Pitt unveils first Hall of Fame class

[Chris Peak]

Press release:

University of PittsburghDirector of Athletics Heather Lyke announced today the inaugural 16-member class of the Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame.

The group is composed of Olympians, national champions, Super Bowl winners, world-record setters and legendary figures whose names and achievements resonate well beyond Pitt. There are 12 living honorees and four posthumous inductees.

“It is with tremendous pride that we present the inaugural class of the Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame,” Lyke said. “These individuals represent Pitt’s Gold Standard and we are greatly looking forward to honoring them at our official induction ceremony in September.

“I love to remind people that Pitt could have its own wing in so many different halls of fame. Our athletic history is that rich and accomplished. I certainly tasked the selection committee with a huge challenge in trying to pare down 150 years of history for this inaugural class. In looking at our many deserving candidates, it is obvious that this 2018 group will be the first of many legendary Hall of Fame classes at Pitt. We’re thrilled to celebrate their achievements with a fitting showcase.”

Listed in alphabetical order, these are the members of the inaugural Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame class and their primary sport of distinction.

• Henry Clifford "Doc" Carlson (Athlete: Football, Basketball, Baseball; Coach: Basketball)
• Mike Ditka (Football)
• Tony Dorsett (Football)
• Herb Douglas (Track and Field)
• Bill Fralic (Football)
• Marshall Goldberg (Football)
• Hugh Green (Football)
• Trecia-Kaye Smith (Track and Field)
• Roger Kingdom (Track and Field)
• Billy Knight (Basketball)
• Dan Marino (Football)
• Lisa Shirk (Gymnastics)
• Charles Smith (Basketball)
• Kathy Stetler (Swimming)
• John Bain “Jock” Sutherland (Athlete: Football; Coach: Football)
• John Woodruff (Track and Field)

Nominations for the Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame were solicited from the general public in January and accepted through March 31. Candidates had to be five years removed from their final year of collegiate competition and not currently be playing professional sports. An 18-member selection committee then evaluated the candidate pool and provided a recommendation on the inaugural class to the director of athletics.

The inaugural class will receive induction at the Pitt Hall of Fame Dinner on Friday, Sept. 7, at the Petersen Events Center. On Saturday, Sept. 8, the inductees will be introduced at Heinz Field when the Panthers host historic rival Penn State. For Hall of Fame Dinner ticket information and event updates, go to www.pittsburghpanthers.com/HallofFame. For additional questions, please contact Executive Director for Strategic Initiatives and Engagement Kelly Brennan via email (events@athletics.pitt.edu) or phone (412-225-3081).

 

[Chris Peak]

Inaugural Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame Class Biographies

Henry Clifford "Doc" Carlson (Posthumous) (Athlete: Football, Basketball, Baseball; Coach: Basketball)
Carlson stands as one of Pitt’s first multiple-sport stars and later gained legendary status as a head coach. He earned four letters in three different sports: football, basketball and baseball. Carlson was a football All-American at end in 1917 under Coach Glenn “Pop” Warner. During his four-year career on the gridiron (1914-17), Carlson helped the Panthers achieve a 34-1 record. In 1920 he earned his M.D. degree from the University of Pittsburgh's Medical School, which spawned his nickname “Doc.” Carlson became Pitt’s head men’s basketball coach in 1922, leading that program for 31 seasons. Under his guidance, the Panthers claimed Helms Foundation National Championships in 1928 and 1930. He still holds Pitt basketball coaching records for wins (367), games coached (615) and seasons coached (31). Carlson was inducted into the Helms Athletic Foundation Hall of Fame (1949), the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame (1959 inaugural class) and National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame (2006 inaugural class).

Mike Ditka (Football)
In three varsity football seasons (1958-60), Ditka led Pitt in receiving each year and was also a standout defender and punter. He additionally played baseball and basketball at Pitt and was the intramural wrestling champion. As a senior in 1960, Ditka was a unanimous All-America selection at end. The Chicago Bears’ No. 1 draft pick in 1961, Ditka would play 12 professional seasons, including six with the Bears (1961-66), two with the Philadelphia Eagles (1967-68) and four with the Dallas Cowboys (1969-72). The 1961 NFL Rookie of the Year, he earned All-NFL in each of his first four seasons and was a Pro Bowler his first five years. He was part of Chicago’s 1963 NFL title team and the Cowboys’ 1971 squad that won Super Bowl VI. Ditka worked as an assistant coach at Dallas for nine seasons, spent 11 seasons as Chicago’s head coach (winning Super Bowl XX) and spent three seasons as head coach of the New Orleans Saints. Ditka was elected into the College Football Hall of Fame in 1986. He became the first tight end elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame when he received enshrinement in 1988. Ditka’s No. 89 Pitt jersey is retired.

