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Pitt finds itself in what is easily the nation's best athletic conference

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There is absolutely no way to argue that the ACC wasn't the strongest football conference this season. And having loaded up on coaching talent and with its favorable southern demographics, don't look for it not to be in that conversation regularly going forward. Then you have the other revenue sport, where the ACC's depth is nearing the halcyon days of the circa 2000s Big East. It absolutely dominates some of the next closest spectator friendly sports such as soccer and lax, and is unquestionably one of the top two baseball conferences providing a September to June smorgasbord of top collegiate competition. And despite the Louisville anchor, continues to boast the best average US News ranking of member institutions among all FBS conferences. With its own network 2 years away, it is in no danger of falling behind other conferences in money distributed and membership is locked up for 20 years.

The ACC is poised to crush it going forward and it brings with it the entire eastern seaboard and the most populated footprint in the country. The geography and member schools' institutional profiles fit Pitt to a T. How could anyone want to be in any other conference at this point?
 
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We are in a pretty good spot. I'm sure the naysayers will be in shortly though since we can't have anything posititve.
 
Pretty amazing as it wasn't that long ago that fsu gas bag regent went off and people had fsu clem bolting leaving Pitt in some leftover conference. Or when it was an ACC death knell when the sugar and rose bowl made deals.
 
There is absolutely no way to argue that the ACC wasn't the strongest football conference this season. And having loaded up on coaching talent and with its favorable southern demographics, don't look for it not to be in that conversation regularly going forward. Then you have the other revenue sport, where the ACC's depth is nearing the halcyon days of the circa 2000s Big East. It absolutely dominates some of the next closest spectator friendly sports such as soccer and lax, and is unquestionably one of the top two baseball conferences providing a September to June smorgasbord of top collegiate competition. And despite the Louisville anchor, continues to boast the best average US News ranking of member institutions among all FBS conferences. With its own network 2 years away, it is in no danger of falling behind other conferences in money distributed and membership is locked up for 20 years.

The ACC is poised to crush it going forward and it brings with it the entire eastern seaboard and the most populated footprint in the country. The geography and member schools institutional profiles fit Pitt to a T. How could anyone want to be in any other conference at this point?
Absolutely!
 
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Pretty amazing as it wasn't that long ago that fsu gas bag regent went off and people had fsu clem bolting leaving Pitt in some leftover conference. Or when it was an ACC death knell when the sugar and rose bowl made deals.

Remember the Champions Bowl? LMFAO! There were so many "death knells" floating around the wet dreams in Hoopieland it was hard to keep track.

Just goes to show you that some FSU board members aren't necessarily sophisticated enough to not be completely duped by pimply faced teenage trolls blogging from their mom's basement. Fake news before it was a buzz word.
 
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There is absolutely no way to argue that the ACC wasn't the strongest football conference this season. And having loaded up on coaching talent and with its favorable southern demographics, don't look for it not to be in that conversation regularly going forward. Then you have the other revenue sport, where the ACC's depth is nearing the halcyon days of the circa 2000s Big East. It absolutely dominates some of the next closest spectator friendly sports such as soccer and lax, and is unquestionably one of the top two baseball conferences providing a September to June smorgasbord of top collegiate competition. And despite the Louisville anchor, continues to boast the best average US News ranking of member institutions among all FBS conferences. With its own network 2 years away, it is in no danger of falling behind other conferences in money distributed and membership is locked up for 20 years.

The ACC is poised to crush it going forward and it brings with it the entire eastern seaboard and the most populated footprint in the country. The geography and member schools' institutional profiles fit Pitt to a T. How could anyone want to be in any other conference at this point?

Now if that could only translate to more interesting bowls....The ACC selection is rather pathetic IMO.
 
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What makes it pathetic? We played 6 ranked teams and the lineup is pretty similar to the other P5 conferences. It could improve, but playing better football will do that. But pathetic?
 
