Well Jamie Dixon gets paid millions of dollars of year to "ENTERTAIN" us and in recent years he hasn't been very "ENTERTAINING" to say the least. What are you talking about??
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Well Jamie Dixon gets paid millions of dollars of year to "ENTERTAIN" us and in recent years he hasn't been very "ENTERTAINING" to say the least. What are you talking about??
He is entitled to his opinion. Leave him alone. But basically, he is telling people to grow up, in so many words.
If the trend continues, he won't be leaving on his terms-I have no reservations about stating that will be the case. If Dixon doesn't turn things around, he won't be any different than any other coach who failed to earn his keep-and he's not earning his keep now. Does that mean that he can't turn things around or that he won't? No, but your suggestion that regardless of the circumstances that he will leave on his own terms is both naive and preposterous. Nerdy and Pedersen were poor mangers and stewards of athletics and their extension of Dixon when they did was mismanagement at its worst-you can go chew on that. And your post was profoundly stupid as are the assertions in your reply!
I don't know what's worse...that situation or the beer.
So now you're telling Pitt how to spend its $$$?? Sounds like Bernie Sanders. Do you shout and wave your arms, too??
You have NO idea how Gallagher and Barnes will act....NONE. And, like your idol Bernie, you feel you're entitled to something that ONLY Dixon has delivered at Pitt.
Del, I'll dismiss your reply since you're obviously out of touch with reality. Just from another post in this thread, I see you're a supporter of Sanders, so that explains a lot about your delusion. But you're entitled to whatever opinion you have in any area, as misguided and incorrect as it is. I know this goes against your fabric, but you or anyone else just can't go around telling Pitt how to spend their money or saying it is not well spent when you know nothing about the financial aspects of the situation. I suppose you're also in favor of income redistribution/socialism/communism. Oh yea, that'll work!
Nordenberg was one of the best Chancellors Pitt has ever had. That is a fact. Go chew on that. Yes, I agree that Pederson was incompetent in a lot of ways and he did not make the best decisions with the athletic department. So what? He was fired for it. And life goes on. You really need to grow up, dude.
First, I'm suggesting how they should spend "my money"! Unlike you, I actually contribute heavily to the athletics program. And second, if he doesn't pull out of this he will be canned. Not something I relish happening nor something I am campaigning for, but it will have meant that he pi$$ed away everything he built which he is well on his way to doing.
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it won't be me or any other fan who will dictate Dixon's fate . He's going to have to prove he can still coach, which is looking more doubtful by the day. He's making $2.5-3M per year at the moment and he's not earning it.The empty seats at the Pete will have a lot to say about what occurs. But your suggestion that regardless of his record and his performance that he survives the term of the contract is POPPYCOCK! And for the record...Nordenberg was a petty, incompetent bureaucrat who should have been chancellor at a school like Gannon or Westminster-that's the class of university he may have been able to handle. He should be shunned for what he did as he exited Pitt.
When Jackie Sherrill left his team's were 33-3 and if they had today's playoff system, would have won at least one National title. Jamie Dixon's last 3 years haven't been similar to that. Bad comparison. Comparing Jamie's last 3 years with Walt Harris's is more apropos.
In that case, what is Jamie still doing here? I've always been a Jamie supporter, but the last game Walt coached was the Fiesta Bowl. Dixon's last 3 years have been nowhere close to Walt's, and that includes the '03 football debacle. That was probably the most underachieving team in sports history and those years were miles upon miles better than the recent basketball years.
My point is that replacing a successful coach isn't as easy as seems. While some have lost faith in JD I'm not one of them. I still believe he's a fine coach who got caught in trying to change his recruiting philosophy and its backfired. They've been losing out on all their priority targets and one can only speculate on the reasons. These last two seasons they've had to scramble to fill their roster and it shows on the court . Next year seems a lot more promising with five new players coming in. The next two classes will determine the direction the program is heading under JD and his future. If nothing's improved by then a change needs to be considered if the administrations ultimate goal is winning a conference title. I'm not convinced that's their #1 priority .
Ps . If JD could recruit under the same conditions as Jackie did this situation wouldn't exist
This is just stupidity. Nordenberg was one of the best Chancellors Pitt has ever had. Period. Fact. End of story. What you said was just your jaundiced view of the accomplishments of a fine leader for this university. Seriously, I've never seen such a stupid, idiotic statement made on this board. Sports is such a small portion of a Chancellor's accountability. That's up to the AD. But you're basing your assessment of his performance on the sports teams????? LOL! I doubt you see the idiocy of that and I'm not going to try and explain it any further. You wouldn't understand.
BTW, Gannon and Westminster are fine institutions. They aren't lower class, as you imply.