Tony Dorsett (Football)
Dorsett is the only Heisman Trophy winner in the history of Pitt football, receiving that coveted award as a senior in 1976. He additionally received the Maxwell Award and Walter Camp Award that year. Dorsett earned All-America status in each of his four collegiate seasons (1973-76). He was the first player in NCAA history to reach 6,000 career rushing yards. Including bowl games, he rushed for 6,526 yards. Dorsett’s NCAA-recognized total (not including bowls) of 6,082 yards stood as the Division I record for 22 years (1976-98). He gained 100 or more yards 36 times, including 20 consecutive games. He also holds Notre Dame opponent records for rushing yards against the Irish in a career (754) and game (303). Dorsett capped his fabulous career by leading Pitt to a 12-0 record and the 1976 national championship. Taken by the Dallas Cowboys with the second overall pick of the 1977 NFL Draft, Dorsettrushed for more than 1,000 yards in eight of his first nine seasons—the lone exception being the strike-shortened1982 campaign which, ironically, saw him earn the NFC rushing title. He played in two SuperBowls (helping Dallas to victory in Super Bowl XII) and four Pro Bowls. When he retired from the NFL after 12 seasons (1977-88), he was the league’s secondall-time leading rusher with 12,739 yards. Dorsett became the first player to win the Heisman Trophy, acollegiate national championship and a Super Bowl, and receive Hall of Fame enshrinement on both thecollege and pro levels. Dorsett was elected into both the College Football Hall of Fame and Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1994.Dorsett’s No. 33 Pitt jersey is retired.

Herb Douglas (Track and Field)
Douglas enrolled at the University of Pittsburgh in 1945 and would go on to have milestone achievements as both a track and field athlete and football player. He won four intercollegiate championships in the long jump and one in the 100-yard dash. As a football letterman in 1945, Douglas became just the second African-American to score a touchdown against Notre Dame. In the 1948 London Summer Olympics, he was the bronze medalist in the long jump with a 24-foot, 9-inch leap. Douglas later would be the founder of the Jesse Owens International Trophy Award, honoring the most outstanding amateur or Olympic athlete in the world.

Bill Fralic (Football)
Fralic was a four-year fixture on Pitt’s punishing offensive lines from 1981-84. He was a three-time first team All-American, including unanimous status as a junior and senior. Fralic became the first offensive lineman to twice finish in the top 10 of the Heisman Trophy balloting. He placed sixth in the Heisman voting in 1984 and eighth in 1983. Fralic’s collegiate career led to the creation of the “Pancake,” a statistical barometer for each time Fralic put an opposing defensive lineman on his back. The second player taken overall in the 1985 NFL Draft, Fralic went on to an exceptional pro career from 1985-93, playing eight years with the Atlanta Falcons and his final season with the Detroit Lions. He was selected to the Pro Bowl four times and was a two-time All-Pro. Fralic additionally was named to the NFL 1980s All-Decade Team. Fralic was enshrined in the College Football Hall of Fame in 1998.His No. 79 Pitt jersey is retired.

Marshall Goldberg (Posthumous) (Football)
Goldberg achieved status as one of the greatest backs in college football history. During his storied Pitt career from 1936-38, he rushed for 1,957 yards, a school record that stood until Tony Dorsett broke it in 1974. A member of Coach Jock Sutherland’s famed “Dream Backfield,” Goldberg was twice selected a first team All-American, earning that stature as a halfback in 1937 and fullback in 1938. He placed third in the Heisman Trophy balloting in 1937 and was the Heisman runner-up in 1938. Goldberg led Pitt to national championships in 1936 and 1937 with a combined 17-1-2 record. Goldberg spent seven years in the NFL playing halfback for the Chicago Cardinals (1939-42, 1946-48). He was a member of the Cardinals’ 1947 NFL championship team. In 1958, Goldberg was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame. His No. 42 Pitt jersey is retired.

Hugh Green (Football)
Green is widely considered the most devastating defensive college football player ever. From 1977-80, he collected a Pitt-record 49 sacks, a mark that still stands today. Green was a three-time first team All-American. As a senior in 1980 he was the recipient of the prestigious Rotary Lombardi Award, Maxwell Award and Walter Camp Award. Green finished second in the 1980 Heisman Trophy balloting, an unprecedented finish for a purely defensive player. Incredibly, he was named to Pitt’s All-Time Football Team after just his sophomore year. Green’s play helped lead the Panthers to a four-year record of 39-8-1. Pitt had three Top 10 finishes during his career. Green was a first-round selection of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the 1980 NFL Draft. He played 11 professional seasons and was twice selected to the Pro Bowl. He was enshrined in the College Football Hall of Fame in 1996. Green’s No. 99 Pitt jersey is retired.

Trecia-Kaye Smith (Track and Field)
Smith ranks as one of the most decorated athletes in Pitt history. As a member of the Panthers’ track and field team from 1995-99, she won seven individual NCAA championships. Those include four NCAA indoor titles (three in the long jump and one in the triple jump) and three outdoor championships (two in the long jump and one in the triple jump). Smith was a 15-time All-American and 14-time Big East champion. She also captured 15 Eastern College Athletic Conference (ECAC) championships. In 1997, Smith swept the Big East Most Outstanding Field Performer awards for both the indoor and outdoor seasons. She was a two-time finalist for the prestigious Honda Award and was named to the U.S. Track and Field and Cross Country Coaches Association Silver Anniversary Team. Smith represented her native Jamaica at the 2004 Athens Summer Olympics.

