and then doubles down ...hahaha
I guess the national champ cannot be deemed the best team until they get your blessing .....
SMF - Great Call on SEC Basketball
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I guess the national champ cannot be deemed the best team until they get your blessing .....
Correct. The national champ doesn't mean you are the best team in the county. It means you won a 6 game tournament that produces wildly randomized results. Its funny that you think just because you win a 6 game tournament, it automatically makes you the best team. It makes you the champ, sure, and that may very well be the best team, but not always.
I agree that the tourney isn't the be all end all to determine the strength of a conference. And yes, the SEC was better than the ACC this year. But it obviously isn't light years better. You can't totally shit the bed the way the SEC has this postseason and still claim it's some kind of juggernaut.
Alabama had a major injury in the first 3 minutes.
LSU didnt have a coach.
Arkansas's team of mercenaries took care of business
Tennessee lost to a team from another powerhouse conference
Auburn and Kentucy - that happens.
Now go back and analyze the regular season of those teams.
LSU & Bama were never that good.
UK & AU peaked in late January. For whatever reason, neither team came close to living up to their potential. Both actually regressed.
Musselman & Barnes both did a really nice job this year, imo. Both had seasons where things could have easily went off the tracks, but they worked through it and really improved. Vols playef fairly well but couldn't overcome a poor shooting night. The Hogs are still dancing.
LSU & Bama were never that good.
UK & AU peaked in late January. For whatever reason, neither team came close to living up to their potential. Both actually regressed.
Musselman & Barnes both did a really nice job this year, imo. Both had seasons where things could have easily went off the tracks, but they worked through it and really improved. Vols playef fairly well but couldn't overcome a poor shooting night. The Hogs are still dancing.
I will say that LSU and Bama's seeds were helped by the SEC SOS whereas Miami and ND were hurt by the ACC's.
You are a clown. Once again your hyperbole blew up in your face. Instead of simply admitting you were wrong you decide to double and triple down. Just like your prediction of the Dow dropping to 6k.
I would love for you to tell me how I was wrong? Are you really using 4 days of basketball to justify 5 months?
I don't necessarily disagree in theory. However, the non-conference portion of the schedule that supposedly determines conference strength is also somewhat of a microcosm of the season when you consider that 75% of it is played against total scrubs. Plus it takes place when teams - particularly now, with such heavy portal activity - are still finding themselves. The rest of the year is just conferences playing among themselves.
Like, I don't see why Miami losing to Alabama in November carries more weight than Miami beating Auburn in March when it comes to comparing the ACC and SEC.
That's a funny statistic. I mean it may be true but Sagarin had the SEC behind the Big 12 and Big 10 while Colley has it Big 12, Big 10, Big East, then SEC.
Those are based on a larger set of data -- it's a better conference now but let's not get carried away.
It carries more weight, sure. But not a ton more. There was a stat that the ACC was 2-8 vs the A10. I don't even want to believe that
The Tournament is the ultimate test of league strength. Beating up on each other in any given league doesn’t prove anything.
The tournament brings out the very best in the players and coaches. There is no tomorrow.
He who is never wrong, is wrong again!
the thing is that it isn’t “five months.” It’s about 25 total non-conference games spread out over the first month of the season. That’s where the “ACC bad, B10/SEC good” thing came from.
Pomeroy has the Big 12 as the best conference, and the gap between the Big 12 and the SEC is larger than the gap between the SEC and the ACC. In fact larger than the gap between the SEC and the PAC12 too.
The notion that this season's SEC is the best conference ever is the product of a SMF fever dream.
5 months? By what national metric does 5 months come into play? You are judging the ACC/SEC by November and December and competition amongst themselves......Much like the championship itself, I'll judge it by February and March..I'm kind of odd in that I say the team or conference that is better now, uh, believe or not, is better now...
Now, how's about you at least answer for your absurd 6,000 dow prediction. Baby steps. Simply say, "I was wrong". No add ons, no follow ups. Go ahead Skippy, man up and give it a try...bet you cannot.
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And May madness don’t forget.
Huh? By you saying Gonzaga + 1 random team was better. That doesn't count.
Still waiting for you or someone else to tell me which conference had a higher average seed (minimum 5 teams in)
You can move the goalposts all you want. Of course the reason why you had to do that was because your original statement was so obviously dumb in the first place.
Or, well, obvious to people other than yourself.
Gonzaga doesn't count. That isnt moving the goal posts. I assume people are smart enough to realize that Gonzaga + 1 team doesn't count. Still waiting on you to find a higher average seed. Oh wait, didnt Wichita get a 1 and get another MVC team in? Maybe that's it!!!!!
You can't make grandiose statements and then when people point out the stupidity of them say oh, well, yeah, of course, I wasn't talking about that instance of what I said, I meant these other ones.
Well, I mean I guess you can, but when you do you look like an idiot.
Best league in history by average seed (minimum of 5 teams in)
That said, I believe the ACC might have set the NCAAT winning percentage record through 3 and 4 rounds (minimum 5 teams in). I have to put that disclaimer in there because if I don't, Joe will be sure to cutely point out the WCC has all those records thanks to Gonzaga.
You have to put that disclaimer in there because if you don't you'll be wrong.
believe the ACC might have set the NCAAT winning percentage record through 3 and 4 rounds (minimum 5 teams in).
1985 Big East had six teams in, three of the four in the final four. I think 16-3 through the elite eight. Then both teams in the national title and won the national title of course.
1985 Big East had six teams in, three of the four in the final four. I think 16-3 through the elite eight. Then both teams in the national title and won the national title of course.
Pitt was the common denominator in providing inspiration to teams going on a run. We should at least get a thank you card.
Villanova went on a run after we embarrassed them at Fitzgerald in 85 and UNC went on it’s run after being embarrassed at home by us this year.
Joe, for the millionth time. Nobody cares about Gonzaga setting some record for the WCC. They are essentially an independent. In fact, they brokered a deal with the WCC to reduce everyone to 14 league games instead of leaving for the MWC. They play 5 WCC teams twice (BYU and SMC every year probably) and 4 teams once.
So, congratulations to you to pointing out that the WCC set all kinds of awesome NCAAT records thanks to Gonzaga. 99% of people understand that you really dont need to put in a disclaimer to point you're talking about the true power leagues.
I am still waiting for you to find another power league (minimum 5 teams in) with a higher average seed tham the SEC
Why would I do your work for you? If you are going to make grand, obviously stupid pronouncements the onus for proving that you aren't being your typical self is on you, not me or anyone else here.
I'm not sure, I just went to 1985 bracket because it was such a legendary year for the Big East.
