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Va Tech Game & Other Dribbles ...

I don't think the twins sound m should even play hoops this offseason
Maybe just eat and train with the football team instead
The VT fans sitting next to me kept referring to them as the 6 pound twins. And must have said 100 times they can’t possibly weigh 200 pounds combined. Once these guys started some little kid near us kept asking his mom how much they weigh. Poteat was an absolute tank and these poor kids had to muscle it with him. VT has some muscle in the paint and it was obvious.
 
Refs weren't letting Pitt play better defense. Let's say we had the officiating crew that did our Miami game, Pitt might have won. The nonstop foul calls all game were terrible and it basically made Pitt scared to play any kind of defense with serious aggressiveness or intensity because this crew would immediately call a foul. Sure Pitt played badly but the refs had a lot to do imo with it.
The refs weren’t the problem. We were a step slow and out of position all game. Thus we had to foul. Was it the players, the coaches, VT doing something we hadn’t seen? These games happen, just hope they bounce back Tuesday and this isn’t the beginning of a bad trend.
 
The refs weren’t the problem. We were a step slow and out of position all game. Thus we had to foul. Was it the players, the coaches, VT doing something we hadn’t seen? These games happen, just hope they bounce back Tuesday and this isn’t the beginning of a bad trend.
It’s a game where the 2022 JH would
Have helped for sure
 
The guys that were in there were clearly not getting it done. It was worth a shot to put Santos in there.

Just as important, we are going to need him for some minutes down the stretch, ACCT for sure, and maybe post-season. Capel does not need to ruin the kid's confidence. Thats' two games in a row where he hasn't logged any important minutes like he was earlier in year.
He isn’t gonna be back
 
He isn’t gonna be back
Understood.

Thought that Santos style could have helped today with the bigger guys VT had and his experience.

Even so. Hate to see Capel shorten his bench too much. Been a long season and guys get tired. Need confident guys coming off bench. Part of the reason for his past mid season swoons. Hopefully, not a late season swoon this year!
 
Understood.

Thought that Santos style could have helped today with the bigger guys VT had and his experience.

Even so. Hate to see Capel shorten his bench too much. Been a long season and guys get tired. Need confident guys coming off bench. Part of the reason for his past mid season swoons. Hopefully, not a late season swoon this year!
I don’t think so on the swoon. They lost the spread by 1.5. Tough to win on the road.

That’s just a guess on santos but you would hope that they’d find better in the portal and he’d want to go to a MM and find a bigger role.
 
I remain impressed that our guys have yet to be run out of the gym in conference play this season. Wasn't our night, and almost every starter was in foul trouble. Only losing by 7 on the road, under those circumstances, shows we have some fight. ACC sucks, and I get that... But 12-4. I think we'll probably finish 2-2 (beat GT, lose to Miami, and then either lose to Syracuse or a ND team that gets hot) to go 14-6, and I would be totally fine with that.
 
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** Completing these post game ritualistic musings sure has been so much more fun as the year has progressed than I would have expected early in the season. And writing during this season overall has brought me more pleasure to date than in the last six seasons combined.

** So I’m not going to complain about having to labor through my words for this game. Still, this wasn’t very much fun.

** I will say that I was looking forward to this game because it gave us a perfect chance to prove the laptops, the NET, the oddsmakers and bracketologists wrong.

** Heck, even three of the five PantherLair predicted a loss for the good guys today. There’s a good reason for that of course. Winning on the road in College Hoops is hard. Generally speaking, it’s harder in College Basketball than it is in just about any other sport.

** And while we are a pretty darn good team, we are not a great team and this day our imperfections were brought forth at the Cassell.

** One of the laptop favorites, Ken Pomeroy has the Panthers ranked around the #80 spot defensively and that’s about where we played today. Getting called for 24 fouls was certainly a big part of it, and while that number seems excessive, I was pretty hard pressed to see any that didn’t look like pretty clear fouls.

** But more than the fouls, what bothered me more on the defensive end is the number of back door layups and/or uncontested looks the Hokies got in the paint. And at worst, when the Panther were looking for stops for chances to cut the lead to six or even four in the final minutes, the Panthers were ruptured for dunks in the half court. Tsk, Tsk!

