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Wounded Lions-- My Book Report

Hailpitt

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I just finished Ronald Smith book regarding the Paterno/Sandusky
pedophilia scandal. Mr Smith was a long time professor at PSU (joined faculty around 1966-67) who largely does a fair presentation of of the scandal and the psu culture that ultimately led to the occurrence of the scandal (although hints of his defensiveness do leak through at times). Mr Smith would have been better served by an editor because the book definitely needs to be "tightened up." However, he does ultimately conclude that the Big 4 (Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno) failed morally and legally. The following are some interesting tidbits gleaned from the book:
1. From it earliest days psu viewed Pitt as big brother. PSU constantly measured its academic rep vs Pitt and used Pitt as the standard it had to achieve. Interestingly, the 1970s jo pa could not stand having wvu on psu's schedule and considered wvu a backwater school with idiots. Jo pa believed that wvu undermined psu's academic rep.
2. Athletically psu viewed Pitt as the ultimate measuring stick. Beginning at about 1901 onward psu scheduled games at Pitt because the revenue from these games essentially constituted psu's entire athletic budget. Also, most psu grad until late 1960 matriculated to jobs in Pittsburgh; hence psu viewed the game as a way to touch base with its largest alumni group.
3. As an example of psu's little brother attitude, their most successful coach in the 1920's thru mid- 1930s was a guy names Bedzek. Bedeck won over 85% of the psu games he coached (at one time won 30 in a row), but he could not beat Sutherland's Pitt teams. Other psu coaches in early 1900's were fired for the same reason. Despite his record of success (including major bowl games --Rose, Orange etc) psu fired him because he could not beat Pitt. PSU dropped Pitt from its schedule in the 1930s because they could not beat Pitt. Interestingly, until the 1970s psu used to play a very lackluster schedule which consisted mostly of schools like Gettysburg, Moravian, Dickenson and the like.
4. Beginning in 1901 psu began offering 75 football scholarships per year while no other schools offered athletic scholarships. Eventually in the 1920s some teams began to offer between 10 and 30 scholarships while psu kept theirs at 75 (yes the football only culture was there from the beginning).
5. At one point in the 1920s (at the time the Ivy league schools were football powerhouses) psu sought to join the ivy league conference. LOL, psu never received a response back to their request.
6. Jo Pa's predecessor, Rip Engle, was truly committed to academic excellence. Engle never had a player admitted who did not meet psu's entrance requirement. In contrast, Jo pa relied on what were referred to as a "Presidential Admit" scheme where more that a third of his football roster did not qualify for admittance but were admitted on an exception basis by the University president (essentially jo pa ran his recruiting admittance practice like an SEC school). All the while jo pa would criticize Sherrill, Switzer, et.al., and pontificate at conferences about psu's rigorous admission standards. Less than 5 % of these "presidential admits" ever graduated, but it was never explained why this never adversely impacted the overall football grad rates.
7. The book confirms that jo pa had complete control over the players. University & State College officers would never charge football players and simply report them to jo pa, who in turn would "punish them within the team. Interestingly, the book reminds us of Anwar Phillips who was suspended from school beginning the second semester from psu for raping and assaulting a coed. Jo Pa played Phillips in the Orange Bowl since the second semester did not start until 3 days after the Orange Bowl. When confronted about it Jo pa simply replied..."its none of your business" and the local press and Pittsburgh/Philly media never pursued it. Several weeks later when psu formally expelled Phillips from school due to the rape Jo pa's press release simply stated that Phillips was leaving school for "personal reasons." The author infers that "Phillips" event was not an uncommon occurrence.
8. Although psu did not report Cleary violations throughout his coaching tenure the author advises that many unreported assaults and rapes occurred under Jo Pa's watch. The author indicates that although the football team constituted around 2% of the student body a conservative estimate is that psu football players perpetrated almost 25% of the serious assaults, rapes and rimes on campus.
9. The author freely admits that jo pa had unfettered power that went unchallenged throughout his coaching tenure. The author does recount the well known attempt in 2004 when the university president, athletic director and Chair of psu's board of trustees went to jo pa to tell him it was time to step down. Jo pa told them to "stuff it" and they meekly left his home. Similarly, in 2007, the woman who headed up psu's student affairs (Tripony) sought to have football players be subject the same code as other students, including disciplinary measure. Jo pa rejected her argument and advised the university president he would cease participation in all psu fund raising efforts unless Tripony was immediately removed. Shortly after Tripony was told to leave.
10. The author explains that contrary to the Paterno family assertion (that Jo pa "despised Sandusky"), Jo pa and Sandusky had a very cordial and close relationship.
11. The Big 10 had much difficulty in admitting psu. Largely did not think its academic profile was suitable for the Big 10 and the Big 10 looked at admitting academically superior schools like Pitt or Cuse along with psu in order to make it easier to swallow the academically deficient psu.
12. The emails concerning the first Sandusky incident (in 1998) clearly show jo pa was involved in the process to make it go away.
13. The author laughs at jo pa's contention that he did not understand "the rape of man" and therefore did not understand the gravity of McQueary's report.
 