Roger Kingdom (Track and Field)
At Pitt from 1981-84, Kingdom would become the Panthers’ most accomplished athlete on the international stage. He was a two-time Olympic gold medalist (1984 and 1988). Kingdom attended Pitt on a football scholarship and played two seasons while also excelling on the school’s track team. He won the 1983 NCAA indoor and outdoor national championships in the 110-meter hurdles, and the 1984 NCAA indoor title in the 55-meter hurdles. Kingdom is a former world and American record holder and one of only two runners ever to win consecutive Olympic titles (Los Angeles and Seoul) in the 110-meter hurdles. He is a five-time United States outdoor champion and won gold medals at the Pan American Games, World Cup, World University Games and Goodwill Games. He set a world record of 12.92 seconds in the 110-meter hurdles in Zurich, Switzerland in 1989, a mark that stood until 1993. Kingdom was named the 1989 USA Track and Field Athlete of the Year, the 1989 Jesse Owens International Amateur Athlete of the Year and Track and Field News1989 Athlete of the Year. He was inducted into the USA Track and Field Hall of Fame in 2005. He has also been inducted into the USTAF Georgia Hall of Fame (2011), Georgia Sports Hall of Fame (2002) and Western Chapter of the Pennsylvania Sports Hall of Fame (2002).

 

[Chris Peak]

Billy Knight (Basketball)
In Knight’s three varsity seasons (1971-74), he scored 1,731 points and had a career scoring average of 22.2 points per game. He is one of only three players in school history to average at least 20 points per game in three different seasons. Knight was a consensus All-America selection as a senior, leading Pitt to unprecedented heights. Behind Knight’s play, the 1973-74 Panthers went 25-4—at the time the winningest campaign in program history—and reeled off a school-record 22 consecutive victories. Pitt went on to advance to the 1974 NCAA Tournament’s East Regional Final, the farthest any Pitt team had advanced in the tournament. Knight went on to play 11 seasons (1974-85) in the ABA and NBA, and was selected to the all-star game in both leagues. He had three professional seasons in which he averaged more than 20 points per contest. Knight’s No. 34 Pitt basketball jersey is retired.

Dan Marino (Football)
Marino broke nearly every major school passing record while at Pitt from 1979-82, including career marks for passing yards (8,597) and completions (693). Thirty-six years following his final collegiate season, he still holds Pitt records for touchdown passes in a career (79) and season (37). Marino’s reputation for delivering in the clutch began at Pitt when he threw a last-minute 33-yard touchdown pass to tight end John Brown to give the Panthers a 24-20 victory over Georgia in the 1982 Sugar Bowl. Marino led Pitt to four consecutive Top 10 finishes, including a pair of No. 2 rankings. The Panthers were 29-5 in games Marino started at quarterback. He was named a 1981 All-American and finished fourth in the Heisman Trophy balloting that year. A first-round draft pick of the Miami Dolphins in 1983, Marino went on to gain recognition as one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history with a record-breaking 17-year career. In his pro debut season, Marino earned NFL Rookie of the Year. In 1984 he became the first 5,000-yard passer in league history and would record 13 total seasons with 3,000 passing yards. Upon his 1999 retirement, he held an incredible 25 NFL regular-season records and was the career leader in passing attempts (8,358), completions (4,967), yardage (61,361) and touchdowns (420). Marino also was one of the NFL’s winningest quarterbacks, earning 147 regular-season victories. He was a nine-time Pro Bowler and eight-time All-Pro. Marino was elected into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2002 and the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2005. His No. 13 Pitt jersey is retired.

Lisa Shirk (Gymnastics)
Shirk is the only female gymnast in Pitt history to win an NCAA championship. She accomplished the feat on the uneven bars in 1982. During her collegiate career from 1980-84, Shirk earned five total All-America citations. She was a three-time All-American in 1981 alone, finishing as the national runner-up in the all-around and floor exercise, while placing fourth on the uneven bars. On the strength of Shirk’s outstanding performances, the Panthers finished 11th in the nation in 1981. She would cap her collegiate career as a floor exercise All-American in 1984 with an eighth-place finish. In addition to her national acclaim, Shirk was also a perennial All-East honoree.

Charles Smith (Basketball)
Charles Smith established himself as one of the most gifted—and prolific—big men in Pitt basketball history. From 1984-88, he scored 2,045 points and remains, three decades later, the Panthers’ all-time leading scorer. Smith was equally impactful on the defensive end and is Pitt’s career blocks leader with 346. He signaled his arrival on the collegiate level by earning the Big East Rookie of the Year honor in 1985. Smith would conclude his career by being named the 1988 Big East Player of the Year and a first team All-American. His time at Pitt coincided with the program’s reemergence on the national scene. He led the Panthers to a Big East co-championship in 1987 and then an outright title in 1988. Pitt was a fixture in the Top 25 over those two seasons, earning lofty seeds in the NCAA Tournament. Smith was a member of the 1988 Olympic basketball team that captured a bronze medal in Seoul. He also played on the 1986 United States team that brought home the World Championship gold medal. Smith was the third overall pick in the 1988 NBA Draft and spent 10 seasons in the league. Smith’s No. 32 Pitt jersey is retired.

