No this biggest dumb move was throwing to DHB in the field of play with no timeouts...you didn’t need to get closer you were already in field goal range.
Screw Goodell the fix was in
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Looked to me he survived the ground and if anything fumbled it reaching for the plane. Was a huge stretch interpreting the play and rule for that long a time and especially to overturn the on field call.
nope, a receiver that is going to the ground in the process of making a catch is not in possession of the football until he completes going to the ground. It doesn't matter where it happens, it is not a catch until he has basically stopped moving and has maintained possession throughout.
I'd would've played for the win. Why go into OT when Gronkowski was impossible for the Steelers to stop, given the manner by which they were defending him in that final NE drive.
I'll bet that if you'd ask Butler now, he still wouldn't have a clue re: how to cover Gronkowski. And while it may be difficult, it's not impossible, since some teams have success against him.
Wasn't his body on the ground before he extended his arms? If so, wouldn't that make it a completed pass?
That one seems clearer,
This call, caught with possession, goes to the ground. Get up and lounges across the goal line- still having full possession.
And he goes to the ground after crossing the plane- he bobbled it.
This call, caught with possession, goes to the ground. Get up and lounges across the goal line- still having full possession.
And he goes to the ground after crossing the plane- he bobbled it.
It's an asinine rule that requires the application of different criteria to determine possession based upon arbitrary circumstances.
That it happened to benefit the Patriots after all the other suspicious crap they have benefited from over the last decade plus is just salt in the wound.
Not to mention he couldn’t cover Gronk even remotely. He got beat three times in a row on the drive they took the lead. Don’t care what defense you’re in if you see Gronk running by you pretty sure you should stick with him. How many catches in the second half were made by anyone else?
Then the air , or James’s body hitting the ground , caused the ball to not be maintained thru the end of the play
No catch.
A few thoughts I have on the game, sorry if they have already been brought up. Don't have time to read through the full thread.
1) The catch rule is stupid. I thought it was dumb when Polamalu's INT in 2005 was ruled incomplete, I definitely thought it was ludicrous when Megatron and Dez's catches were ruled incomplete, and I most certainly think it's idiotic tonight. I also don't know how you overturn it when there is no indisputable evidence.
2) Tell me how NE only has 2 penalties for 4 yards with the most flag-happy crew in the league calling the game.
3) I almost forgot in all my rage that Eli Rogers was held in the endzone on the last play of the game. Believe it or not, this was not called.
4) If there is anything to take out of this game, it's that we can compete with these guys, even when we literally have everything going against us. I feel confident we'd win in a rematch with Haden and Brown healthy.
1) The catch rule is stupid. I thought it was dumb when Polamalu's INT in 2005 was ruled incomplete, I definitely thought it was ludicrous when Megatron and Dez's catches were ruled incomplete, and I most certainly think it's idiotic tonight. I also don't know how you overturn it when there is no indisputable evidence.
2) Tell me how NE only has 2 penalties for 4 yards with the most flag-happy crew in the league calling the game.
3) I almost forgot in all my rage that Eli Rogers was held in the endzone on the last play of the game. Believe it or not, this was not called.
4) If there is anything to take out of this game, it's that we can compete with these guys, even when we literally have everything going against us. I feel confident we'd win in a rematch with Haden and Brown healthy.
No, it wouldn't be. Because when you go to the ground while making a catch you have to maintain possession all the way through the play. It doesn't matter if a defender touches you down or tackles you or falls on top of you. If you go to the ground while making a catch you have to maintain possession all the way through.
That was my thought as well. That's a penalty that gets called nearly 100% of the time. If Stiller fans are going to bitch, bitch about the refs swallowing their whistle on the defender pulling on Rogers jersey as he was trying to catch the ball.
NE was plenty banged up today.
Tomlin won’t beat NE in the playoffs. Hopefully we will catch a break and somebody else figures them out for 60 minutes and takes them out for us. Because Tomlin won’t.
I'm really getting sick of the league's act. They are so inconsistent on everything, and not just the catch rule. You'll have a game like the OAK-KC Thursday Night game where there are 5-6 last plays because of make-up calls but then they'll "let the players play" after they completely alter the playoff picture.
Wait the call is correct? How is it ok when a ball is thrown to a receiver who cradles it and the ball is touching the ground? The call was B*******t James caught the ball when he reached he still had both hands on the ball as he reached the goal line. The NFL has become a garbage league micromanaging many calls.
Side note: Dion Lewis is the enemy now. Don’t care that he’s a Pitt alum, I’ll hope he fumbles/fails any which way any time if it could benefit the Steelers.
Sure enough though when we need it not to happen, he gets the GW TD. And the Penn State guy gets jobbed... sigh.