And where did I say that Pitt should keep Dixon for the entire term of his contract if he continues to coach underachieving teams???? NOWHERE! I said he'd be here for at least a couple more years so he gets a chance to right the ship. If you're a Pitt fan, which you apparently are not, you want him to get this right. Learn to read while you're getting a grip on reality, both of which are difficult for you, apparently.
Yeah I know. And he is right in general. But this is a Pitt BB board, so the discussions and dissections of everything Pitt basketball is relevant. So while we all need to have perspective, I would hope we carry that more outside of this board.
Or we can talk about world politics. That is more important. But.......ya know......tends to get a bit messy, much messier than discussing the plight of this basketball team.
Not everything discussed is relevant. Otherwise, I don't disagree with anything you wrote. Perspective is the key. People acting like 8 year olds doesn't help. I welcome open and frank discussion. Less so on stupidity like "where are all the people who said _______ (something that was never said), or "_________ is the worst D1 _____" ever. Insert name and position. I think that's more what annoys people, for better or worse.
I'm really not understanding the anguish...
Was it not abundantly clear the past season and this one...
We're a jump shooting team who can't defend?
I mean... We aren't good, why are people shocked by this?
It didn't just happen.
We'll win games we score over 72 points, and will lose if we don't.
Was it not abundantly clear the past season and this one...
We're a jump shooting team who can't defend?
I mean... We aren't good, why are people shocked by this?
It didn't just happen.
We'll win games we score over 72 points, and will lose if we don't.
You said unequivocally Dixon would only leave on his own terms. By definition, that's an assertion that under no circumstances would he be fired. Are you trying to back out of that idiotic statement now?
You believe Nordenberg was a great chancellor- don't project your personal views on the entire world because there are a lot of people more discerning than you who recognize that in extending Pedersen's contract as he was exiting the university he committed a highly selfish act that cost the university 2 million dollars- how do you defend that? You can't and contrary to what you say, athletics is a huge component of a chancellors responsibility which is why it was incumbent on him to hire a competent AD, which he failed miserably at.
And if you have read my posts, which is clear you haven't, I'm not campaigning for Dixin's firing. I only responded to your stupid, stupid statement that if and when Dixon left it would necessarily be on his terms. And if you were a Pitt fan you'd be concerned about the university paying a coach $3m per year when he doesn't deserve it or hasn't earned it- so are you a Pitt fan or a Dixon loyalist. I'm the former and you're the latter- I've got little time for fans like you who don't have the university's best interests at heart!
That Fiesta Bowl was a fluke....and Pitt was ranked about #30?? How'd we do in that gamE??
Jamie's best years made Wlat's look like garbage. Walt was 52-44 at Pitt, best year was 9-4. NEVER had a winning % over 70%.....anywhere. And the BE was generally regarded as a weak FB conference. Dixon is the winningest coach in BE history...around 75% in probably the toughest conference in history.
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You can chalk me up as one that firmly agrees with Del's thoughts above. Up until the end, Nordy's responsibility was to act in the best and only interests of the institution he was serving and, in my opinion, his actions in extending Pedersen's contract as he was exiting was without a doubt a highly selfish act not made in the best interests of the institution he was serving. I personally thing that goes a long way to staining his tenure at the university. It doesn't get much worse than taking an action clearly for personal reasons and counter to his responsibilities to the university he was serving.
Some food for thought:
1) What if Milligan didn't have to leave the team for a stretch and end up taking a RS? Would be hard to imagine him shooting worse than JRob....and he's a lot quicker...?
2) The bench coaches need to be turned over, not Dixon.
-Brandin is a Pitt legend, but he's been around for nearly 10 years in one fashion or another. He's the best of the 3 we have, but for his own career development, and to get new input on the staff, he should move on (and up). He's only learned from the same person throughout his coaching career, so what new ideas is he going to give to Dixon...? probably none right now.
I've never actually heard or read about him interviewing anywhere else for a HC spot. That's concerning because the #2 coach on a P5 squad should have those types of aspirations, right?
-Barton he's been here for 5 years, how's the program looked over the past 5 years? hmm k I probably don't need to go further with this one, time to move on.
-Marlon Williamson-If we are keeping someone, it probably should be him. His main reason for being brought in was recruiting, but i'd be looking at him in a "you better bring in a 4-5 start guy in the '17 class and get a LOI in the early signing period, or you won't be here in the fall of 17"
1) What if Milligan didn't have to leave the team for a stretch and end up taking a RS? Would be hard to imagine him shooting worse than JRob....and he's a lot quicker...?
2) The bench coaches need to be turned over, not Dixon.
-Brandin is a Pitt legend, but he's been around for nearly 10 years in one fashion or another. He's the best of the 3 we have, but for his own career development, and to get new input on the staff, he should move on (and up). He's only learned from the same person throughout his coaching career, so what new ideas is he going to give to Dixon...? probably none right now.