Kathy Stetler (Swimming)
Stetler achieved unprecedented heights as a swimmer at Pitt in the latter 1970s. Her lengthy list of achievements included two historic firsts: she was the first female national champion in Pitt history and became the Panthers’ first female four-year All-American. In 1978, Stetler captured a national title in the 50-yard butterfly, an event in which she earned All-America honors in each of her four seasons with the Panthers. From 1976-79, Stetler earned 18 total All-America citations, including 13 individual honors and five as a member of relay teams. The Pitt women’s swimming and diving program also accumulated a dual-meet record of 31-3 during Stetler’s remarkable four-year career, highlighted by four victories over West Virginia and three wins against Penn State.

John Bain “Jock” Sutherland (Posthumous) (Athlete: Football; Coach: Football)
Sutherland was an All-America guard for the Panthers during a brilliant four-year playing career under Glenn “Pop” Warner, and later became a Hall of Fame coach whose dominating teams were knighted as national champions five times (1929, 1931, 1934, 1936 and 1937). During his four years as a player (1914-17), Sutherland tasted defeat only once. Pitt went undefeated his final three seasons. The Panthers were recognized as national champs in 1915 and 1916. Sutherland was head football coach at Pitt from 1924-38. In those 15 seasons, the Panthers compiled a 111-20-12 mark. Four times they were invited to the Rose Bowl and five times they were recognized as national champions. Under Sutherland’s command, Pitt shut out its opponents 79 times. Sutherland has been enshrined in the College Football Hall of Fame as both a player and coach.

John Woodruff (Posthumous) (Track and Field)
Woodruff was the first Pitt athlete to earn Olympic gold and did so at the famed 1936 Berlin Summer Olympics. At those ’36 Games, he was the first of four African-Americans to win a gold medal in track and field. Woodruff claimed his gold medal in the 800-meter run, winning a race that is considered one of the most dramatic in Olympic history. Following his Olympic triumph, Woodruff never lost another race. He won the Amateur Athletic Union 800-meter title in 1937. Woodruff also won three consecutive NCAA 880-yard titles from 1937-39. In 1940, he set the United States record of 1:48.6 at the Compton Invitational. Woodruff’s decorated legacy also includes gold medals at the historic Penn Relays.

 

[Panther Holla]

HAIL! All excellent choices for the inaugural class.

 

[PittAU]

Hail to Pitt!

Hail to the Hall!

That's a pretty darn good list.

It's a shame that Mr. Woodruff didn't seem to get as much attention, in Pittsburgh or nationally or from Pitt, before his death. He should really be trumpeted more for his achievements.

Also, Mr. Douglas is a fine gentleman. He and Mr. Woodruff helped pave the way.

 

[CrazyPaco]

They have Doc Carlson listed as an athlete for football, basketball, and baseball, but Jock Sutherland and Mike Ditka are only listed for football. They mention Mike's other sports in his bio. But they ignore Jock's. He lettered in wrestling and captained the track & field team.

Definitely should have had Charlie Hyatt who is in Naismith. I don't know about leaving all members of the Perry family out of this. They're all in the National Wrestling Hall. Other than these quibblers, solid first class. Smaller than I expected. There's a lot of people to add for the next class. But they need to fix Jock's bio to recognize his other sports.

 

[Jpripper88]

Awesome! Looking forward to that weekend and celebrating!

 

[PeetWeet1]

They have Doc Carlson listed as an athlete for football, basketball, and baseball, but Jock Sutherland and Mike Ditka are only listed for football. They mention Mike's other sports in his bio. But they ignore Jock's. He lettered in wrestling and captained the track & field team.

Definitely should have had Charlie Hyatt who is in Naismith. I don't know about leaving all members of the Perry family out of this. They're all in the National Wrestling Hall. Other than these quibblers, solid first class. Smaller than I expected. There's a lot of people to add for the next class. But they need to fix Jock's bio to recognize his other sports.

Was Santoro eligible? I am surprised no wrestlers were more accomplished than two of the women.

 

[Jpripper88]

Was Santoro eligible? I am surprised no wrestlers were more accomplished than two of the women.

I'm not sure which women you would remove. Frankly, as Pitt athletes they are more successful than Knight, Marino, or Smith.

 

[PeetWeet1]

I'm not sure which women you would remove. Frankly, as Pitt athletes they are more successful than Knight, Marino, or Smith.

Pretty easy to figure out which two.

One could argue against the three you list. I do think that Knight and Smith being first team All-American trumps a single NCAA event title.

Marino is more complicated. No titles. Didn’t see any big time national awards. However, he may be the most famous Pitt athlete.

 

[Jpripper88]

Pretty easy to figure out which two.

One could argue against the three you list. I do think that Knight and Smith being first team All-American trumps a single NCAA event title.

Marino is more complicated. No titles. Didn’t see any big time national awards. However, he may be the most famous Pitt athlete.

I don't think it is. You have one who was the first female national champion in Pitt history and became the Panthers’ first female four-year All-American and another who won seven individual NCAA championships and a 15-time All-American and 14-time Big East champion. Both accomplished more than any of those 3 male athletes at Pitt.

It is also funny you make the argument in favor of Santoro or other wrestlers. Santoro, for example, is clearly less accomplished than both. He isn't even close.

 

[HailtoPitt]

The first class doesn't need to include everyone who had a great athletic career at Pitt. They need some marquee names for future classes.

 

[TempleBAPittMPA]

They have Doc Carlson listed as an athlete for football, basketball, and baseball, but Jock Sutherland and Mike Ditka are only listed for football. They mention Mike's other sports in his bio. But they ignore Jock's. He lettered in wrestling and captained the track & field team.