There is absolutely no way to argue that the ACC wasn't the strongest football conference this season. And having loaded up on coaching talent and with its favorable southern demographics, don't look for it not to be in that conversation regularly going forward. Then you have the other revenue sport, where the ACC's depth is nearing the halcyon days of the circa 2000s Big East. It absolutely dominates some of the next closest spectator friendly sports such as soccer and lax, and is unquestionably one of the top two baseball conferences providing a September to June smorgasbord of top collegiate competition. And despite the Louisville anchor, continues to boast the best average US News ranking of member institutions among all FBS conferences. With its own network 2 years away, it is in no danger of falling behind other conferences in money distributed and membership is locked up for 20 years.

The ACC is poised to crush it going forward and it brings with it the entire eastern seaboard and the most populated footprint in the country. The geography and member schools' institutional profiles fit Pitt to a T. How could anyone want to be in any other conference at this point?

-When Saban retires I fully expect the ACC to take over and dominate. Winning this year would be big. You are correct that the ACC in football and basketball is currently the best now and looks the best moving forward, but in college baseball the ACC isnt even close to the Pac-12. I dont follow the other sports.
 
There is absolutely no way to argue that the ACC wasn't the strongest football conference this season. And having loaded up on coaching talent and with its favorable southern demographics, don't look for it not to be in that conversation regularly going forward. Then you have the other revenue sport, where the ACC's depth is nearing the halcyon days of the circa 2000s Big East. It absolutely dominates some of the next closest spectator friendly sports such as soccer and lax, and is unquestionably one of the top two baseball conferences providing a September to June smorgasbord of top collegiate competition. And despite the Louisville anchor, continues to boast the best average US News ranking of member institutions among all FBS conferences. With its own network 2 years away, it is in no danger of falling behind other conferences in money distributed and membership is locked up for 20 years.

The ACC is poised to crush it going forward and it brings with it the entire eastern seaboard and the most populated footprint in the country. The geography and member schools' institutional profiles fit Pitt to a T. How could anyone want to be in any other conference at this point?
I'm with ya, anyone using halcyon as an adjective in their post has to know what they're talking about, even if I need to look it up to know myself:rolleyes:
 
ACC baseball is pretty damn good.


-Got a long way to go. The Pac-12 has 28 Titles since the College World Series Started back in 1947. They also won 4 of the last 10 Titles, and has played in the actual World Series game 6 of the last 10 years and 9 of the last 15 years. And that is with a slumping Arizona State, a baseball powerhouse.
 
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With all this great "stuff" happening lets nail down Notre Dame as a permanent member of the ACC, steal Florida from the SEC, add South Florida, and get an ACC Network up and running!
 
What makes it pathetic? We played 6 ranked teams and the lineup is pretty similar to the other P5 conferences. It could improve, but playing better football will do that. But pathetic?

It really is no worse than the SEC's:
Sugar vs B12 (and Orange if slot open)
Citrus vs B10 or ACC
-----1st tier
Texas vs B12
Liberty vs B12
Belk vs ACC
Music City vs ACC or B10
Outback vs B10
TaxSlayer vs ACC or B10
------2nd tier
Birmingham vs Amerian
Independence vs ACC

compared to ACC's:
Orange vs B10 or SEC or ND
Russell vs B12 and/or Citrus vs SEC
-----1st tier
Belk vs SEC
Sun vs Pac12
Pinstripe vs B10
Music City or TaxSlayer vs SEC
------2nd tier
Independence vs SEC
Military vs American
QuickLane vs B10
St. Pete vs American

The ACC got hit losing the Peach to the College Football Playoffs. Really, it could use another good Florida Bowl like the Outback, but has a fairly comparable lineup.
 
I wonder if Maryland regrets leaving?

What i like is the underlying stories of the ACC that may have caught modest attention nationwide but are stories that are only going to get bigger

specifically, Pitt, Va Tech and Miami rising expectations in football.

Clemson has become a true national brand in football to join FSU

I am impressed with Buzz Williams and the job he has done at VA Tech so far.

These items only strengthen what Paco stated in the OP.

The league is the right place for Pitt and I hope we have intentions of making some noise in Athletics.
 