I literally belly laughed the first time I heard one of these idiot apologists - including many in the media - try to make the ABSURD claim that "Joe" (they all call him by his first name as though they actually know him personally) couldn't have understood what child molestation meant at his age.

You talk about just throwing shitt at the wall and praying it sticks...That's just well beyond the pale of insanity.

Here's a guy who was with it enough to run a billion dollar operation and compete at the highest levels of college football - one of the most competitive industries in America - but when it came to protecting children, he suddenly became barely lucid.

WTF?!

LOL! Uh, no. That's more obvious bullshitt from the hub of such things.
 
I just finished Ronald Smith book regarding the Paterno/Sandusky
pedophilia scandal. Mr Smith was a long time professor at PSU (joined faculty around 1966-67) who largely does a fair presentation of of the scandal and the psu culture that ultimately led to the occurrence of the scandal (although hints of his defensiveness do leak through at times). Mr Smith would have been better served by an editor because the book definitely needs to be "tightened up." However, he does ultimately conclude that the Big 4 (Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno) failed morally and legally. The following are some interesting tidbits gleaned from the book:
1. From it earliest days psu viewed Pitt as big brother. PSU constantly measured its academic rep vs Pitt and used Pitt as the standard it had to achieve. Interestingly, the 1970s jo pa could not stand having wvu on psu's schedule and considered wvu a backwater school with idiots. Jo pa believed that wvu undermined psu's academic rep.
2. Athletically psu viewed Pitt as the ultimate measuring stick. Beginning at about 1901 onward psu scheduled games at Pitt because the revenue from these games essentially constituted psu's entire athletic budget. Also, most psu grad until late 1960 matriculated to jobs in Pittsburgh; hence psu viewed the game as a way to touch base with its largest alumni group.
3. As an example of psu's little brother attitude, their most successful coach in the 1920's thru mid- 1930s was a guy names Bedzek. Bedeck won over 85% of the psu games he coached (at one time won 30 in a row), but he could not beat Sutherland's Pitt teams. Other psu coaches in early 1900's were fired for the same reason. Despite his record of success (including major bowl games --Rose, Orange etc) psu fired him because he could not beat Pitt. PSU dropped Pitt from its schedule in the 1930s because they could not beat Pitt. Interestingly, until the 1970s psu used to play a very lackluster schedule which consisted mostly of schools like Gettysburg, Moravian, Dickenson and the like.
4. Beginning in 1901 psu began offering 75 football scholarships per year while no other schools offered athletic scholarships. Eventually in the 1920s some teams began to offer between 10 and 30 scholarships while psu kept theirs at 75 (yes the football only culture was there from the beginning).
5. At one point in the 1920s (at the time the Ivy league schools were football powerhouses) psu sought to join the ivy league conference. LOL, psu never received a response back to their request.
6. Jo Pa's predecessor, Rip Engle, was truly committed to academic excellence. Engle never had a player admitted who did not meet psu's entrance requirement. In contrast, Jo pa relied on what were referred to as a "Presidential Admit" scheme where more that a third of his football roster did not qualify for admittance but were admitted on an exception basis by the University president (essentially jo pa ran his recruiting admittance practice like an SEC school). All the while jo pa would criticize Sherrill, Switzer, et.al., and pontificate at conferences about psu's rigorous admission standards. Less than 5 % of these "presidential admits" ever graduated, but it was never explained why this never adversely impacted the overall football grad rates.
