Screw Goodell the fix was in
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I just saw it another 6 times. According to the rule it was the correct call.
I thought he had both hands on the ball and brought it down to drive the ball into the end zone, where it came out. I thought the act of driving the ball down caused it to move, that the tip of the ball was the first thing to hit the ground in the end zone. It wasn't.
Looking at the replay the other 6 times, it appears his left elbow hit the ground first, causing the ball to come loose. He did not complete the play.
People have brought up the Dez Bryant play, but it’s not quite the same as it wasn’t in the end zone like the James and Calvin Johnson plays were.
It’s a bad rule plain and simple, and needs to be tweaked.
I’ve called it the Calvin Johnson rule and others have brought up Dez Bryant, but I guess to be accurate a lot of it goes back to the infamous Bert Emanuel play. That seems to where this shift started and plays that looked like obvious completions turned out to be non catches.
Take a look at the replay again and watch where his hands are when the ball moves. His right hand is on the side of the ball and his left hand is on top of the ball, palm up. That is why the ball spun and the TD was taken away. When you are going to the ground to catch the ball, you must maintain control of the ball throughout the ENTIRE process and James did not do that. What you mad about is the ridiculous play call and throw by Roethlisberger that cost them the game.
You got that right !!!!
They both went into the locker rooms didn’t they?
NE came out with the far better plan ....that’s the difference in the two head coaches.
Anybody who thinks Tomlin can beat NE in the playoffs up there. ......
I’ve got some bad news.
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None of that matters wrt a rematch.
The only scenario worth hoping for is somebody takes out NE in the playoffs before they hit Pgh.
If Pgh has to face NE in the playoffs Tomlin won’t beat Belichick here there or anywhere. Tomlin can get us to the SB but it won’t be through NE.
I just don't care for the coaching staff period. Haley gets conservative with a lead, Butler/Tomlin do not make adjustments with regards to the defense on the fly. No way should Gronk have been single covered on the 2 point play after abusing 28 on that last drive.
The ball never hit the damn ground in any indisputable way! Call on the field was a TD! Nothing else matters! Crap call!!!
Haha all the talking heads this morning on tv and radio are all seriously questioning whether it was the correct call, nice try
how does one establish oneself as a runner when the play is over as soon as the dude crossed the goal line (with a knee and elbow already on the ground)? If he would have caught the ball on the 1 and stood still reaching the ball across the goal line and had a defender strip it a second later they would have ruled it a td....lessen to us all, nothing good ever comes out of overregulation
the rule is dumb, it was created to help Green Bay defeat Dallas, similarly like the Tuck Rule was created to help New England defeat Oakland. Now it is out of control and the rules committee will have the change the catch rule.
If the player is able to catch the ball AND reach/stretch the ball out he HAS CONTROL OF THE BALL. Hence he has caught the ball. Stretching the ball out after catching it IS a football move, did anyone claim that Brown stretching the ball out over the goal line last year against Baltimore was not a football move? Just a retarded rule implemented by a bunch of retards.
If the player is able to catch the ball AND reach/stretch the ball out he HAS CONTROL OF THE BALL. Hence he has caught the ball. Stretching the ball out after catching it IS a football move, did anyone claim that Brown stretching the ball out over the goal line last year against Baltimore was not a football move? Just a retarded rule implemented by a bunch of retards.
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By rule......it was not a catch.
Patriots are overrated and this will mean nothing when the Steelers beat them in the playoffs.
Patriots are overrated and this will mean nothing when the Steelers beat them in the playoffs.
are you the one taking Gronk clubbing to the point of arrest the night before that game? That seems like the only scenario that has a possibility of working...
I've felt that way all along! Always hated replay in every sport. Replay was meant to fix obvious mistakes, but they've sunk their tentacles so deep into it they are looking for slight wobbling of balls in super slow motion. Before replay, what a catch was, was not that big a question, at some times it was somewhat subjective, but nobody was really upset. IMO, if they review 100, probably 95 aren't worth reviewing, and the call made was "good enough", trying to be perfect has ruined sports. I'd be happy if they just eliminated replay and accepted "errors" most errors where never noticed anyways until they started demanding constant replay. Or at least severely restrict it, have someone in the booth reverse errors that are obvious looking at it in regular speed if you can decide in less than a minute. I've become a soccer fan in recent years, and I'm sick of the A-HOLE American announcers demanding replay! I'm glad America doesn't rule that sport. Maybe the people in the SMART countries can keep them from ruining another sport.
It was me, I hate replay! It's ruined all sports, the original premise of fixing obvious mistakes is good, but they couldn't leave it at that, they made it a micromanagement tool that makes the referees decide the games more often than the players, I'd rather live with human error than watch this BS.
Then they should force RBs on running plays to control the ball to the ground too.
Ummm...the Steelers are kinda popular too ya know? There is a reason why they max out their prime time appearances every year.
The catch was completed when he had control and was on the ground. That is by their own interpretation of the rule. Control of the ball the whole way to the ground. Reaching for the goal line was not part of the catch. It was a football play after the catch. Therefore the play was dead when the ball touched the plane of the goal. This is where they screwed up the interpretation of an already terrible rule. The catch and the reach were two different things.
