USA Today's early 2017 Top 25

[UPitt '89]

FSU #1
Alabama #2


PSU #8
WVU #23

Pitt in "others receiving votes" at #32.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...119570/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[pitt-girl]

Sounds about right to me. (#3 and #4, as usual. )

 

[PittFathead87]

I thought Michigan was supposed to lose everyone? Not bad for retooling.

 

[pitt-girl]

I thought Michigan was supposed to lose everyone? Not bad for retooling.

What's even funnier is that they drop Clemson to #9 because they lose Watson but for the most part the entire D is back.

 

[TD_6082]

What's even funnier is that they drop Clemson to #9 because they lose Watson but for the most part the entire D is back.

Harbaugh vs Dabo. I can see why.

 

[UPitt '89]

What's even funnier is that they drop Clemson to #9 because they lose Watson but for the most part the entire D is back.

With a big question mark at QB, you can't rank them higher just yet.

The reason FSU is #1 is because of how good Deondre Francois is expected to be.

 

[UPitt '89]

Harbaugh vs Dabo. I can see why.

Dabo's an excellent coach.

And so far at Michigan, Harbaugh's been a bit of choker in big moments.

 

[pitt-girl]

Harbaugh vs Dabo. I can see why.

When Harbaugh gets Meechigan to the NC 2 years in a row, I might give him the nod. Until then, just conjecture.

 

[Las Panteras]

I happen to think Harbaugh will be back in the league before michigan gets to the playoff

 

[VAPITTALUM]

When Harbaugh gets Meechigan to the NC 2 years in a row, I might give him the nod. Until then, just conjecture.

At 9 million/year, Harbaugh should already have 2 NCs. UM is going to need a lot of fresh faces to fill big roles; can't see that happening consistently against teamsome outside of the BIG bloated conference.

 

[TD_6082]

When Harbaugh gets Meechigan to the NC 2 years in a row, I might give him the nod. Until then, just conjecture.

Hypothetical question: If both guys picked up the phone and begged to be our head coach, which coach would you choose?

 

[UPitt '89]

Hypothetical question: If both guys picked up the phone and begged to be our head coach, which coach would you choose?

It would be a easy choice for me. Both guys recruit Top 5 classes every year.... Swinney has a top 5 offense every year and is a genuinely nice guy and easy guy to root for. Jim Harbaugh always comes up JUST short in the big games, both pro and college... is a genuine first-class asshole... and would leave as soon as the going EVER got tough.

Swinney all the way.

 

[Pitt1995]

Hypothetical question: If both guys picked up the phone and begged to be our head coach, which coach would you choose?

Probably the guy who has been there done that from our own conference.

 

[pitt-girl]

Hypothetical question: If both guys picked up the phone and begged to be our head coach, which coach would you choose?

Hard question. But I'd have to give the nod to Dabo only because as '89 said above, he's just more likable AND he's gotten closer to the NC than Harbaugh has ever been. Unless and until Harbaugh delivers at that level, I'm Dabo ALL the way.

 

[UPitt '89]

Hard question. But I'd have to give the nod to Dabo only because as '89 said above, he's just more likable AND he's gotten closer to the NC than Harbaugh has ever been. Unless and until Harbaugh delivers at that level, I'm Dabo ALL the way.

I'll put it another way for TD.

Please list one objective, observable trait or accomplishment of Harbaugh's that is better than Swinney's?

It's an easy choice for me. Swinney's better. Harbaugh's all hype and just a complete ass.

 

[pitt-girl]

I'll put it another way for TD.

Please list one objective, observable trait or accomplishment of Harbaugh's that is better than Swinney's?

It's an easy choice for me. Swinney's better. Harbaugh's all hype and just a complete ass.

Harbaugh had very good success at Stanford. Obviously the 49er's stint left a lot to be desired. He has recruited very well at Michigan. Beyond that, not much else at this point. Dabo, Dabo, Dabo!!!!!!!!

 

[CorsosRevenge]

Harbaugh vs Dabo. I can see why.

What's Harbaugh won again? Remind me.

 

[TD_6082]

I'll put it another way for TD.

Please list one objective, observable trait or accomplishment of Harbaugh's that is better than Swinney's?

It's an easy choice for me. Swinney's better. Harbaugh's all hype and just a complete ass.

You gotta be kidding.

 

[UPitt '89]

Harbaugh had very good success at Stanford. Obviously the 49er's stint left a lot to be desired. He has recruited very well at Michigan. Beyond that, not much else at this point. Dabo, Dabo, Dabo!!!!!!!!

Harbaugh's stints at Stanford and Michigan are not better than Dabo's stint at Clemson. Not by a longshot.

 

[TD_6082]

What's Harbaugh won again? Remind me.

You're kidding too, right?

 

[UPitt '89]

You gotta be kidding.

No... not kidding.

Swinney has had more success at Clemson than Harbaugh has had at Stanford or Michigan.

They both recruit Top 5 classes every year.

Every time a Harbaugh-coached team has a chance for a big win, they blow it. Both pro and college.

There's not one observable, measurable way in which any sane person can have Harbaugh ahead of Swinney.... except in hype.

Harbaugh has the hype in spades.... that you've bought into, because you're a Big Ten Syncophant who ... despite all evidence to the contrary, thinks the Big Ten is one of the Top Two conferences in college football.

There is nothing that Harbaugh has over Swinney. Nothing. And your inability to list even ONE single objective measurement or trait in which Harbaugh is better has been noticed. When your only response is "you've got to be kidding"... it means you've got nuthin'.

 

[UPitt '89]

You're kidding too, right?

Maybe one of these times, you'll actually answer one of the questions.

I'm guessing not, since you don't have any data on your side.