There is absolutely no way to argue that the ACC wasn't the strongest football conference this season. And having loaded up on coaching talent and with its favorable southern demographics, don't look for it not to be in that conversation regularly going forward. Then you have the other revenue sport, where the ACC's depth is nearing the halcyon days of the circa 2000s Big East. It absolutely dominates some of the next closest spectator friendly sports such as soccer and lax, and is unquestionably one of the top two baseball conferences providing a September to June smorgasbord of top collegiate competition. And despite the Louisville anchor, continues to boast the best average US News ranking of member institutions among all FBS conferences. With its own network 2 years away, it is in no danger of falling behind other conferences in money distributed and membership is locked up for 20 years.

The ACC is poised to crush it going forward and it brings with it the entire eastern seaboard and the most populated footprint in the country. The geography and member schools' institutional profiles fit Pitt to a T. How could anyone want to be in any other conference at this point?

The ACC is a GREAT spot for Pitt !
 
-Got a long way to go. The Pac-12 has 28 Titles since the College World Series Started back in 1947. They also won 4 of the last 10 Titles, and has played in the actual World Series game 6 of the last 10 years and 9 of the last 15 years. And that is with a slumping Arizona State, a baseball powerhouse.

ACC got 10 bids last year (and 3 national seeds), the SEC 7 bids (4 national seeds), and the Pac 12 & CUSA got 4 each with no national seeds. The ACC and Pac both got 1 team to Omaha.

The year before that the ACC got 7 bids (2 national seeds), the SEC 7 (2 national seeds), and the Pac 6 bids (1 national seed). UVA won and Miami joined them in the CWS; the Pac had no one in Omaha.

In 2014, the SEC got 10 bids (2 national seeds), the ACC 7 (2 national seeds), and the Pac 5 bids (1 national seed). ACC got one team to Omaha (not counting UL still in the American) and the Pac none.

Before this is before Pitt joined, but the year before, but in 2013, the SEC got 9 bids (2 national seeds), the ACC 8 (3 national seeds), and the Pac 4 (2 national seeds). The ACC and Pac both got 2 to Omaha with UCLA winning it.

I don't think there is much question which conference is stronger at the current time. It is really between the ACC and SEC for baseball supremacy.
 
ACC got 10 bids last year (and 3 national seeds), the SEC 7 bids (4 national seeds), and the Pac 12 & CUSA got 4 each with no national seeds. The ACC and Pac both got 1 team to Omaha.

The year before that the ACC got 7 bids (2 national seeds), the SEC 7 (2 national seeds), and the Pac 6 bids (1 national seed). UVA won and Miami joined them in the CWS; the Pac had no one in Omaha.

In 2014, the SEC got 10 bids (2 national seeds), the ACC 7 (2 national seeds), and the Pac 5 bids (1 national seed). ACC got one team to Omaha (not counting UL still in the American) and the Pac none.

Before this is before Pitt joined, but the year before, but in 2013, the SEC got 9 bids (2 national seeds), the ACC 8 (3 national seeds), and the Pac 4 (2 national seeds). The ACC and Pac both got 2 to Omaha with UCLA winning it.

I don't think there is much question which conference is stronger at the current time. It is really between the ACC and SEC for baseball supremacy.


-Win some Championships. Because the Pac-12 is very good at doing that consistently and also getting 1 team in the Final World Series. Until the ACC starts winning titles in baseball or at least puts a team in the Title Game consistently, they are not a top conference. It doesnt matter how many bids you get.

World Series Titles since 2006

Pac-12-4
SEC-4
Acc-1

-Stanford also made the Title Game 3 different times since the year 2000.
 
-Win some Championships. Because the Pac-12 is very good at doing that consistently and also getting 1 team in the Final World Series. Until the ACC starts winning titles in baseball or at least puts a team in the Title Game consistently, they are not a top conference. It doesnt matter how many bids you get.

World Series Titles since 2006

Pac-12-4
SEC-4
Acc-1

-Stanford also made the Title Game 3 different times since the year 2000.

B.S. ACC has outperformed the PAC in the last five years. The ACC has been one of the top 2 bid earners every year since 2010. You don't get 10 bids in a season and not be a top conference.