Definitely should have had Charlie Hyatt who is in Naismith. I don't know about leaving all members of the Perry family out of this. They're all in the National Wrestling Hall. Other than these quibblers, solid first class. Smaller than I expected. There's a lot of people to add for the next class. But they need to fix Jock's bio to recognize his other sports.

Wasn't Jock also on the dental school faculty while he was the football coach? That seems significant enough to me to include in his bio as well.

 

[CrazyPaco]

Was Santoro eligible? I am surprised no wrestlers were more accomplished than two of the women.

I think everyone was eligible. I expect Pat to be inducted eventually. But seeing as he was more recent...I expected Hugh and/or Ed Peery to be included. They were both 3X national champs. I'm not sure why they didn't make the inaugural class, other than they just had to make a cut line somewhere and they probably wanted a balance of men/women or something like that. They should be in the next one.

The Peerys and Charlie Hyatt are the biggest snubs, IMO.

 

[CrazyPaco]

Wasn't Jock also on the dental school faculty while he was the football coach? That seems significant enough to me to include in his bio as well.

He absolutely was.

 

[PeetWeet1]

I don't think it is. You have one who was the first female national champion in Pitt history and became the Panthers’ first female four-year All-American and another who won seven individual NCAA championships and a 15-time All-American and 14-time Big East champion. Both accomplished more than any of those 3 male athletes at Pitt.

It is also funny you make the argument in favor of Santoro or other wrestlers. Santoro, for example, is clearly less accomplished than both. He isn't even close.

The swimmer and the gymnast don’t come close to Santoro (who may not be eligible, yet). The best a wrestler can do is win a national title. He did that twice. Equivalent would be an all-around title or several swimming titles.

 

[HOF Coach]

They have Doc Carlson listed as an athlete for football, basketball, and baseball, but Jock Sutherland and Mike Ditka are only listed for football. They mention Mike's other sports in his bio. But they ignore Jock's. He lettered in wrestling and captained the track & field team.

Definitely should have had Charlie Hyatt who is in Naismith. I don't know about leaving all members of the Perry family out of this. They're all in the National Wrestling Hall. Other than these quibblers, solid first class. Smaller than I expected. There's a lot of people to add for the next class. But they need to fix Jock's bio to recognize his other sports.

Agreed. I am also sorry to see that Don Hennon (Basketball) was not included in this inaugural class.

But, all in all, a job well done...and long overdue!

 

[paulbl99]

Good list..

Almost as amazing is who’s remaining to come on board later..

H2P

 

[TIGER-PAUL]

Was Santoro eligible? I am surprised no wrestlers were more accomplished than two of the women.

Candidates had to be five years removed from their final year of collegiate competition and not currently playing professional sports.

 

[Jpripper88]

The swimmer and the gymnast don’t come close to Santoro (who may not be eligible, yet). The best a wrestler can do is win a national title. He did that twice. Equivalent would be an all-around title or several swimming titles.

Santoro is eligible, but not even the most accomplished Pitt wrestler. You can make a case against Shirk, but of course she stands alone in her sport at Pitt. Santoro does not.

 

[PeetWeet1]

Santoro is eligible, but not even the most accomplished Pitt wrestler. You can make a case against Shirk, but of course she stands alone in her sport at Pitt. Santoro does not.

Then she should be behind Santoro AND the even more accomplished wrestlers.

 

[Jpripper88]

Then she should be behind Santoro AND the even more accomplished wrestlers.

I disagree (and obviously the committee does, too) because it is very prestigious being the first and THE BEST in their sport at Pitt.

I just think it is very funny you disparage athletes (but only women, which is interesting...) in sports with individual categories and honors and then promote wrestlers as more accomplished and a different case than athletes with individual categories and honors...

 

[PeetWeet1]

I disagree (and obviously the committee does, too) because it is very prestigious being the first and THE BEST in their sport at Pitt.

I just think it is very funny you disparage athletes (but only women, which is interesting...) in sports with individual categories and honors and then promote wrestlers as more accomplished and a different case than athletes with individual categories and honors...

Not at all fair. I did not disparage them in any way. They are national champions. Therefore, a case can be made they are more accomplished than any modern basketball players. A case could be made they are more accomplished they are more accomplished than any modern football player with the exception of Dorsett. However, comparing individual sports with the high profile team sports create apples to oranges debates.

What is comparable are wrestlers to gymnasts and swimmers. Santoro’s NCAA places of 6, 2, 1 and 1 is amazing. Unlike swimmers and gymnasts, he has one chance at a title per year. The 3x champions are even more impressive.

 

[Jpripper88]

Not at all fair. I did not disparage them in any way. They are national champions. Therefore, a case can be made they are more accomplished than any modern basketball players. A case could be made they are more accomplished they are more accomplished than any modern football player with the exception of Dorsett. However, comparing individual sports with the high profile team sports create apples to oranges debates.

What is comparable are wrestlers to gymnasts and swimmers. Santoro’s NCAA places of 6, 2, 1 and 1 is amazing. Unlike swimmers and gymnasts, he has one chance at a title per year. The 3x champions are even more impressive.