** On the road, it’s often a little tough to bring your best energy. What the Panthers have been able to do this year is garner some energy from there shooting. But Va Tech planned to take us out of our shooting game, and they executed well.

** Overall, this wasn’t a terrible offensive effort though. 72 points, and 42 in the second half is nothing to sneeze at. It’s actually fairly impressive scoring that many when Hinson only notched 4 and we only sunk three threes. But it’s not a coincidence there was a seven point difference at the foul line and a seven point difference in the final score.

** Credit needs to go to Nelly Cummings for one of his best all around offensive games this year. He took the right shots and got plenty for others.

** I was also pleased with the scoring the Twins were able to get for us when things looked most bleak because of Blake and Fede’s foul trouble. But they too just didn’t have it on the other end.

** It’s bad form to pile on Blake during his tough day, especially because he was just trying the make a play, but the charge that fouled him out was just a terrible decision. Not only did it send him out of the game for good, but it was also a chance to cut the lead to 8 just as that it felt like the Panthers were gaining a smidge of momentum.

** But that’s what happens on the road in College Basketball.

** So for now, it’s another week of complaining about the absurdity of the NET rankings and the AP voters who failed to place the Panthers in their Top 25.

** For my money, I’ll be happy enough to continue complaining about such things all the way to an NCAA Tournament berth.

** So let’s come home and win a pair to keep us on that path. If we can do so, I know I won’t have a very difficult time finding fun words to describe it.
Yeah. I think Blake was trying to do too much. That final charge was infuriating. One step to the right and he is wide open in the lane. There were also a few times Blake took really stupid shots early in the shot clock. That being said Tuesday is another day.
 
Yeah. I think Blake was trying to do too much. That final charge was infuriating. One step to the right and he is wide open in the lane. There were also a few times Blake took really stupid shots early in the shot clock. That being said Tuesday is another day.
W/R/T early 3’s by Blake, sometimes those are the most open shot you’re gonna get, he’s made a lot of those this year, and sometimes you’re hurting the team not taking those wide open 3’s. I listened yesterday so I can’t speak to what type of shots those were but just offering that rebuttal to your criticism.
 
Give Va. T credit for playing tough D . They took the three point shot away allowing Pitt to only shoot 16.7% from behind the arc and played tough D on Burton . They deserved to win this game .

This was a game that Pitt needed a big tough guy inside , but this team doesn’t need a John Hugley !

I love the twins , but as they are presently built Pitt can’t have Fede in early foul trouble . They’re simply not strong enough .

Pitt cannot win against any quality team without shooting the three well , maybe next yr will be different if Fede continues to improve his offense , but not this yr .

With the way Pitt was shooting the three what would’ve been the downside of trying Santos . Maybe he was injured or wasn’t feeling well …who knows . As far as his future at Pitt anyone not seeing serious minutes after two yrs needs to decide how important PT is to them . If he wants PT then he needs to move on .

Pitt wasn’t going to run the table , no need to panic . This is a good bb team , but they’re not an all time great team stacked at every position , they will lose more games this season . Their play has far exceeded the most optimistic fans wildest dreams , let’s enjoy the process of Pitt becoming relevant in bb again .
 
This was a game that Pitt needed a big tough guy inside , but this team doesn’t need a John Hugley !
They absolutely needed another guy inside behind Fede. They absolutely did not need John Hugley. Would’ve turned a close contest into a blowout with his defense and inefficiency on offense.
 
It’s almost like some on here expect us to be undefeated and if not it’s some reflection on the head coach not making “adjustments”.

I mean have some perspective. Techs a decent team. Purdue lost by 30 to Maryland this week. Teams lose on the road.
 
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Totally - I thought that would have been abundantly clear. He was in during the last 23 seconds and Va Tech hit a three near the end of their possession. Of course I would not look at this as any indictment of Nate’s play. To think it was would have been so silly which is why I thought the joke would have been clear. Obviously @Joe the Panther Fan understood the joke immediately.
 
It’s almost like some on here expect us to be undefeated and if not it’s some reflection on the head coach not making “adjustments”.

I mean have some perspective. Techs a decent team. Purdue lost by 30 to Maryland this week. Teams lose on the road.
Agree completely.
 