Your logic says the WAC and Big South are equivalent to the ACC.

It's like saying the Big East wasn't a top basketball conference in the 1980s because it only had two national championships over the prior 40 years.

CWS appearances since 2006:
ACC: 21 (not counting 2 for Louisville)
PAC: 13
 
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There is absolutely no way to argue that the ACC wasn't the strongest football conference this season. And having loaded up on coaching talent and with its favorable southern demographics, don't look for it not to be in that conversation regularly going forward. Then you have the other revenue sport, where the ACC's depth is nearing the halcyon days of the circa 2000s Big East. It absolutely dominates some of the next closest spectator friendly sports such as soccer and lax, and is unquestionably one of the top two baseball conferences providing a September to June smorgasbord of top collegiate competition. And despite the Louisville anchor, continues to boast the best average US News ranking of member institutions among all FBS conferences. With its own network 2 years away, it is in no danger of falling behind other conferences in money distributed and membership is locked up for 20 years.

The ACC is poised to crush it going forward and it brings with it the entire eastern seaboard and the most populated footprint in the country. The geography and member schools' institutional profiles fit Pitt to a T. How could anyone want to be in any other conference at this point?
That's not how the stuffed suits on ESPN football broadcasts see it.
 
B.S. ACC has outperformed the PAC in the last five years. The ACC has been one of the top 2 bid earners every year since 2010. You don't get 10 bids in a season and not be a top conference.

It's like saying the Big East wasn't a top basketball conference in the 1980s because it only had two national championships over the prior 40 years.

-You have to win the College World Series Tournament or at least prove your worth by advancing. People thought the Big Ten was good this year too, and all their teams lost in bowl games against other P5 teams, including the colossal Ohio State embarrassment for everyone to watch. Everyone thinks the Big Ten sucks now even though all their top teams got great bowl games. It meant nothing, since they got beat, badly, by other good teams.

-Just because you make the college world series tournament doesnt make you great. At some point you have to advance. The ACC has not proven anything in the College Baseball World Series Tournament at a high level. Like I posted, the Pac-12 has played in the College Baseball World Series Final Game 9 of the last 15 years and won 4 titles in the last 10 years. That is dominance at the highest level. Yes, the ACC would clearly like to trade for that type of success in the real tournament, just like Pitt basketball would like to trade places with a lot of teams just to say they finally made a Final 4.
 
-You have to win the College World Series Tournament or at least prove your worth by advancing. People thought the Big Ten was good this year too, and all their teams lost in bowl games against other P5 teams, including the colossal Ohio State embarrassment for everyone to watch. Everyone thinks the Big Ten sucks now even though all their top teams got great bowl games. It meant nothing, since they got beat, badly, by other good teams.

-Just because you make the college world series tournament doesnt make you great. At some point you have to advance. The ACC has not proven anything in the College Baseball World Series Tournament at a high level. Like I posted, the Pac-12 has played in the College Baseball World Series Final Game 9 of the last 15 years and won 4 titles in the last 10 years. That is dominance at the highest level. Yes, the ACC would clearly like to trade for that type of success in the real tournament, just like Pitt basketball would like to trade places with a lot of teams just to say they finally made a Final 4.

Yeah, I going to completely disagree with you here. ACC has been one of the top 2 conferences in baseball the last five years and it isn't even close. I don't give a shit what happened 10, 20, or 30 years ago. The ACC sucked in football 10 years ago too. I'm talking now, and it is top two now, unquestionably, in football, basketball, baseball, soccer, lax, field hockey, and possibly tennis. Having the best team doesn't make for the best conference on its own.
 
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Yeah, I going to completely disagree with you here. ACC has been one of the top 2 conferences in baseball the last five years and it isn't even close. I don't give a shit what happened 10 years ago. The ACC sucked in football 10 years ago too. I'm talking now, and it is top two now, unquestionably.

-In the last 5 years the Pac-12 Won 2 National Titles and was the National Runner up last year. And Arizona lost the Title Game by 1 Run last year in the Final World Series Game and was close to winning 3 titles in the last 5 years. They are still the Top dog.