7. The book confirms that jo pa had complete control over the players. University & State College officers would never charge football players and simply report them to jo pa, who in turn would "punish them within the team. Interestingly, the book reminds us of Anwar Phillips who was suspended from school beginning the second semester from psu for raping and assaulting a coed. Jo Pa played Phillips in the Orange Bowl since the second semester did not start until 3 days after the Orange Bowl. When confronted about it Jo pa simply replied..."its none of your business" and the local press and Pittsburgh/Philly media never pursued it. Several weeks later when psu formally expelled Phillips from school due to the rape Jo pa's press release simply stated that Phillips was leaving school for "personal reasons." The author infers that "Phillips" event was not an uncommon occurrence.
8. Although psu did not report Cleary violations throughout his coaching tenure the author advises that many unreported assaults and rapes occurred under Jo Pa's watch. The author indicates that although the football team constituted around 2% of the student body a conservative estimate is that psu football players perpetrated almost 25% of the serious assaults, rapes and rimes on campus.
9. The author freely admits that jo pa had unfettered power that went unchallenged throughout his coaching tenure. The author does recount the well known attempt in 2004 when the university president, athletic director and Chair of psu's board of trustees went to jo pa to tell him it was time to step down. Jo pa told them to "stuff it" and they meekly left his home. Similarly, in 2007, the woman who headed up psu's student affairs (Tripony) sought to have football players be subject the same code as other students, including disciplinary measure. Jo pa rejected her argument and advised the university president he would cease participation in all psu fund raising efforts unless Tripony was immediately removed. Shortly after Tripony was told to leave.
10. The author explains that contrary to the Paterno family assertion (that Jo pa "despised Sandusky"), Jo pa and Sandusky had a very cordial and close relationship.
11. The Big 10 had much difficulty in admitting psu. Largely did not think its academic profile was suitable for the Big 10 and the Big 10 looked at admitting academically superior schools like Pitt or Cuse along with psu in order to make it easier to swallow the academically deficient psu.
12. The emails concerning the first Sandusky incident (in 1998) clearly show jo pa was involved in the process to make it go away.
13. The author laughs at jo pa's contention that he did not understand "the rape of man" and therefore did not understand the gravity of McQueary's report.
Superb Posting, one of the Best ever read on the Lair. Actually captures the Insecure Inferiority Complex that caused many at Penn State University to create myths, slogans, and propaganda beliefs that cause them to fall for many fallacies about how Penn State was superior, special, and the need to put down other Universities, Alumni, and Programs not just at Pitt, but at PENN, Temple, Michigan, Alabama, Miami, Notre Dame, and Ohio State.

They had to tear down others to build themselves up, and Paterno was guilty of it too. Yet, when investigated by many outside and university inside Organizations, Authorities, and Independent Media, Faculties, and Authors they still cannot believe they were the biggest violators.

Or how they created their own problems, and now blame many at Penn State and elsewhere that have been cleaning it up. This is seen by the various Lawsuits and not just the Criminal Charges, but on the same of level of consensus by the world media that it is The Worst Sports Scandal In History and it happen during the Paterno Era!


