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The Browns have belief that Kenny Pickett can play well within Kevin Stefanski's system.

with a strong running game, i think he can be a poor man's baker mayfield. Stefanski's system requires a very strong run game though to have any success.
 
Kenny is no worse than your average starting QB. It takes some guys a little time to adjust to the NFL but if you go Round 1, you better be good right away.

No worse than the 16th or 17th best quarterback in the world? I would have to disagree. I suppose I'm mish-mashing average and median here, but the point remains.
 
No worse than the 16th or 17th best quarterback in the world? I would have to disagree. I suppose I'm mish-mashing average and median here, but the point remains.
so would many others lol.





 
Basically, yea. Sub him in for the 17th best QB in the world and the w/l record would be the same.

He's done literally nothing to prove that. There are like 35 Pitt fans who have seen him do it against Georgia Tech and refuse to acknowledge that the NFL might be slightly more difficult so that might not exactly translate. But the other (8.062 billion minus 35) people in the world choose to live in reality.
 
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If he gets to start and they let him try the throws Tomlin wouldn't let him try, maybe he can prove detractors wrong, I'd like to see him succeed just to make Tomlin look bad :)

What the hell does that even mean? You guys act like the stuck a governor in his elbow. He was allowed to throw deep just as Rudolph did numerous times after he came in for Pickett.
 
He's done literally nothing to prove that. There are like 35 Pitt fans who have seen him do it against Georgia Tech and refuse to acknowledge that the NFL might be slightly more difficult so that might not exactly translate. But the other (8.062 billion minus 35) people in the world choose to live in reality.

You are overestimating the NFL knowledge of the Chinese so take off a few billion
 
He's done literally nothing to prove that. There are like 35 Pitt fans who have seen him do it against Georgia Tech and refuse to acknowledge that the NFL might be slightly more difficult so that might not exactly translate. But the other (8.062 billion minus 35) people in the world choose to live in reality.
To be honest if you look at the way he played in the first couple of games as a rookie to later he was changed some for the good some for the bad, but you can't handcuff a young QB or they won't learn. He also looked way better in Philly and he threw an okay deep ball from what I can tell. That 50 yard pass to Smith was a dot and hit him in stride.
 
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What the hell does that even mean? You guys act like the stuck a governor in his elbow. He was allowed to throw deep just as Rudolph did numerous times after he came in for Pickett.
Just like BR he performed better late in games when they threw the Tomlin/Canda playvook out the window.

No one ever has confused him with a franchise qb. He’s clearly not even close to being one. But with the right coaching and talent he can be a winning and playoff Qb. Not sure he has the moxie that Purdy has but I think he could be close to being a Purdy type Qb.
 
Just like BR he performed better late in games when they threw the Tomlin/Canda playvook out the window.

No one ever has confused him with a franchise qb. He’s clearly not even close to being one. But with the right coaching and talent he can be a winning and playoff Qb. Not sure he has the moxie that Purdy has but I think he could be close to being a Purdy type Qb.
We saw what he could do when playing for real coaches and real weapons. No one’s ever going to confuse him with Brett Favre but kenny was pretty darn good. …

Not good enough to be a star without weapons. But good enough to make his weapons stars.
 
He was allowed to throw the ball downfield. Where is this insane notion coming from?

He's also been available each of the last two seasons for next to nothing. In a league that is starving for quarterbacks.
 
What the hell does that even mean? You guys act like the stuck a governor in his elbow. He was allowed to throw deep just as Rudolph did numerous times after he came in for Pickett.
I think you might be overstating Rudolph and long passes… he had a lot of big plays where Pickens ran his ass off YAC plays… Pickett threw some nice long passes with Philly and also his last season at Pitt… the field is the same size… literally the same field
 
He was allowed to throw the ball downfield. Where is this insane notion coming from?

He's also been available each of the last two seasons for next to nothing. In a league that is starving for quarterbacks.

Aimed fine throwing down field in limited opportunities with the Eagles.
 
Aimed fine throwing down field in limited opportunities with the Eagles.

Wonder why they didn't keep him. Did they really value DTR and a 5th round pick more? They got to see what he can do for over a year. They, an extremely well-run organization, should understand his exact worth as much as anyone.
 
Wonder why they didn't keep him. Did they really value DTR and a 5th round pick more? They got to see what he can do for over a year. They, an extremely well-run organization, should understand his exact worth as much as anyone.

One is on a 4 yr $14mil contract. The other is on a 4 year $4mil contract. Should be simple math to figure this one out.
 
One is on a 4 yr $14mil contract. The other is on a 4 year $4mil contract. Should be simple math to figure this one out.

Yeah, that's not how contracts work.

In 2025, Kenny Pickett's base salary with the Cleveland Browns is $2,623,350, and his total cap hit is the same amount.

Here's a breakdown of his contract:

  • Contract Value: $14,067,905 (fully guaranteed)
  • Signing Bonus: $7,411,204
  • Average Annual Salary: $3,516,976
    • 2025 Base Salary: $2,623,350
    • 2025 Total Cap Hit: $2,623,350
    • Years: 4-year rookie contract with a 5th-year option
 
Would be very happy to see him beat the Steelers.