I've never actually heard or read about him interviewing anywhere else for a HC spot. That's concerning because the #2 coach on a P5 squad should have those types of aspirations, right?
-Barton he's been here for 5 years, how's the program looked over the past 5 years? hmm k I probably don't need to go further with this one, time to move on.
-Marlon Williamson-If we are keeping someone, it probably should be him. His main reason for being brought in was recruiting, but i'd be looking at him in a "you better bring in a 4-5 start guy in the '17 class and get a LOI in the early signing period, or you won't be here in the fall of 17"
So....the REAL uptake here is that you threw some big $$ at Pitt under Nordenberg....and he didn't kiss your ass at noon under Kaufmann's Clock?? Or SP didn't give you any influence over the Athletic Dept.?? Thanks for revealing yourself, T. Boone.
Both of you are spot on. Nordy should return the money he stole walking out the door. Nordy might go down as the worst President ever relating to d 1 sports. We know Pederson one of the worst AD's ever!
Only a senile crummudgeon would infer what you did from my remarks. Ex-Lax is your solution.
Perspective is good. Life has a tendency to give you perspective, if you listen. And to be honest, I think you do have some sense of perspective on this. Just your statement of the plight of this basketball team and how messy other stuff is in comparison tells me you have your head on straight.
No he's making a bogus point- trying to trivialize away the fact that a guy who's making $3m per year isn't earning his keep and the fact that athletics is a big high stakes business. What bullcrap...it's only entertainment. That statement would get you laughed out of many discussion throughout the US.
He sounds like someone who thinks Government is always the answer or big education and those boobs in academia.
5 NCAA misses in 7 years will get him fired. No doubt in this world. However, he can still make the tournament this year which pushes it back. 5 misses out of 7 would be a worst-case scenario. Hard to imagine that happening but it could and if it does, he's gone.
There are degrees of getting upset. That's the point. I get upset sometimes at sports. But the degree of rancor some people experience on here is not really aligned to any sort of meaningful reality. And some people manage to be outraged at the Panthers (2 sports), Steelers, Penguins and Pirates at the same time. It is a total waste of life and time to be that mad about entertainment. Don't like the movie....stop watching. That simple.
OK, sports are big business. It only affects you specifically if you let it. How much it affects you is your choice. Nobody forces you to be mad. And you aren't horrible. There are other guys on here much more over the edge. You being the exception, have you noticed that the degree of outrage is nearly inversely related to lack of intelligence? Me too.
Keep playing the age card. YOU'RE the one with the feces fetish...and a blowhard who brags about his importance....but has no influence outside a cheapo bar in Dover, DE.
Hard to believe that knowing what we know about the amount of money at stake in big-time power 5 conference athletics today, that some people treat it like its equivalent to intramural sports. Mind boggling....oh, it's just something people do on the weekends for a little relaxation and levity.
Or enough perspective to know, like intramural sports.. Our angst doesn't change anything.
I'm not sure I agree. Posting the same thing over and over ad nauseum really seems to work.
Actually, quite the opposite.
If you and Del want to attack me on a message board, be my guest. My life experiences and what I've learned from them have made me realize that what you and Del say is quite a bit disconnected from living a sane life. If you can get this upset over a sports team or a coach and his money, there's nothing that can help you. You're a lost cause. But continue the attacks. They're amusing. After all, what are message boards for but attacking other posters??
No fetish, just diagnosing the basis for your constant state of irascibility. And I'm not bragging, just responding to your constant suggestion that I have no material interest in what happens in Pitt sports and should mind my own business. Don't think you'll find me in Dover......
Laughable. You're not a fan; you're an observer. Observers get nothing accomplished and at the end of the day don't really aid anyone's cause. Keep observing. I'll keep rooting. That's not insanity ; that's called being emotionally invested in what's important to you. And guess what? If no one was invested emotionally inPitt sports, Pitt would be out of luck and should just shut the operation down, not that you would care- it's just another form of entertainment. You know, just like Bingo.
Quit it already, Del. I am emotionally and financially invested in Pitt sports for longer than you've probably been alive. I don't need to justify my attitude about Pitt to anyone, especially a message board loudmouth. Tell you what. You keep on being what you call a fan and making yourself go nuts over stuff that won't put a penny in your pocket or help you be a better person and I'll continue being a real fan, giving to the university I love, and buying my seasons tickets and attending every home game and some away games, while enjoying myself. No matter how screwed up you are, you can't take that away from me.
And don't get me started on what's important. From the sounds of it, you're not in any position to comment on that in a sane fashion.
You declaring ANYONE as irascible is a joke. You're not entitled to anything.....I never said you had no interest.....just no valid claim of influence. If you don't like the product....don't buy it.