I don’t think so on the swoon. They lost the spread by 1.5. Tough to win on the road.

That’s just a guess on santos but you would hope that they’d find better in the portal and he’d want to go to a MM and find a bigger role.
Just one other comment on the team. Ties in with Santos to a lesser degree I realize but still applicable....

One thing that I think we all can agree on is that different players have stepped up at different times AND in different ways to help this team win when someone is struggling. Nelly at UNC for example.

Well, Although Nate has not become the three-point threat that we all hoped he would become, he has contributed valuable minutes as a role player throughout the year. Whether it be through rebounding, eating fouls, being physical, or hitting a runner late in the first half vs. someone that I can't remember at this time! He has been a part of this team's success THIS year. I have no problem with improving this team for next year by letting Nate walk but for right now, we need him, and we need him to be confident. Now is not the time to shut him out. have a talk at the end of the year and say that we'd like to move on if need be.
 
They absolutely needed another guy inside behind Fede. They absolutely did not need John Hugley. Would’ve turned a close contest into a blowout with his defense and inefficiency on offense.
Yes ,because Hugley is responsible for every loss the last three yrs even if he didn’t play in the game !
 
Is that why you "liked" Bballinsider's comment that Nate wouldn't be back?
Haha - with you saying this, I realized I touched like by accident. I did not mean to and I’ve now “unliked” it. I never use “likes” because I think it’s meaning can be misconstrued just like it was here. Instead my preference is to reply in words with my actual meaning.

And for the record, I would not like it if Nate left after the season.
 
Haha - with you saying this, I realized I touched like by accident. I did not mean to and I’ve now “unliked” it. I never use “likes” because I think it’s meaning can be misconstrued just like it was here. Instead my preference is to reply in words with my actual meaning.

And for the record, I would not like it if Nate left after the season.
Come on DT. Do you at least use the heart eyes emojis?
 
Just one other comment on the team. Ties in with Santos to a lesser degree I realize but still applicable....

One thing that I think we all can agree on is that different players have stepped up at different times AND in different ways to help this team win when someone is struggling. Nelly at UNC for example.

Well, Although Nate has not become the three-point threat that we all hoped he would become, he has contributed valuable minutes as a role player throughout the year. Whether it be through rebounding, eating fouls, being physical, or hitting a runner late in the first half vs. someone that I can't remember at this time! He has been a part of this team's success THIS year. I have no problem with improving this team for next year by letting Nate walk but for right now, we need him, and we need him to be confident. Now is not the time to shut him out. have a talk at the end of the year and say that we'd like to move on if need be.
My hope is that Nate stays. I believe reports that he shoots the three very well in practice which tells me his issue is all confidence. And confidence comes with experience. I don’t think he’ll ever be a starter but he could be a bigger contributor than he is now. That’s ok I’m my opinion. You can’t have 13 starters on your roster.

Unfortunately with the way college hoops is now, players transfer to where they are starters.
 
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Haha - with you saying this, I realized I touched like by accident. I did not mean to and I’ve now “unliked” it. I never use “likes” because I think it’s meaning can be misconstrued just like it was here. Instead my preference is to reply in words with my actual meaning.

And for the record, I would not like it if Nate left after the season.
Nate and Will returning next season adds needed experience and depth
 
I remain impressed that our guys have yet to be run out of the gym in conference play this season. Wasn't our night, and almost every starter was in foul trouble. Only losing by 7 on the road, under those circumstances, shows we have some fight. ACC sucks, and I get that... But 12-4. I think we'll probably finish 2-2 (beat GT, lose to Miami, and then either lose to Syracuse or a ND team that gets hot) to go 14-6, and I would be totally fine with that.
Agree we probably finish 2-2. However, I don't believe the ACC sucks. Maybe in comparison to the big 12 it does, but, it is no worse than any of the others. I think Miami is our best team, and I think they are as good or better than any team from the big 10 or SEC.
 
Agree we probably finish 2-2. However, I don't believe the ACC sucks. Maybe in comparison to the big 12 it does, but, it is no worse than any of the others. I think Miami is our best team, and I think they are as good or better than any team from the big 10 or SEC.

2-2 to finish the season is a reasonable expectation. 3-1 is being optimistic.
 