 

[Big Marty1]

Penn State will fall back in September. Guess who schools them again ? Im sure the same voices will rise again saying Pitt is inferior. Same folks every time. We own those dopes.

 

[TD_6082]

I'll respond after the game.

Take a look at the shape of the programs/franchises before Harbaugh arrived. More later.

Would you trade Pat Narduzzi for Gene Chizik? Chizik is more accomplished ya know.

 

[pitt-girl]

You're kidding too, right?

No, not really. I'm all for info - perhaps share so that I will change my mind?????

 

[UPitt '89]

I'll respond after the game.

Take a look at the shape of the programs/franchises before Harbaugh arrived. More later.

Would you trade Pat Narduzzi for Gene Chizik? Chizik is more accomplished ya know.

Take a look at Clemson before Dabo arrived. "Clemsoning" was a thing. Pre-season Top 10 teams that ended up 8-4 was a thing.

Dabo changed the culture there... More than Harbaugh changed the culture at Michigan so far.

 

[TD_6082]

Take a look at Clemson before Dabo arrived. "Clemsoning" was a thing. Pre-season Top 10 teams that ended up 8-4 was a thing.

Dabo changed the culture there... More than Harbaugh changed the culture at Michigan so far.

uh. Harbaugh has been there 2 years. He changed the culture at 4 different places in the time frame Dabo has been at Clemson.

 

[pitt-girl]

uh. Harbaugh has been there 2 years. He changed the culture at 4 different places in the time frame Dabo has been at Clemson.

OK. Goes back to if/when Harbaugh can get Michigan to the NC 2 years in a row, until then...?

 

[UPitt '89]

uh. Harbaugh has been there 2 years. He changed the culture at 4 different places in the time frame Dabo has been at Clemson.

Yeah... the culture for the SF 49ers is *SO* much better now than it was during their heyday.

They're slightly better than the Browns. He sure left a winning culture behind.

But I'll give you Stanford, they are definitely better off than before he got there.

Harbaugh doesn't suck.... but he's at least a notch below Swinney as a college football coach. They both recruit, but Dabo wins more... and his teams show up in big games better.

And in about 30 minutes, if this drive goes well... he might just be a national champion.

 

[Joe Pa Thetic]

Harbaugh's stints at Stanford and Michigan are not better than Dabo's stint at Clemson. Not by a longshot.

I am not even a Harbaugh fan, but some of the posts in this thread are just completely ridiculous. He inherited a team that went 1-11 under Walt Harris in 2006. Here are Harbaugh's four years at Stanford:

2007: 4-8
2008: 5-7
2009: 8-5
2010 12-1 (ranked No. 4 in the country)

Stanford had not finished as high as No. 4 in the country since 1940, and had finished ranked in the top 10 just four times since World War II.

 

[pitt-girl]

I am not even a Harbaugh fan, but some of the posts in this thread are just completely ridiculous. He inherited a team that went 1-11 under Walt Harris in 2006. Here are Harbaugh's four years at Stanford:

2007: 4-8
2008: 5-7
2009: 8-5
2010 12-1 (ranked No. 4 in the country)

Stanford had not finished as high as No. 4 in the country since 1940, and had finished ranked in the top 10 just four times since World War II.

Not disputing his success at Stanford. The question is who would you take Swinney or Harbaugh? RIGHT NOW.

 

[UPitt '89]

Not disputing his success at Stanford. The question is who would you take Swinney or Harbaugh? RIGHT NOW.

Exactly. Harbaugh is a great coach. But Swinney is better.

 

[TD_6082]

OK. Goes back to if/when Harbaugh can get Michigan to the NC 2 years in a row, until then...?

Larry Coker went to back to back championship games. Was he a great coach? Hell no.

Les Miles went to 2 NC games. Was he a great coach?

Harbaugh has been NFL Coach of the year, been to a Super Bowl and flipped 3 college programs.

If you think Dabo would win more at Pitt than Harbaugh, you're nuts.

 

[pitt-girl]

Larry Coker went to back to back championship games. Was he a great coach? Hell no.

Les Miles went to 2 NC games. Was he a great coach?

Harbaugh has been NFL Coach of the year, been to a Super Bowl and flipped 3 college programs.

If you think Dabo would win more at Pitt than Harbaugh, you're nuts.

Yep.

 

[TD_6082]

Not disputing his success at Stanford. The question is who would you take Swinney or Harbaugh? RIGHT NOW.

At Pitt. Harbaugh. EASILY. Its not a choice.

 

[TD_6082]

Yep.

Yep?! You think Coker & Miles are great coaches?

 

[pitt-girl]

Yep?! You think Coker & Miles are great coaches?

"If you think Dabo would win more at Pitt than Harbaugh, you're nuts."

That's the "yep". Give it a rest TD.

 

[UPitt '89]

Larry Coker went to back to back championship games. Was he a great coach? Hell no.

Les Miles went to 2 NC games. Was he a great coach?

Harbaugh has been NFL Coach of the year, been to a Super Bowl and flipped 3 college programs.

If you think Dabo would win more at Pitt than Harbaugh, you're nuts.

Dabo has now done something that Jim "choke" Harbaugh has never done and will likely never do.... win a championship.

He's a champion. Harbaugh never will be.

 

[UPitt '89]

At Pitt. Harbaugh. EASILY. Its not a choice.

Because you have Big Ten blinders on and think everything that comes out of there is gold.

Swinney is the equal to Harbaugh in recruiting.... and is better as a coach. Harbaugh is a bad coach at crunch time in the big games.... and he'll never be a champion because of it.

 

[wbrpanther]

Hypothetical question: If both guys picked up the phone and begged to be our head coach, which coach would you choose?

Swinney. I can look at him without barfing.