Again, regarding draft picks - Aaron Rodgers, 24th pick, backup for 3 years. Many such cases before retarded expectations took over for every first round pick to be an insa-starter due to the average American's attention span going to zero due to cell phones and overall societal degeneracy.
 
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In all fairness I’m not sure you’d call a Qb drafted 20th a frachise QB. I would think it would have to b top 10
Someone needs to tell Lamar Jackson to go grab some pine.

You don't spend a 1st round pick on a player that isn't expected to start for at least their rookie contract.
 
Would be very happy to see him beat the Steelers.

Again, regarding draft picks - Aaron Rodgers, 24th pick, backup for 3 years. Many such cases before retarded expectations took over for every first round pick to be an insa-starter due to the average American's attention span going to zero due to cell phones and overall societal degeneracy.
No, it's because high school and college football training has progressed to the point where players are more ready than ever to step into a starting position. Then a string of first-year starters began really excelling in the league starting in the early 2000s. Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, etc.

If Aaron Rodgers didn't have one of the best QBs in NFL history in front of him, he would likely have started.

The trend has nothing to do with your ageism and everything to do with the professionalization of sports in teens and young adults.
 
No, it's because high school and college football training has progressed to the point where players are more ready than ever to step into a starting position. Then a string of first-year starters began really excelling in the league starting in the early 2000s. Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, etc.

If Aaron Rodgers didn't have one of the best QBs in NFL history in front of him, he would likely have started.

The trend has nothing to do with your ageism and everything to do with the professionalization of sports in teens and young adults.
Strickly age-ism, son. It's not mine. It belongs to all of us. Look at the string of first year starters who have not excelled since then. Getting lucky a few times always happens. Age to the ism.

69 quarterbacks drafted since the year 2000 in first round, and 5 won a super bowl with who drafted them.

Relax, son. It's Sunday.
 
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Strickly age-ism, son. It's not mine. It belongs to all of us. Look at the string of first year starters who have not excelled since then. Getting lucky a few times always happens. Age to the ism.

69 quarterbacks drafted since the year 2000 in first round, and 5 won a super bowl with who drafted them.

Relax, son. It's Sunday.
What does that have anything to do with with attention spans and such? What does attention span have to do with QBs starting their rookie season?

Let's take a look at 1970 NFL draft that had 2 QBs taken in the first round.
Terry Bradshaw started 8/14 games and 13 games in his second season.
Mike Phipps was taken a few slots later and sat behind a former All-Pro and Pro Bowl QB for 2 seasons.
Which do you think had the better career? Was Knoll spending too much time on TikTok?

The next season saw Jim Plunkett, Archie Manning, and Dan Pastorini drafted 1-2-3. All 3 started most of their games in their rookie season? Were the coaches of 1971 modern social degenerates?

Let's take a look at the rookie season for HOF QBs from the first round in the 80s.
Marino - 9 starts
Elway - 10 starts
Aikman - 11 starts

Face it, first round QBs have always been expected to step into a starting role their rookie season in the vast majority of cases. Don't just use it as another excuse to shit on the young generation, I'm sure you have plenty of other reasons that you choose to do so.
 
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if you draft a qb in the first rd, it's not to be a "Stop gap" or a back up. it's absolutely meant to be your franchise QB.
Just saying the odds of a guy drafted that late in the first round are pretty low for actually being the franchise. I think Joe Panther posted this earlier

It’s why you’re probably better to wait and draft a qb later and take a position. Player. Qb success is so hard to predict
 
What does that have anything to do with with attention spans and such? What does attention span have to do with QBs starting their rookie season?

Let's take a look at 1970 NFL draft that had 2 QBs taken in the first round.
Terry Bradshaw started 8/14 games and 13 games in his second season.
Mike Phipps was taken a few slots later and sat behind a former All-Pro and Pro Bowl QB for 2 seasons.
Which do you think had the better career? Was Knoll spending too much time on TikTok?

The next season saw Jim Plunkett, Archie Manning, and Dan Pastorini drafted 1-2-3. All 3 started most of their games in their rookie season? Were the coaches of 1971 modern social degenerates?

Let's take a look at the rookie season for HOF QBs from the first round in the 80s.
Marino - 9 starts
Elway - 10 starts
Aikman - 11 starts

Face it, first round QBs have always been expected to step into a starting role their rookie season in the vast majority of cases. Don't just use it as another excuse to shit on the young generation, I'm sure you have plenty of other reasons that you choose to do so.

I was mostly just being annoying because of your ageism comment. I cannot picture Lee Van Cleef, John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Jason Statham, Tom Hardy, my grandfathers or father, or (pick your rugged male figure) talking about ageism.

I don't have any history on "shitting on the younger generation" other than the retarded ones, but there are old retards also. The Gen Z guys are majorly based on many things and I have high hopes for them.
 
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