Finally, no matter how much others at Penn State are trying to overcome and put in reforms to make sure it does not happen again. The biggest obstacles are the Alumni and Fan Base that grew up on false beliefs, myths, and made up slogans they thought they made them and Penn State they can't stand to accept. Now blame each others, McQueary, Victims, Victim's Lawyers, Freeh, NCAA, Big Ten, Media, and fellow Penn Staters when it is their fear of their crooked answers from a lack of faith in cross questions that cause the very tears in not even knowing the lies told on orientation day on WE ARE, was a never were and can't deal with many realities bout their own flaws, downfalls, and all?

Thank you!
 
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I just finished Ronald Smith book regarding the Paterno/Sandusky
pedophilia scandal. Mr Smith was a long time professor at PSU (joined faculty around 1966-67) who largely does a fair presentation of of the scandal and the psu culture that ultimately led to the occurrence of the scandal (although hints of his defensiveness do leak through at times). Mr Smith would have been better served by an editor because the book definitely needs to be "tightened up." However, he does ultimately conclude that the Big 4 (Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno) failed morally and legally. The following are some interesting tidbits gleaned from the book:
1. From it earliest days psu viewed Pitt as big brother. PSU constantly measured its academic rep vs Pitt and used Pitt as the standard it had to achieve. Interestingly, the 1970s jo pa could not stand having wvu on psu's schedule and considered wvu a backwater school with idiots. Jo pa believed that wvu undermined psu's academic rep.
2. Athletically psu viewed Pitt as the ultimate measuring stick. Beginning at about 1901 onward psu scheduled games at Pitt because the revenue from these games essentially constituted psu's entire athletic budget. Also, most psu grad until late 1960 matriculated to jobs in Pittsburgh; hence psu viewed the game as a way to touch base with its largest alumni group.
3. As an example of psu's little brother attitude, their most successful coach in the 1920's thru mid- 1930s was a guy names Bedzek. Bedeck won over 85% of the psu games he coached (at one time won 30 in a row), but he could not beat Sutherland's Pitt teams. Other psu coaches in early 1900's were fired for the same reason. Despite his record of success (including major bowl games --Rose, Orange etc) psu fired him because he could not beat Pitt. PSU dropped Pitt from its schedule in the 1930s because they could not beat Pitt. Interestingly, until the 1970s psu used to play a very lackluster schedule which consisted mostly of schools like Gettysburg, Moravian, Dickenson and the like.
4. Beginning in 1901 psu began offering 75 football scholarships per year while no other schools offered athletic scholarships. Eventually in the 1920s some teams began to offer between 10 and 30 scholarships while psu kept theirs at 75 (yes the football only culture was there from the beginning).
5. At one point in the 1920s (at the time the Ivy league schools were football powerhouses) psu sought to join the ivy league conference. LOL, psu never received a response back to their request.
6. Jo Pa's predecessor, Rip Engle, was truly committed to academic excellence. Engle never had a player admitted who did not meet psu's entrance requirement. In contrast, Jo pa relied on what were referred to as a "Presidential Admit" scheme where more that a third of his football roster did not qualify for admittance but were admitted on an exception basis by the University president (essentially jo pa ran his recruiting admittance practice like an SEC school). All the while jo pa would criticize Sherrill, Switzer, et.al., and pontificate at conferences about psu's rigorous admission standards. Less than 5 % of these "presidential admits" ever graduated, but it was never explained why this never adversely impacted the overall football grad rates.
7. The book confirms that jo pa had complete control over the players. University & State College officers would never charge football players and simply report them to jo pa, who in turn would "punish them within the team. Interestingly, the book reminds us of Anwar Phillips who was suspended from school beginning the second semester from psu for raping and assaulting a coed. Jo Pa played Phillips in the Orange Bowl since the second semester did not start until 3 days after the Orange Bowl. When confronted about it Jo pa simply replied..."its none of your business" and the local press and Pittsburgh/Philly media never pursued it. Several weeks later when psu formally expelled Phillips from school due to the rape Jo pa's press release simply stated that Phillips was leaving school for "personal reasons." The author infers that "Phillips" event was not an uncommon occurrence.
8. Although psu did not report Cleary violations throughout his coaching tenure the author advises that many unreported assaults and rapes occurred under Jo Pa's watch. The author indicates that although the football team constituted around 2% of the student body a conservative estimate is that psu football players perpetrated almost 25% of the serious assaults, rapes and rimes on campus.
9. The author freely admits that jo pa had unfettered power that went unchallenged throughout his coaching tenure. The author does recount the well known attempt in 2004 when the university president, athletic director and Chair of psu's board of trustees went to jo pa to tell him it was time to step down. Jo pa told them to "stuff it" and they meekly left his home. Similarly, in 2007, the woman who headed up psu's student affairs (Tripony) sought to have football players be subject the same code as other students, including disciplinary measure. Jo pa rejected her argument and advised the university president he would cease participation in all psu fund raising efforts unless Tripony was immediately removed. Shortly after Tripony was told to leave.
10. The author explains that contrary to the Paterno family assertion (that Jo pa "despised Sandusky"), Jo pa and Sandusky had a very cordial and close relationship.
11. The Big 10 had much difficulty in admitting psu. Largely did not think its academic profile was suitable for the Big 10 and the Big 10 looked at admitting academically superior schools like Pitt or Cuse along with psu in order to make it easier to swallow the academically deficient psu.
12. The emails concerning the first Sandusky incident (in 1998) clearly show jo pa was involved in the process to make it go away.
13. The author laughs at jo pa's contention that he did not understand "the rape of man" and therefore did not understand the gravity of McQueary's report.

