This new guy they got hitting leadoff the last two nights might be pretty good.
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He's not new! That's Andrew McCutchen. He's 37 years old. He used to play here, from 2009 - 2017 (we actually drafted him). Then he was with a few other teams before returning to Pittsburgh last season. Can't believe you've never heard of him. He used to be a pretty good ballplayer.
This is very true. It is in many ways just what we are seeing in college football. Individual leagues are negotiating their TV contracts. In baseball, it is teams.
For the most part, yes. But at least revenue sharing, draft order, and guaranteed money (large market teams get stuck with behemoth contracts) helps levels the playing field a tiny bit. College football is MLB on the Jose Canseco injection regimen.
Here’s a fun game to play before tonight’s game:
In my opinion, it has to be Clemente, Wagner, Stargell, and Kiner… right? Maybe Kiner with Paul Waner?
In my opinion, it has to be Clemente, Wagner, Stargell, and Kiner… right? Maybe Kiner with Paul Waner?
pittdan77
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I'd agree with you but there aren't really any other names that come close to those. Dave Parker might get a sniff.
Not sure how long this will last, but got to at least give credit to Bailey Falter, and to the Bucs for working with him/sticking with him. He comically allowed the first 5 batters he faces this season to score...then has been Tom Glavine since. For some reason, starting LH pitchers do tend to bloom later. This is a 6'4" 27y/o lefty with decent stuff...he might turn into something. I don't mean something like an All-Star, just a capable back of rotation starter, than can go like 11-10 with 4.50 ERA for a few years...that gets you paid in the MLB.
I’d have no problem with him turning into this era’s Francisco Liriano.
Clearly Wagner and Clemente would go up there.
There is one book about the Pirates history that I read, I forget who wrote it, but if I recall correctly, he said the only two players on the Pirates that were the best player in all of baseball for a multi-year period were Wagner and Bonds. Clemente is a legend but he wasn't better than Willie Mays and even some other players of his generation.
ever hear of a guy named Honus Wagner? One of the five inducted into the first baseball hall of fame class (one of three Pirates who were first ballot inductees) ? He came to mind since I saw him on some old baseball card I had in a stack in my basement that I threw out the other day...
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John Cangelosi, Mario Mendoza, Jimmy Anderson and Orestes Destrade. Or "OD" as I called him. Offensive Deficiency. You can convince me to replace him with Doug Frobel.
He’s on my list. That’s awesome that you actually have a card of his- I’d hold onto that forever!
I was hesitant to include Bonds since he spent the majority of his career outside of Pittsburgh, but the argument can definitely be made for him.
obviously if I had said T206 card I most definitely would not hold on to it....I'd take the millions for it and be on my way...
pittdan77
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Oh, and you're just going to ignore Derek Bell?
The Pirates all time top four in WAR is Wagner (by a lot), Clemente, Paul Waner and Arky Vaughan. Stargell is 5th. If you are going to consider Kiner, who played 7-1/2 seasons for the Pirates, then you have to put Bonds, who played 7 seasons, on there ahead of him.
FWIW, Bonds is 7th on the Pirates' WAR list and Kiner is 9th.
You guys are showing your youth and ignorance. I once watched Pie Traynor hit a ball 520 feet and then tell the umpire to just call him out because he was tired and didn't feel like trotting around the bases. Said he'd just hit another one next time.
pittdan77
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I once saw Glenn Wilson get thoroughly defeated by a balloon in the outfield. Never saw a grown man struggle so much to do anything.
Good thing the Bucs have Mitch Keller locked up for 5 more years!
I was thinking the same thing. I think they had an idea he would be a #1 or #2 starter in the rotation. I think it has become obvious that he is an average major league starter.
Yes. I was being a bit dramatic for fun, but if Keller is your #3 and Jones & Skenes turn out to be true top of the rotation guys, that is a start to a good rotation. And Keller's salaries are reasonable for a #3 pitcher on a 'real' MLB team....but they are way high for a Pirates #3.
Lol. In fairness to Chapman, the pitch that was hit out was a high fastball just off the outside corner at 102 mph and it was tailing away from the batter. He stayed back on it and didn't try to pull it and got the barrel of the bat on it. When the pitcher is throwing it 102, it doesn't take a whole lot to send it flying the other way. If anything, I'd like to see him keep that pitch down in the zone, instead of up. I was more upset at him for walking the batter that provided the winning margin.