Pitt cannot win against any quality team without shooting the three well


We beat NC State shooting 6-22 and North Carolina the first time shooting 5-25.

We can quibble about what "shooting the three well" means and which teams are "quality", but we shot 7-22 when we beat Virginia, 6-20 when we beat Georgia Tech and 10-31 when we beat Florida State.
 
We beat NC State shooting 6-22 and North Carolina the first time shooting 5-25.

We can quibble about what "shooting the three well" means and which teams are "quality", but we shot 7-22 when we beat Virginia, 6-20 when we beat Georgia Tech and 10-31 when we beat Florida State.
This is part of his insane obsession with John Hugley.
 
Give Va. T credit for playing tough D . They took the three point shot away allowing Pitt to only shoot 16.7% from behind the arc and played tough D on Burton . They deserved to win this game .

This was a game that Pitt needed a big tough guy inside , but this team doesn’t need a John Hugley !

I love the twins , but as they are presently built Pitt can’t have Fede in early foul trouble . They’re simply not strong enough .

Pitt cannot win against any quality team without shooting the three well , maybe next yr will be different if Fede continues to improve his offense , but not this yr .

With the way Pitt was shooting the three what would’ve been the downside of trying Santos . Maybe he was injured or wasn’t feeling well …who knows . As far as his future at Pitt anyone not seeing serious minutes after two yrs needs to decide how important PT is to them . If he wants PT then he needs to move on .

Pitt wasn’t going to run the table , no need to panic . This is a good bb team , but they’re not an all time great team stacked at every position , they will lose more games this season . Their play has far exceeded the most optimistic fans wildest dreams , let’s enjoy the process of Pitt becoming relevant in bb again .

I thought they sat Fede too long. Analytics say dont sit your guy due to foul trouble because all parts of the game are equally important so it doesn't make sense to save someone for the end. I would have came back with him with 10 minutes left and if he fouled out then, so be it. I dont like sitting guys for fouls anymore.
 
It also folds in with SMF's insane rants that if you shoot three pointers better than the other guys you will win, as if there isn't anything else to the game.

There's more to it but if you shoot 3s significantly better than your opponent, you are going to win 75% of the time, probably more than that. You disagree with that. College basketball isnt ALL 3 point shooting. But its mostly 3 point shooting. Make your 3s. Dont let the other team make their 3s and you will win. This is an all-time L for you. Your constant denial of 3 point shooting is one of the worst takes in board history.
 
There's more to it but if you shoot 3s significantly better than your opponent, you are going to win 75% of the time, probably more than that. You disagree with that. College basketball isnt ALL 3 point shooting. But its mostly 3 point shooting. Make your 3s. Dont let the other team make their 3s and you will win.


Actually, YOU have been the one all along saying that that IS all there is too it, when just about everyone else has been trying to tell you that there is more to it than that.

Of course shooting threes well helps. Of course limiting the other team's threes helps. So does rebounding the basketball. So does not turning the ball over. So does forcing a lot of turnovers. So does getting to the line and making foul shots, and limiting your opponent getting to the line and therefore making foul shots. So does shooring twos. And limiting the other team when they shoot their twos. And, well, you get the idea.

Or maybe not you, but the rest of us.
 
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We are going to be favored by at least five or six in three of the four games, so 3-1 isn't being optimistic, it's what should be expected.

I believe a couple of those games are on the road, including Miami and ND. There are no easy road games in the ACC. I agree....I'm expecting 3-1 down the stretch. But I also know I'm normally optimistic. Remember that the road game against ND will be Brey's last game in front of the home crowd. That won't be easy.
 
I believe a couple of those games are on the road, including Miami and ND. There are no easy road games in the ACC. I agree....I'm expecting 3-1 down the stretch. But I also know I'm normally optimistic.


Miami is the one that we are not going to be favored in. But we will be approximately as large a favorite at Notre Dame as Miami will be when we play them on their court.
 
We are going to be favored by at least five or six in three of the four games, so 3-1 isn't being optimistic, it's what should be expected.

Being favored by five in three games doesn't produce a probability of winning all three, though. What's the highest win probability of the three - 65%, at most?

Not that beating Miami is impossible, either, but I still think they're simply the better team.
 
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