I see what you mean by needing an editor. I have waded my way thru around 80 pages and haven't gotten into the more current situation.

The one thing that does jump out so far is that the Athletic arm of the school was allowed to become a separate school in and of itself, thereby circumventing minor things like academic and behavioral control from the University.
 
"wbrpanther, post: 1023660, member: 206"]I see what you mean by needing an editor. I have waded my way thru around 80 pages and haven't gotten into the more current situation.

The one thing that does jump out so far is that the Athletic arm of the school was allowed to become a separate school in and of itself, thereby circumventing minor things like academic and behavioral control from the University.
:oops::eek::(:mad:So True!o_O:(:confused::rolleyes:
 
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I just finished Ronald Smith book regarding the Paterno/Sandusky
pedophilia scandal. Mr Smith was a long time professor at PSU (joined faculty around 1966-67) who largely does a fair presentation of of the scandal and the psu culture that ultimately led to the occurrence of the scandal (although hints of his defensiveness do leak through at times). Mr Smith would have been better served by an editor because the book definitely needs to be "tightened up." However, he does ultimately conclude that the Big 4 (Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno) failed morally and legally. The following are some interesting tidbits gleaned from the book:
1. From it earliest days psu viewed Pitt as big brother. PSU constantly measured its academic rep vs Pitt and used Pitt as the standard it had to achieve. Interestingly, the 1970s jo pa could not stand having wvu on psu's schedule and considered wvu a backwater school with idiots. Jo pa believed that wvu undermined psu's academic rep.
2. Athletically psu viewed Pitt as the ultimate measuring stick. Beginning at about 1901 onward psu scheduled games at Pitt because the revenue from these games essentially constituted psu's entire athletic budget. Also, most psu grad until late 1960 matriculated to jobs in Pittsburgh; hence psu viewed the game as a way to touch base with its largest alumni group.
3. As an example of psu's little brother attitude, their most successful coach in the 1920's thru mid- 1930s was a guy names Bedzek. Bedeck won over 85% of the psu games he coached (at one time won 30 in a row), but he could not beat Sutherland's Pitt teams. Other psu coaches in early 1900's were fired for the same reason. Despite his record of success (including major bowl games --Rose, Orange etc) psu fired him because he could not beat Pitt. PSU dropped Pitt from its schedule in the 1930s because they could not beat Pitt. Interestingly, until the 1970s psu used to play a very lackluster schedule which consisted mostly of schools like Gettysburg, Moravian, Dickenson and the like.
4. Beginning in 1901 psu began offering 75 football scholarships per year while no other schools offered athletic scholarships. Eventually in the 1920s some teams began to offer between 10 and 30 scholarships while psu kept theirs at 75 (yes the football only culture was there from the beginning).
5. At one point in the 1920s (at the time the Ivy league schools were football powerhouses) psu sought to join the ivy league conference. LOL, psu never received a response back to their request.