No, you did. While sticking up for Knight and Smith you said: "being first team All-American trumps a single NCAA event title." That of course disregarded their AA status. Then you argued how much better of an accomplishment it was that a male wrestler won an NCAA event National Championship. BTW, wrestlers can do exactly like swimmers and compete at multiple weight classes. However, they generally choose and specialize, just like many swimmers and many gymnasts, even if they compete in some other events.

Shirk is the first and ONLY in her sport. Santoro wasn't close to the first and not remotely the only. Most would say he clearly wasn't the best, either. Stetler was the first and most decorated far and away. There is something special about athletes who accomplished FIRSTS.

I say all this while not caring much at all for any of the non-revenue sports, be it men's or women's, but to blatantly disregard the accomplishments of these women (while grandstanding for male athletes in comparable individual sports) is pretty noticeable. Hopefully the agenda is just being a wrestling junkie.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Was Santoro eligible? I am surprised no wrestlers were more accomplished than two of the women.

come on. These days?? As bad as Pitt's women sports has been, they are going to be acknowledged in a Hall of Fame.

 

[PeetWeet1]

No, you did. While sticking up for Knight and Smith you said: "being first team All-American trumps a single NCAA event title." That of course disregarded their AA status. Then you argued how much better of an accomplishment it was that a male wrestler won an NCAA event National Championship. BTW, wrestlers can do exactly like swimmers and compete at multiple weight classes. However, they generally choose and specialize, just like many swimmers and many gymnasts, even if they compete in some other events.

Shirk is the first and ONLY in her sport. Santoro wasn't close to the first and not remotely the only. Most would say he clearly wasn't the best, either. Stetler was the first and most decorated far and away. There is something special about athletes who accomplished FIRSTS.

I say all this while not caring much at all for any of the non-revenue sports, be it men's or women's, but to blatantly disregard the accomplishments of these women (while grandstanding for male athletes in comparable individual sports) is pretty noticeable. Hopefully the agenda is just being a wrestling junkie.

Judging other candidates as more worthy of first class HOF induction isn’t disregarding anything. It is valuing being the first at Pitt or best at Pitt as less important than national excellence for this great honor.

 

[Jpripper88]

Judging other candidates as more worthy of first class HOF induction isn’t disregarding anything. It is valuing being the first at Pitt or best at Pitt as less important than national excellence for this great honor.

Except they have national excellence on the same level or better and the exact accomplishments you belittled for the women, you championed for different men.

 

[PeetWeet1]

Except they have national excellence on the same level or better and the exact accomplishments you belittled for the women, you championed for different men.

No, they didn’t.
Apples to apples, the Perry’s and Santoro were more accomplished.
3 titles and three chances is better than in title in at least 20 chances. 2 title in four chances isn’t better than 1 title in at least 20 chances. No, you cannot win title last in multiple weight classes in the same year.

Apples to oranges, Knight and Charles Smith were first team team all Americans and are house hold names. Dan Marino re-wrote the NFL record book.

If you think, as owt does, that both sexes should be tepresented, fine. All three women did amazing things. It is just that two of them weren’t as accomplished as three wrestlers who didn’t make it and Kaye who did.

When I say fine, I mean it. I am thrilled my 12 year old daughter - and tree hugging feminist - has a chance to box. Even better, at her gym fighters are respected for their heart and dedication, not if they are a man or a women. Just be honest and say you want to give them a little bump to inspire the current generation of girls. Just don’t play the sexist card because I respect them enough to include them in a GOAT debate on their own merits.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

No, they didn’t.
Apples to apples, the Perry’s and Santoro were more accomplished.
3 titles and three chances is better than in title in at least 20 chances. 2 title in four chances isn’t better than 1 title in at least 20 chances. No, you cannot win title last in multiple weight classes in the same year.

Apples to oranges, Knight and Charles Smith were first team team all Americans and are house hold names. Dan Marino re-wrote the NFL record book.

If you think, as owt does, that both sexes should be tepresented, fine. All three women did amazing things. It is just that two of them weren’t as accomplished as three wrestlers who didn’t make it and Kaye who did.

When I say fine, I mean it. I am thrilled my 12 year old daughter - and tree hugging feminist - has a chance to box. Even better, at her gym fighters are respected for their heart and dedication, not if they are a man or a women. Just be honest and say you want to give them a little bump to inspire the current generation of girls. Just don’t play the sexist card because I respect them enough to include them in a GOAT debate on their own merits.

I mean, in these times, it just is not acceptable to exclude women from an Athletic Hall of Fame, just because they aren't as popular or have as household names. Where I think Pitt will struggle at this, is their women's sports programs have been pretty bad throughout its history, and they are going to have to reach to find deserving candidates.

 

[Ski11585]

No, they didn’t.
Apples to apples, the Perry’s and Santoro were more accomplished.
3 titles and three chances is better than in title in at least 20 chances. 2 title in four chances isn’t better than 1 title in at least 20 chances. No, you cannot win title last in multiple weight classes in the same year.

Apples to oranges, Knight and Charles Smith were first team team all Americans and are house hold names. Dan Marino re-wrote the NFL record book.

If you think, as owt does, that both sexes should be tepresented, fine. All three women did amazing things. It is just that two of them weren’t as accomplished as three wrestlers who didn’t make it and Kaye who did.