-If the SEC is going to continue to flex in football because they have Alabama and a bunch of nothing right now, the Pac-12 can clearly flex whether you want to use 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, or 50 years in baseball, because they keep winning the National Title and putting different Teams in the National Title game yearly, which is the ultimate goal. Until someone, including the ACC, stops them from winning National Titles or playing in the National Title game, the ACC has nothing on them.
 
-In the last 5 years the Pac-12 Won 2 National Titles and was the National Runner up last year. And Arizona lost the Title Game by 1 Run last year in the Final World Series Game and was close to winning 3 titles in the last 5 years. They are still the Top dog.

-If the SEC is going to continue to flex in football because they have Alabama and a bunch of nothing right now, the Pac-12 can clearly flex whether you want to use 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, or 50 years in baseball, because they keep winning the National Title and putting different Teams in the National Title game yearly, which is the ultimate goal. Until someone, including the ACC, stops them from winning National Titles or playing in the National Title game, the ACC has nothing on them.

True on SEC. BS on the Pac. The college baseball community doesn't agree with you and it shows in the rankings, RPI and the bids they receive. The Pac didn't even advance a team to the CWS in 2014 or 2015. Last year Utah was taken out in the second round by BC, Washington lost in the first round, and ASU was taken out in the Regional Final. The ACC had 4 teams in the Super Regionals to their 1. The Pac was a top heavy one team league. 8 of the current 14 ACC teams have been to the CWS the past decade. By your logic, all hail the Big South.
 
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2016 college baseball final RPI by conference:
1) ACC
2) SEC
3) Big 12
4) PAC12

The 11th best conference, the West Coast, was closer to the PAC12 than the PAC12 was to the ACC

2015 college baseball final RPI by conference:
1) SEC
2) ACC
3) American Athletic
4) PAC12

The 10th best conference, the Big South, was almost exactly the same amount below the PAC12 than the PAC12 was below the ACC.

2014 college baseball final RPI by conference:
1) SEC
2) Big 12
3) ACC
4) PAC12

2013 college baseball final RPI by conference:
1) ACC
2) SEC
3) PAC12
4) Big 12

2012 college baseball final RPI by conference:
1) SEC
2) ACC
3) PAC12
4) Big 12

I wonder how far we will have to go back to find a year that the PAC12 finished ahead of the ACC? 2011? Nope, not then either. 2010? Hey, look at that. The PAC10 was second in 2010 and the ACC was third. That is the one and only time in the last ten years that the PAC10/12 finished above the ACC in the end of season RPI ratings.
 
2016 college baseball final RPI by conference:
1) ACC
2) SEC
3) Big 12
4) PAC12

The 11th best conference, the West Coast, was closer to the PAC12 than the PAC12 was to the ACC

2015 college baseball final RPI by conference:
1) SEC
2) ACC
3) American Athletic
4) PAC12

The 10th best conference, the Big South, was almost exactly the same amount below the PAC12 than the PAC12 was below the ACC.

2014 college baseball final RPI by conference:
1) SEC
2) Big 12
3) ACC
4) PAC12

2013 college baseball final RPI by conference:
1) ACC
2) SEC
3) PAC12
4) Big 12

2012 college baseball final RPI by conference:
1) SEC
2) ACC
3) PAC12
4) Big 12

I wonder how far we will have to go back to find a year that the PAC12 finished ahead of the ACC? 2011? Nope, not then either. 2010? Hey, look at that. The PAC10 was second in 2010 and the ACC was third. That is the one and only time in the last ten years that the PAC10/12 finished above the ACC in the end of season RPI ratings.

-Since the College World Series started 69 years ago, the Pac-12 has won 41% of All National Championships. In the last 10 years, the Pac-12 has won 40% of the National Championships. And in the last 5 years, the Pac-12 has won 40% of the National Championships.

-I dont know how you cannot be any more consistent. They constantly win the National Title. The Pac-12 has a bigger strangle hold on winning the National Title in baseball and competing for a National Title then anything any other conference has in either basketball or football. The SEC or Big Ten isnt even close to that type of dominance in football All Time even with their latest football run.