6. Jo Pa's predecessor, Rip Engle, was truly committed to academic excellence. Engle never had a player admitted who did not meet psu's entrance requirement. In contrast, Jo pa relied on what were referred to as a "Presidential Admit" scheme where more that a third of his football roster did not qualify for admittance but were admitted on an exception basis by the University president (essentially jo pa ran his recruiting admittance practice like an SEC school). All the while jo pa would criticize Sherrill, Switzer, et.al., and pontificate at conferences about psu's rigorous admission standards. Less than 5 % of these "presidential admits" ever graduated, but it was never explained why this never adversely impacted the overall football grad rates.
7. The book confirms that jo pa had complete control over the players. University & State College officers would never charge football players and simply report them to jo pa, who in turn would "punish them within the team. Interestingly, the book reminds us of Anwar Phillips who was suspended from school beginning the second semester from psu for raping and assaulting a coed. Jo Pa played Phillips in the Orange Bowl since the second semester did not start until 3 days after the Orange Bowl. When confronted about it Jo pa simply replied..."its none of your business" and the local press and Pittsburgh/Philly media never pursued it. Several weeks later when psu formally expelled Phillips from school due to the rape Jo pa's press release simply stated that Phillips was leaving school for "personal reasons." The author infers that "Phillips" event was not an uncommon occurrence.
8. Although psu did not report Cleary violations throughout his coaching tenure the author advises that many unreported assaults and rapes occurred under Jo Pa's watch. The author indicates that although the football team constituted around 2% of the student body a conservative estimate is that psu football players perpetrated almost 25% of the serious assaults, rapes and rimes on campus.
9. The author freely admits that jo pa had unfettered power that went unchallenged throughout his coaching tenure. The author does recount the well known attempt in 2004 when the university president, athletic director and Chair of psu's board of trustees went to jo pa to tell him it was time to step down. Jo pa told them to "stuff it" and they meekly left his home. Similarly, in 2007, the woman who headed up psu's student affairs (Tripony) sought to have football players be subject the same code as other students, including disciplinary measure. Jo pa rejected her argument and advised the university president he would cease participation in all psu fund raising efforts unless Tripony was immediately removed. Shortly after Tripony was told to leave.
10. The author explains that contrary to the Paterno family assertion (that Jo pa "despised Sandusky"), Jo pa and Sandusky had a very cordial and close relationship.
11. The Big 10 had much difficulty in admitting psu. Largely did not think its academic profile was suitable for the Big 10 and the Big 10 looked at admitting academically superior schools like Pitt or Cuse along with psu in order to make it easier to swallow the academically deficient psu.
12. The emails concerning the first Sandusky incident (in 1998) clearly show jo pa was involved in the process to make it go away.
13. The author laughs at jo pa's contention that he did not understand "the rape of man" and therefore did not understand the gravity of McQueary's report.

HailPitt -- appreciate your post. Not a book I would read, but found your report very interesting.

I hope Ron Cook reads this book, repents, and stops with the hero worship crap.

Go Pitt.
 