When I say fine, I mean it. I am thrilled my 12 year old daughter - and tree hugging feminist - has a chance to box. Even better, at her gym fighters are respected for their heart and dedication, not if they are a man or a women. Just be honest and say you want to give them a little bump to inspire the current generation of girls. Just don’t play the sexist card because I respect them enough to include them in a GOAT debate on their own merits.

Marino's NFL success is irrelevant when talking about a college hall of fame.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Marino's NFL success is irrelevant when talking about a college hall of fame.

I think some of that though has to factor in. Not to mention Pitt was like 42-6 when he was the starting QB.

 

[Jpripper88]

No, they didn’t.
Apples to apples, the Perry’s and Santoro were more accomplished.
3 titles and three chances is better than in title in at least 20 chances. 2 title in four chances isn’t better than 1 title in at least 20 chances. No, you cannot win title last in multiple weight classes in the same year.

Apples to oranges, Knight and Charles Smith were first team team all Americans and are house hold names. Dan Marino re-wrote the NFL record book.

If you think, as owt does, that both sexes should be tepresented, fine. All three women did amazing things. It is just that two of them weren’t as accomplished as three wrestlers who didn’t make it and Kaye who did.

When I say fine, I mean it. I am thrilled my 12 year old daughter - and tree hugging feminist - has a chance to box. Even better, at her gym fighters are respected for their heart and dedication, not if they are a man or a women. Just be honest and say you want to give them a little bump to inspire the current generation of girls. Just don’t play the sexist card because I respect them enough to include them in a GOAT debate on their own merits.

Except they have the national accolades. You are wrong. Shirk is the ONLY in her sport. Stelter had two monumental firsts for all of Pitt athletics, not just her sport. Santoro is one in a line and not the best or the first. The argument has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with accomplishment and they accomplished more. You are obviously a wrestling fan and discount the other achievements and have a clear bias against female athletes. It is what it is.

I'm glad Pitt and the committee doesn't agree with you and I'm sure we won't be seeing you that weekend.

 

[Jpripper88]

Marino's NFL success is irrelevant when talking about a college hall of fame.

I think they do include it in the evaluation, but obviously it should take a clear backseat to Pitt accomplishments.

 

[PeetWeet1]

Except they have the national accolades. You are wrong. Shirk is the ONLY in her sport. Stelter had two monumental firsts for all of Pitt athletics, not just her sport. Santoro is one in a line and not the best or the first. The argument has nothing to do with sex. It has to do with accomplishment and they accomplished more. You are obviously a wrestling fan and discount the other achievements and have a clear bias against female athletes. It is what it is.

I'm glad Pitt and the committee doesn't agree with you and I'm sure we won't be seeing you that weekend.

What ONLY did they accomplish? What FIRST did they accomplish? Only at Pitt or first at Pitt shouldn’t count for much, IMO. Santoro and the Peerys are more accomplished.

To be clear, I think debates about these things are fun. No two people will agree on the criteria, much less the final lists. I prefer to be overly selective and like your idea of one per sport. Could get the first class down to a Mount Rushmore four - see below for mine.

Hugh Peery
Dorsett
Woodruff
Kaye Smith

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

I think they do include it in the evaluation, but obviously it should take a clear backseat to Pitt accomplishments.

I don't think you can ignore things like Marino or Martin's NFL career and HOF induction. Fitz's dominance both here and the NFL. Aaron Donald. Of course Fitz and Donald were the best at their position in college too during their time.

 

[Jpripper88]

What ONLY did they accomplish? What FIRST did they accomplish? Only at Pitt or first at Pitt shouldn’t count for much, IMO. Santoro and the Peerys are more accomplished.

To be clear, I think debates about these things are fun. No two people will agree on the criteria, much less the final lists. I prefer to be overly selective and like your idea of one per sport. Could get the first class down to a Mount Rushmore four - see below for mine.

Hugh Peery
Dorsett
Woodruff
Kaye Smith

Shirk is the only National Champion gymnast at Pitt and that is true 30 years later. That is astounding. Stelter was the first female National Champion and 4 time AA at Pitt. This is a Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame. Being groundbreaking athletes at Pitt should be the biggest criteria. If Santoro was the only wrestler to win a NC at Pitt, that would certainly hold a lot more weight. He isn't. He isn't the most decorated wrestler.

I do not have the idea of one per sport. I just do not think Santoro is close to next on the list in his sport or overall, despite his great accomplishments. I do think he should eventually be honored, though.

I don't think you can ignore things like Marino or Martin's NFL career and HOF induction. Fitz's dominance both here and the NFL. Aaron Donald. Of course Fitz and Donald were the best at their position in college too during their time.

I think the criteria should be overwhelmingly based on Pitt contributions, then extra credit given to athletes who have been exceptional pros AND/OR big supporters of Pitt Athletics after their careers. Some of the initial class qualifies for one or both of those. Certain sports don't have the same "pro" opportunities (especially years ago) and athletes shouldn't be discounted or overly benefited for that IMO.

I love Fitz and he may be my favorite Pitt football player, but the fact he and Shady only spent 2 years at Pitt greatly reduces their candidacy IMO.

 

[Ky Vol]

Press release:

University of PittsburghDirector of Athletics Heather Lyke announced today the inaugural 16-member class of the Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame.

