James Harrison beating his woman was far worse. But Rooney said he was doing a good thing so they cut Cedric Wilson but not Harrison. Spare me the Steeler way rubbish.
Who knew Pickens was a comedian
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There’s one way not to be embarrassed by knuckle heads like this. Don’t draft them when you know they have been knuckleheads But ya know the Steeler way will turn these clowns around. Loll
Another TD drop yesterday. That’s two TD drops in 3 games as well as a few other drops as well. Did Dionte leave the dropsome curse in George’s locker when he left? George didn’t run routes last year either, but I don’t remember him dropping balls. Maybe I have a short memory though.
George has to be the most overhyped receiver in the league.
What you call drops is pretty funny .
Contested catches aren’t them
Cut him . He’s not the problem with the offense
He had a horrible third down drop early in the game, too.
I'm not impressed by him at all. Steelers need to start drafting WR early and often. Can't depend on Pickens going forward.
steelers need to stop drafting WRs cause they SUCK at it. time to find them another way because drafting them out of college isnt working..
Scoreboard bro. He didn’t light it up, and the drops are official in the record books. So don’t blame me, blame the stat keepers. These are drops that every average receiver in the league is expected to make and does make. He’s not making them. Which is odd for a guy anointed superstar status by some.
Disagree. They should keep taking chances on knuckleheads in the mid-rounds, blowing up their stats, and then trade them for better picks. The Claypool model.
They probably could have gotten a 1st for Pickens in the offseason. If they knew he was a problem, they could potentially have cashed out on him and gotten someone like Brian Thomas Jr.
You need a lot of WR and they're very valuable. Keep pulling the trigger. But when a dude shows you signs of being a malcontent, you gotta get out early.
Instead of open ****ing always he should have had catching ****ing sometimes
They knew he and Johnson were head cases before they drafted them. Maybe in the future draft someone who isn’t a head case but I guess that’s no longer the Steeler way
Poni tweeted another one that I thought was a tough catch and he blamed Pickens. I’m not sure if it went in books as a drop though. I think he had 2-3 official drops for the game. The 3rd down drop last week killed a drive and took points off the board. And then there’s the TD he didn’t catch against the colts. These are all balls that a #1 receiver needs to catch. He’s not only supposed to be a professional, but he’s also counted on to be the #1 guy.
The way he’s playing right now, we don’t have a #1 guy. I felt this way last year too, although I don’t remember as many drops but I certainly remember contested catches.
the only way Pickens succeeds is if we get a WR#1 and move him to #2 with limited route running. he's not a 1, never will be a 1 and making him be a 1 is just failure..
of course finding a real WR1 is costly, probably too costly for us..
of course finding a real WR1 is costly, probably too costly for us..
Yeah I didn't blame him for this one. Tough catch at the sideline, DB is probably holding him and committing PI, and then gets hands in at the end. I guess you can blame Pickens for not getting any separation but that seems iffy to me. I certainly didn't see the whole route to ha
The one you showed was EASY though. Hell, I could have made that one.
If they could have gotten a first rounder they would have traded him .
Instead what teams seem to want a first from the Steelers plus Pickens for a WR1.
We traded away a WR1 who is having a good year for a terrible team in Carolina .
I don't think that's necessarily true. It's hard to trade your WR1, especially as a competing team. It's very reasonable to think they could get a 1 for Pickens but they still wouldn't do it because then you have literally no talented and experienced WRs on a team that they think can compete for a division title.
It's not so much the drops but the guys that are the best make the tougher-to-catch passes look routine.
Can you give me a short list of those guys ?
Particularly for less that $2mil per year ?
So you want me to give you a list of the most valuable kind of player in the NFL that are playing for well below market value? That's kind of funny.
i love the justification of pickens bad play because he's under a rookie contract, like it makes his poor play and worse attitude, giving up on plays, jogging during routes and quitting on his team ok just because the nfl players union in the nfl is weak.