Why couldn’t we get some sort of luck when Dion was on our side in ‘09? Whatever.
Sure enough though when we need it not to happen, he gets the GW TD. And the Penn State guy gets jobbed... sigh.
Why couldn’t we get some sort of luck when Dion was on our side in ‘09? Whatever.
NFL VP of Officiating Summary of the call. I have to say that after seeing the replay a few more times that I agree with overturning the call. You can clearly see one hand is above the ball and the other hand has at least 3 fingers on his right hand on the side of the ball. At most, he has his pinky finger under the ball when it hit the ground, that isn't a catch.
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I unfortunately agree with you but at some point you have to question what possessing all the way through means. They obviously view it as all the way to the ground regardless of what the player did between catching it and hitting the ground. What is considered ‘making a football play’?
I thought this one was more of a catch than Dez Bryant. JAMES caught the ball with his arms extended, brought the ball into his chest and then purposely extended his arms out again with the ball to reach the goaline. Bringing it into your chest and then purposely extending back out while fully in control the whole time is for all intents and purposes making a football play.
Hey, I agree that it "should" have been a catch. But that isn't what the rule says. My thought on it is that if you have possession of the ball and you have broken the plane of the goal line the play should be over and nothing else should matter. But the NFL does not agree with me. And they haven't given me authority to rewrite the rule book yet.
Making a football play does not matter if the player is going to the ground as a result of making the catch. Making a football play only only determines when a receiver becomes a runner. James is never upright and is going to the ground, so he is never considered to be a runner.
Dumbest rule in all of football. Still not sure anything is indisputable in the reply. Basically a bored and overzealous reply official.
Steelers will win in New England. They're the better team and will hopefully get Brown and Haden back.
Steelers will win in New England. They're the better team and will hopefully get Brown and Haden back.
The game was lost the possession before the Pats TD when even Tony Romo stated the Steelers needed to be aggressive and go for the win. A run and two passes later it's a three and out and New England marches down the field and scores.
You have to be aggressive and stay on the gas against the Patriots because the Steelers now have nobody who can cover gronk and it was like a big kid taking candy from a baby.
You got to love how he says "Roethlisberger completes the pass to James" when explaining why he didn't complete the pass.
Injuries are part of the game, and it sucks.
But what Gronk did against the Steelers is what Brown has done against so many this year. Utter domination with the game in question.
Does anyone think had the game been in Foxboro or had that been Brady to Gronk the call would have been the same? I would love to see that happen in the AFC champ game, and then listen to the NFL justify the TD because I think they would.
This is a tough loss.
However, the biggest reason the Steelers lost was their staff. Ben passed all over the Pats in the 1st half and in the 2nd half, Haley go conservative. When the Steelers had a 1st and 20, they should have gone no huddle and attack the Pats. Instead,we go conservative and it cost us.
The biggest difference in the teams is the staff.
This is a tough loss.
However, the biggest reason the Steelers lost was their staff. Ben passed all over the Pats in the 1st half and in the 2nd half, Haley go conservative. When the Steelers had a 1st and 20, they should have gone no huddle and attack the Pats. Instead,we go conservative and it cost us.
The biggest difference in the teams is the staff.
I don’t agree. If Brown is in the game, sure fire away with Ben.
Bell is the best player on the field and averaged 5 yards a carry and running the ball gets the clock moving. After they only gained 1, then they correctly called 2 pass plays which did not produce 9 yards. Maybe they should have gone for it on 4th down?
Tough game and my stomach still hurts from that wtf result.
I am not certain of this at all, but I seem to remember a play (maybe against Cin) where Antonio Brown had a play catch or not. It was clear he did not control the ball through his contact with the ground. In that case, it was ruled he had it long enough or made a football play.
I was more worried over that call than this one.
The game was lost when I jinxed us. I told my wife Ju JU should have stayed on the sideline rather than cut back. He would have saved time and not risked a fumble on a hit from behind on the cut back.
THIS is the correct answer
All this other stuff is irrelevant
Call on the field was a touchdown. BY RULE irrefutabable video evidence was required to overturn it. I guess for the pats the rule is any evidence no mater how minor can overturn the rule
He caught in the air in the field of play..he dove for the endzon...not to make the catch!
the video is already irrefutable...you can clearly see that his entire left hand is above the ball, can clearly see his entire palm and at very least 2 fingers and thumb on his right hand is above the ball, and the ball clearly moves when he hits the ground... He has the ball trapped between his right hand and left wrist with nothing under the ball, if the ball didn't move then you could say that he hand control but you can see it spin 180 degrees and bounce around.
Agreed, I don’t understand people disputing this.
As said before it’s a shitty rule but was pretty obviously called correctly.
The game was lost on the ensuing 2 plays.
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