The group is composed of Olympians, national champions, Super Bowl winners, world-record setters and legendary figures whose names and achievements resonate well beyond Pitt. There are 12 living honorees and four posthumous inductees.

“It is with tremendous pride that we present the inaugural class of the Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame,” Lyke said. “These individuals represent Pitt’s Gold Standard and we are greatly looking forward to honoring them at our official induction ceremony in September.

“I love to remind people that Pitt could have its own wing in so many different halls of fame. Our athletic history is that rich and accomplished. I certainly tasked the selection committee with a huge challenge in trying to pare down 150 years of history for this inaugural class. In looking at our many deserving candidates, it is obvious that this 2018 group will be the first of many legendary Hall of Fame classes at Pitt. We’re thrilled to celebrate their achievements with a fitting showcase.”

Listed in alphabetical order, these are the members of the inaugural Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame class and their primary sport of distinction.

• Henry Clifford "Doc" Carlson (Athlete: Football, Basketball, Baseball; Coach: Basketball)
• Mike Ditka (Football)
• Tony Dorsett (Football)
• Herb Douglas (Track and Field)
• Bill Fralic (Football)
• Marshall Goldberg (Football)
• Hugh Green (Football)
• Trecia-Kaye Smith (Track and Field)
• Roger Kingdom (Track and Field)
• Billy Knight (Basketball)
• Dan Marino (Football)
• Lisa Shirk (Gymnastics)
• Charles Smith (Basketball)
• Kathy Stetler (Swimming)
• John Bain “Jock” Sutherland (Athlete: Football; Coach: Football)
• John Woodruff (Track and Field)

Nominations for the Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame were solicited from the general public in January and accepted through March 31. Candidates had to be five years removed from their final year of collegiate competition and not currently be playing professional sports. An 18-member selection committee then evaluated the candidate pool and provided a recommendation on the inaugural class to the director of athletics.

The inaugural class will receive induction at the Pitt Hall of Fame Dinner on Friday, Sept. 7, at the Petersen Events Center. On Saturday, Sept. 8, the inductees will be introduced at Heinz Field when the Panthers host historic rival Penn State. For Hall of Fame Dinner ticket information and event updates, go to www.pittsburghpanthers.com/HallofFame. For additional questions, please contact Executive Director for Strategic Initiatives and Engagement Kelly Brennan via email (events@athletics.pitt.edu) or phone (412-225-3081).

No coaches?

 

[Chris Peak]

Press release:

University of PittsburghDirector of Athletics Heather Lyke announced today the inaugural 16-member class of the Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame.

The group is composed of Olympians, national champions, Super Bowl winners, world-record setters and legendary figures whose names and achievements resonate well beyond Pitt. There are 12 living honorees and four posthumous inductees.

“It is with tremendous pride that we present the inaugural class of the Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame,” Lyke said. “These individuals represent Pitt’s Gold Standard and we are greatly looking forward to honoring them at our official induction ceremony in September.

“I love to remind people that Pitt could have its own wing in so many different halls of fame. Our athletic history is that rich and accomplished. I certainly tasked the selection committee with a huge challenge in trying to pare down 150 years of history for this inaugural class. In looking at our many deserving candidates, it is obvious that this 2018 group will be the first of many legendary Hall of Fame classes at Pitt. We’re thrilled to celebrate their achievements with a fitting showcase.”

Listed in alphabetical order, these are the members of the inaugural Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame class and their primary sport of distinction.

• Henry Clifford "Doc" Carlson (Athlete: Football, Basketball, Baseball; Coach: Basketball)
• Mike Ditka (Football)
• Tony Dorsett (Football)
• Herb Douglas (Track and Field)
• Bill Fralic (Football)
• Marshall Goldberg (Football)
• Hugh Green (Football)
• Trecia-Kaye Smith (Track and Field)
• Roger Kingdom (Track and Field)
• Billy Knight (Basketball)
• Dan Marino (Football)
• Lisa Shirk (Gymnastics)
• Charles Smith (Basketball)
• Kathy Stetler (Swimming)
• John Bain “Jock” Sutherland (Athlete: Football; Coach: Football)
• John Woodruff (Track and Field)

Nominations for the Pitt Athletics Hall of Fame were solicited from the general public in January and accepted through March 31. Candidates had to be five years removed from their final year of collegiate competition and not currently be playing professional sports. An 18-member selection committee then evaluated the candidate pool and provided a recommendation on the inaugural class to the director of athletics.

The inaugural class will receive induction at the Pitt Hall of Fame Dinner on Friday, Sept. 7, at the Petersen Events Center. On Saturday, Sept. 8, the inductees will be introduced at Heinz Field when the Panthers host historic rival Penn State. For Hall of Fame Dinner ticket information and event updates, go to www.pittsburghpanthers.com/HallofFame. For additional questions, please contact Executive Director for Strategic Initiatives and Engagement Kelly Brennan via email (events@athletics.pitt.edu) or phone (412-225-3081).

No coaches?

Carlson and Sutherland.

 

[recruitsreadtheseboards]

Carlson and Sutherland.

Other than those two. No coaches?

 

[pittmeister]

I agree with list, however I think they overlooked Bobby Grier.

Next class should include:

Larry Fitzgerald
Antonio Bryant
Aaron Donald