-Baseball RPI isnt basketball RPI. The correlation to RPI and Champions is not the same.

-Someone needs to stop the Pac-12 from winning National Titles. The End.
 
-Since the College World Series started 69 years ago, the Pac-12 has won 41% of All National Championships. In the last 10 years, the Pac-12 has won 40% of the National Championships. And in the last 5 years, the Pac-12 has won 40% of the National Championships.

-I dont know how you cannot be any more consistent. They constantly win the National Title. The Pac-12 has a bigger strangle hold on winning the National Title in baseball and competing for a National Title then anything any other conference has in either basketball or football. The SEC or Big Ten isnt even close to that type of dominance in football All Time even with their latest football run.

-Baseball RPI isnt basketball RPI. The correlation to RPI and Champions is not the same.

-Someone needs to stop the Pac-12 from winning National Titles. The End.


You realize that simply having the best team does not mean that you are the best conference, right?

Oh, wait, I see who posted this. Forget it. You don't realize.
 
Why are we discussing the "Who cares sports " on this board ? I love baseball, buy it's so boring to watch and talk about
 
-Since the College World Series started 69 years ago, the Pac-12 has won 41% of All National Championships. In the last 10 years, the Pac-12 has won 40% of the National Championships. And in the last 5 years, the Pac-12 has won 40% of the National Championships.

-I dont know how you cannot be any more consistent. They constantly win the National Title. The Pac-12 has a bigger strangle hold on winning the National Title in baseball and competing for a National Title then anything any other conference has in either basketball or football. The SEC or Big Ten isnt even close to that type of dominance in football All Time even with their latest football run.

-Baseball RPI isnt basketball RPI. The correlation to RPI and Champions is not the same.

-Someone needs to stop the Pac-12 from winning National Titles. The End.

What is the correlation with the RPI?

The Pac doesn't even consistently place a team in the CWS.

And the Pac has won a higher % of basketball tournaments since that was founded so they're clearly a better basketball conference in the present by your weird logic.
 
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You realize that simply having the best team does not mean that you are the best conference, right?

Oh, wait, I see who posted this. Forget it. You don't realize.

-The Pac-12 had the best win percentage in the entire World Series Tournament in 2012, 2013, AND 2016 for all power 5 conferences. The Pac-12 had a win percentage of over 70% in 3 of the last 5 Tournaments. So yes, the Pac-12, while winning National Championships, has cleaned house in the World Series Tournament.
 
Pretty amazing as it wasn't that long ago that fsu gas bag regent went off and people had fsu clem bolting leaving Pitt in some leftover conference. Or when it was an ACC death knell when the sugar and rose bowl made deals.
The Dude "not pleased".
 
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-The Pac-12 had the best win percentage in the entire World Series Tournament in 2012, 2013, AND 2016 for all power 5 conferences. The Pac-12 had a win percentage of over 70% in 3 of the last 5 Tournaments. So yes, the Pac-12, while winning National Championships, has cleaned house in the World Series Tournament.

Yes, top heavy conferences with little depth have higher winning percentages when they have so few teams getting bids. Hail the mighty Sun Belt.
 
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Yes, top heavy conferences with little depth have higher winning percentages when they have so few teams getting bids. Hail the mighty Sun Belt.

The Pac-12 has less teams so I dont know what you are implying.

2012 Ncaa Tournament- Champion Pac-12

Pac-12- 25-7 World Series Tournament record
SEC- 32-18
Acc 18-15

2013 Ncaa Tournament- Champion Pac-12

Pac-12 22-7 Record
ACC 26-18
SEC- 26-20

2016 Ncaa Tournament- Pac-12 Tournament Runner Up

Pac-12 15-10 record
Acc 25-21
SEC 19-17

-If It was a 1 team Conference like Joe said, the numbers wouldnt be skewed so heavily. The top 5 teams from this conference generally have plowed everyone else. The Pac-12 Wins Championships and makes deep runs, multiple teams, not 1 team. Which is what I said all along.
 
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