Dez Bryant did the exact same thing and the refs overturned it as well. How can you reach and stretch the ball if you don't have control over it?
It took the NFL years to get rid of the invented Tuck Rule, used only to give the "Patriots" a Super Bowl in the year of the terror attack and renewed "patriotism" that occurred afterwards. The NFL now needs to get rid of this "catch rule" invented only to attempt to propel Aaron Rodgers to the Super Bowl and repay the Cowboys for an officiating blunder that occurred the week before in their favor.
Same thing I was about to say. Reverse the roles and suppose it's Gronkowski reaching the ball over the goal line and having it make a quarter turn in his hand after it's already crossed the plane. Do you suppose a Patriots game winning TD gets reversed?
No way.
And therein lies the problem. Bob Kraft owns Roger Goodell.
You have zero idea what you are talking about. He never had control all the way to the ground. This rule seriously isn't that hard people, it was created to give a concrete definition to when a receiver has possession and to make catches less subjective to an individual referee or else we'd have different call on every one of these types of catches Instead of it going the same way (pissing off the fans of the overturned call) pretty much every time.
When a receiver is falling as a result of attempting a reception he is not considered a runner so there is no such thing as a "football move", the "catch" is every action the receiver makes after grabbing the ball out of the air until his momentum from the fall is finished. It doesn't matter if he was touched, it doesn't matter if he crossed the goal line, it doesn't matter if he twists or stretches any part of his body, it doesn't matter if he stretches the ball, it doesn't matter what he does with the ball while he's in the air falling. If he has not come to a complete stop then the "catch" has not been completed.
They 100% got the rule correct on replay.
Point out the frame where you see the ball move at all...
Are you shitting me? The ball is jostling in his arms as he is falling to the ground and then the ball is secured after being trapped against the ground.
EDIT: Further, the officials stated that the movement of the ball as he hit the ground wasn't the deciding factor. They stated in the Pats/Texans case that possession had already been established. By his tip toes. How is that any different than a knee and an elbow?
It's an idiotic rule as written. It defies all common sense, regardless how well a "bright line" has been suggested.
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You are correct that they got the call right per the ‘rule’. But you seem to be going overboard questioning whether he actually had possession of the ball. He definitely completed possession of the ball and was on to his next action, attempting to extend it over the goaline. Technically not a completion per the precise NFL rule but, practically speaking, possession was 100% completed.
I remember people laughing when Dallas got screwed on the Dez td. Not too much fun when it hits home. The NFL is a garbage league with it's story lines etc.
Yeah, in my opinion he absolutely caught the ball, had possession, and then fumbled it trying to make a play. But my opinion doesn't mean shit, the rule and the precedent established in previous rulings is the only thing that matters. I certainly don't want referees to disregard the rule just to make a call in my team's favor. The Calvin Johnson rule isn't a new thing, it's an established rule that all players are aware of, so I expect the officials call the play correctly and they did. All of this talk about the NFL and refs being on the take is ridiculous. Even saying that the NFL fixed it so that the Packers would beat the Cowboys (America's most popular and profitable team by a WIDE margin).
edit: Just to expand on how stupid the Dallas/Green Bay conspiracies are, Dallas is estimated to nearly double the annual profits of the team in 2nd place. Most of the top rated/watched NFL games every year for the past decade involve Dallas.
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I would be interested in hearing how people think the Commissioner of the NFL gets the referees to call games in favor of one team over another. Why wouldn't the refs, who have a union and would love to have leverage to use against the Commish, expose him for that? Donaghy obviously is the usual counter argument but 1. his claims were never proven to be true and 2. the NBA refs seemed to have a much better relationship with Stern than the NFL ones do with Gooddell.
I think they viewed it as he only had one knee on the ground. The ball, both hands and his other need had not hit the ground yet. So....
do these NFL players have IQ's in the single digits?
yes, what kind of dummy would stretch out his arms with ball in hand with no one within a yard of him for the game winning touchdown? He should have just tucked it in and put her on the one yard line (odd though in that he could have bobbled it just as easily doing this). As we Pitt fans know, from there with a running clock it is a gimme td....geez.
From what I hear people are questioning the spirit of the rule, not whether it was the correct call.
The ones that are questioning the call don’t know the rule.
or maybe he should have been satisfied with getting the damn first down and having a first and goal from the 2 yard line with plenty of time left!
It's ironic that the man's name is Jesse James, because yesterday he was the VICTIM of a robbery.
Well we did have the ball on the one yard line 2nd down and we saw how that worked out.
Come on, you can’t really fault JAMES there for trying to get the TD, it was right there for the taking. How many times has a team come up just short of a TD and then screwed the pooch on very short n goal to go. Let’s see, Pitt-VaTech unfortunately comes immediately to mind. When you have the opportunity, you go for the TD and James’ opportunity was right there for the taking.
The one that was bad was Derek Carr’s last night. There was no way he was close to being able to extend that ball over the goaline and lost the game because of it.
are you drunk? Seriously? The guy was not even being tackled. Who the hell would not simply go into the endzone when they could? Ball in hand(uh, by an NFL player !) , no defender near him. I mean I have been on this board a long time and that could be the most inane idiotic comment I have ever seen.... I mean, not even a month removed from the Va Tech debacle.. hahaha. now I may have to go get drunk after that one.
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