the ACC. Not sure if you remember but Pitt was widely thought of as a joke when it came to sports. Terrible teams and ancient facilities. It's not like Heather walked into the athletic offices one day with MSPaint renderings and decided to build a multi-sport facility and the school started writing checks. Perhaps many of the details were ironed out while she was here but its not like she made the call. The beef was that she didn't raise more money for it. I wish the new AD good luck with that but that's the problem.

Pitt doesn't want an on-campus stadium. Strategically, it makes sense to not invest in something that doesn't get year round use and doesn't generate much more revenue that what they have now. It's infinitely more likely that the administration will go backwards in its commitment to sports because that's always been the trend.
I think it should be noted that some form of multi-purpose Olympic sports facility on the hilltop - either the OC lot or the Pete lawn - has been talked about for almost a decade, and predates Lyke’s hiring here. It appears in the earliest drafts for the campus master plan starting in 2017, building off of the capital and facilities plan that Scott Barnes started when he was here with Populous in 2016.

Figuring out “what to do with the field house,” given that everyone knew that it was an unacceptable facility in the 21st century, has basically been Pitt Athletics’ primary objective since the Petersen Sports Complex was completed in 2011. This is a project that predates Lyke, and even predates Barnes (the concept of a multi-use Olympic sports facility that includes an indoor track was talked about by Peterson way, way back in the day).
 
I’m qualified to answer this question because I’m one of the fans who makes noise every home game and have been doing so for a long time. When fans are in closer proximity to each other, then they are much more inclined to stand and make more noise. That is based on 40 years of attending home games. I also agree with the people saying the optics of the yellow seats magnifies the situation.
That's the first legit argument I've ever heard for herding people into a few sections.
 
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Figuring out “what to do with the field house,” given that everyone knew that it was an unacceptable facility in the 21st century, has basically been Pitt Athletics’ primary objective since the Petersen Sports Complex was completed in 2011. This is a project that predates Lyke, and even predates Barnes (the concept of a multi-use Olympic sports facility that includes an indoor track was talked about by Peterson way, way back in the day).
And a better place for sports medicine. That's part of this, too.
 
I’m qualified to answer this question because I’m one of the fans who makes noise every home game and have been doing so for a long time. When fans are in closer proximity to each other, then they are much more inclined to stand and make more noise. That is based on 40 years of attending home games. I also agree with the people saying the optics of the yellow seats magnifies the situation.


There is nothing at all that is magical about tarps that could make what you want to happen happen with them that couldn't be accomplished without them. Pitt could close the upper deck end zone seats for all but the biggest games right now, if they wanted to and thought it would help. It seems pretty clear they don't think it's a big deal. Certainly not as big a deal as way too many fans think.

Go to the games, have a good time, care less about how many other people are there. It's really all you can do.
 
There is nothing at all that is magical about tarps that could make what you want to happen happen with them that couldn't be accomplished without them. Pitt could close the upper deck end zone seats for all but the biggest games right now, if they wanted to and thought it would help. It seems pretty clear they don't think it's a big deal. Certainly not as big a deal as way too many fans think.

Go to the games, have a good time, care less about how many other people are there. It's really all you can do.
You could actually bring in money through advertising. You could have UPMC, PNC, etc. on the tarps.
 
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