Yes .
Since that’s the context Pickens should be judged .
He’s not getting paid $13mil+ per year to be in the top 32 WRs now
Nah -
If you’re gonna say “top receivers make these catches regularly “
I’d like to have a list and compare the value .
It’s ridiculous to compare him to elite receivers , and nobody is claiming he is one .
So we're to judge him in the context of average WR's on their first contract? Okay...
George Pickens is one of the best young mediocre WR's in the NFL. Better?
so in other words, he's a mediocre NFL WR#2 lol. i mean, we are all kind of saying the same thing, arent we?
you cant cut him, not even sure you can bench him at this point. you just have to have realistic expectations for him and what he is as a player, physically and mentally. - emotionally. that's why, if the steelers really want to have a chance at doing anything in the playoffs, you might have to over-buy someone like Adams..
get Pickens back into the WR2 role, where he belongs.
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So - you don’t want to list sorme receivers ?
Just say you like to make claims be refuse to back them
Up.
It’s fairly common here
Right, you're trying to move the conversation towards a "gotcha" that has very little to do with what we're discussing. I said that the best guys make difficult plays look easy. I even downplayed the drops. You're trying so hard to defend something that I'm not even sure you believe but your inability to understand the particulars of the conversation is also a fairly common problem.
No-
I’m moving it towards asking a follow up question to a statement you made .
Who do you consider Pickens peers at WR so we can actually look at the production comparatively .
Make vague assertions makes for boring discussion .
It's not a vague assertion. Asking me to compare Pickens to his peers has very little to do with whether or not the better WR's make difficult plays look routine. I don't think anyone is going to argue that.
Pickens is the Steelers #1 receiver, right? His targets say so, and he seems to think so, so those are his "peers". There are 18 guys with more receiving yards. When you include guys that started the season hurt or who have injuries, he drops even further down the list when you look at yards per game. Is he doing anything extraordinary after he catches the ball? Again, no. Only 67 YAC in six games. Takes plays off. Is problematic enough that they're, umm, "managing his workload". Give me a break. The guy just isn't what you want him to be. Can he be? Don't know. Hasn't shown that other than the occasional big play.
If you want to argue that the Steelers have put him in a bad position to succeed, so be it. They've done that to a lot of players under Tomlin and they've gone on to thrive elsewhere.
So who are the peer receivers?
What metric are you using to judge difficult catches looking routine ?
What I think is happening ? You’re a stiller fan , so like most fans you’re hyper focused on flaws of our players .
It’s pretty common .
Instead of looking at the broader context of similar players performance who’s highlights you only see .
As noted - I’m consistent in viewing players performance relative to their compensation .
Pickens can be frustrating . But he’s also cheap and has been the best receiver on this team for 2 years - including outperforming the WR1 who was still on a reasonable salary - which made trading DJ an option for a CB .
Ask me again. I just provided you with his standing amongst the league's #1 receivers. At best, he's the 18th best pass catcher in the league. I really have no idea what compensation has to do with it. Most guys in Pickens' position are hoping to cash in with a big extension next year. Instead, he's playing like a guy that will be looking for a 2-year deal as a #3.
I have no idea why you think you have so much insight into why a player who is obviously struggling is so much better than what anybody around football would argue. His own team limited his playing time because of performance and attitude. They were out there throwing to him in garbage time last week just to build stats? Also, being the best WR on the Steeler has hardly been a banner anyone would be willing to fly. It's like being the tallest midget in an ass kicking contest.
Also, it's really a tired and lazy argument to say that a fan of a certain team can only see things with blinders when it comes to a player.
So all this consternation to say he’s in the top 18-30 receivers which makes him a WR1 on a really cheap contract , unlike other peers
That makes him a mediocre WR1 which is what everyone has been trying to tell you. Cheap is irrelevant.
Nah
I’ve said he’s a wr1 .
Others disagreed with that notion
Including you
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