T-Ranketology has Pitt In
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When they went to metrics that considered things other than winning, some conferences figured out how to game the system.
I'm not sure what changed since this morning, but Torvik now has moved us out of Dayton, and the highest ranked 11 seed and a bye.
And when they used metrics that only paid attention to winning, some conferences figured out how to game the system.
The difference is that back then the way to game the system was to play mid-majors with good records, teams that had little chance to beat you, but their record looked good. Now that they are using efficiency metrics the way to game the system is to be more efficient. Which is simply another way to say "play better".
Rooting hard for my Mountaineers. They have just as much, if not more talent than TCU, but one thing about Jamie is he always beats who he's supposed to. Few upsets for or against.
I just don’t get how Lunardi has Utah New Mexico and Providence all ahead of Pitt. Pitt should be ahead of all of those teams at the moment and like a lot of other brackets are starting to show they should be in the tournament and field of 68 right now.
Nova-Seton Hall sure not going our way so far.
Although how many more games can Nova lose before their tourney spot becomes iffy even with their lofty NETin the 20’s. Lose to Hall tonight and they’re 17-13, finish up this weekend with Creighton which could be loss 14. And so far it looks like their opening BE tourney game will be a rematch with Hall. That’s shaping up to be a playin/playout game.
Although how many more games can Nova lose before their tourney spot becomes iffy even with their lofty NETin the 20’s. Lose to Hall tonight and they’re 17-13, finish up this weekend with Creighton which could be loss 14. And so far it looks like their opening BE tourney game will be a rematch with Hall. That’s shaping up to be a playin/playout game.
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Villanova loses this one and then loses to Creighton at home on Saturday they better plan on winning at least one in the Big East tournament, because if they don't they are going to be in trouble at 17-15.
And if they do lose these next two they could end up (depending on the tiebreakers) getting Butler in that first game rather than one of the two pitiful Big East bottom feeders.
There's no way they get in at 17-15. I dont think there's ever been an at-large with that low of a winning percentage. Even at 18-15, I think that would the lowest winning percentage ever. It would almost be better if SHU wins this and Nova loses to Creighton and then wins 0 or 1 at MSG. Nova’s either going to be the best NET team to not get in or the worst winning percentage to get in.
BTW, how bout Fox doing the impossible and finding a way to do a 6:30/8:30 doubleheader. How did they do it? And the nightcap is at 7:30 local in Milwaukee. Why can't they make fans attend 9PM local time weeknight games?
Yeah, I edited/added to my post suggesting the same thing. You/we Pitt fans sure would hope their tourney spot will be in trouble at 17-15.
Another one similar to Nova is Mich State, lofty Net and firmly in the tourney now at 17-12. I think we’re supposed to be rooting for them tonight against NW but if they lose to drop to 17-13 you would think they couldn’t afford another loss either. They finish with Indiana before the B10 tourney.
I'm not doing predictions, but I know you do. So, Pitt runs the table ... what's our seed? 6?
Because a 9:00 local time in Milwaukee would be a 10:00 tip time in the east coast, and they don't want a 10:00 game that won't end until midnight or later?
Interesting. We'd likely have had 3 Q1 wins (assuming we are a 5 seed in the ACCT), and would have to beat either UNC/and or Duke. 7 is more likely
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I was being sarcastic. The Milwaukee locals would have survived an 8PM local (9PM eastern) start. Really no reason for B
Nova/SHU to start at 6:30 when 7/9 would have worked fine with the time zone difference. Just jealous that everyone can do 6:30/8:30 but the ACC
If we win the ACCT, zero chance we're an 8/9. 6/7 is much more likely.
8/9 seems right. Wins over Clemson, Duke, UNC would each move up a seed line. Considering only 3 brackets have us in as of yesterday that’s decent. You can’t get a 6 seed just because of 3 neutral site games with teams having varying motivation. See VT 2022 that was rewarded with an 11.
VT 23-12 (11-9), 3-4 Q1, 6-5Q2, 7-2 Q3, 7-0 Q4; prior to ACC tourney net of 41. Net of 30 post ACC tourney. They only had 1 Q1 win prior to ACC tourney. Not too far off Pitts current profile. They also had 7 road wins.
VT 23-12 (11-9), 3-4 Q1, 6-5Q2, 7-2 Q3, 7-0 Q4; prior to ACC tourney net of 41. Net of 30 post ACC tourney. They only had 1 Q1 win prior to ACC tourney. Not too far off Pitts current profile. They also had 7 road wins.
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I would counter with VT being 7th in the ACC and a loss in their last reg season game. Pitt would finish no worse than tied for 4th and on a 6 game winning streak. Pitt has 8 P5 road/neutral wins and VT had 6 road/neutral wins, prior to the tourney of course.
I'll freely admit it depends on who Pitt plays in the ACCT because upsets happen (and would have to happen in Pitt's situation).
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