Cliff notes version................Paterno was a self serving, pompous, hypocritical, egotistical, bag of wind, whose highly questionable ethics and morals were hidden by a well crafted and executed marketing scheme (The Grand Experiment). He also was a very good football coach.
 
I assume that this author, a PSU professor, has already been utterly denounced and denigrated on the BWI, with claims that he has always had unjustified hatred of Paterno, and that these are all lies, lies, and more lies...a "hater" who is part of the "false media narrative." I'm sure someone has claimed that they had him as a professor, and he was the weakest one they ever had.

Little of what he writes is news really. I've read most of it before, from many different sources. The Cult of course, can't take any of this in. The will continue to worship Paterno, and their take their belief in the absurd and false PR produced saintly image to their graves.
 
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I just finished Ronald Smith book regarding the Paterno/Sandusky
pedophilia scandal. Mr Smith was a long time professor at PSU (joined faculty around 1966-67) who largely does a fair presentation of of the scandal and the psu culture that ultimately led to the occurrence of the scandal (although hints of his defensiveness do leak through at times). Mr Smith would have been better served by an editor because the book definitely needs to be "tightened up." However, he does ultimately conclude that the Big 4 (Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno) failed morally and legally. The following are some interesting tidbits gleaned from the book:
1. From it earliest days psu viewed Pitt as big brother. PSU constantly measured its academic rep vs Pitt and used Pitt as the standard it had to achieve. Interestingly, the 1970s jo pa could not stand having wvu on psu's schedule and considered wvu a backwater school with idiots. Jo pa believed that wvu undermined psu's academic rep.
2. Athletically psu viewed Pitt as the ultimate measuring stick. Beginning at about 1901 onward psu scheduled games at Pitt because the revenue from these games essentially constituted psu's entire athletic budget. Also, most psu grad until late 1960 matriculated to jobs in Pittsburgh; hence psu viewed the game as a way to touch base with its largest alumni group.
3. As an example of psu's little brother attitude, their most successful coach in the 1920's thru mid- 1930s was a guy names Bedzek. Bedeck won over 85% of the psu games he coached (at one time won 30 in a row), but he could not beat Sutherland's Pitt teams. Other psu coaches in early 1900's were fired for the same reason. Despite his record of success (including major bowl games --Rose, Orange etc) psu fired him because he could not beat Pitt. PSU dropped Pitt from its schedule in the 1930s because they could not beat Pitt. Interestingly, until the 1970s psu used to play a very lackluster schedule which consisted mostly of schools like Gettysburg, Moravian, Dickenson and the like.
4. Beginning in 1901 psu began offering 75 football scholarships per year while no other schools offered athletic scholarships. Eventually in the 1920s some teams began to offer between 10 and 30 scholarships while psu kept theirs at 75 (yes the football only culture was there from the beginning).
5. At one point in the 1920s (at the time the Ivy league schools were football powerhouses) psu sought to join the ivy league conference. LOL, psu never received a response back to their request.
6. Jo Pa's predecessor, Rip Engle, was truly committed to academic excellence. Engle never had a player admitted who did not meet psu's entrance requirement. In contrast, Jo pa relied on what were referred to as a "Presidential Admit" scheme where more that a third of his football roster did not qualify for admittance but were admitted on an exception basis by the University president (essentially jo pa ran his recruiting admittance practice like an SEC school). All the while jo pa would criticize Sherrill, Switzer, et.al., and pontificate at conferences about psu's rigorous admission standards. Less than 5 % of these "presidential admits" ever graduated, but it was never explained why this never adversely impacted the overall football grad rates.
7. The book confirms that jo pa had complete control over the players. University & State College officers would never charge football players and simply report them to jo pa, who in turn would "punish them within the team. Interestingly, the book reminds us of Anwar Phillips who was suspended from school beginning the second semester from psu for raping and assaulting a coed. Jo Pa played Phillips in the Orange Bowl since the second semester did not start until 3 days after the Orange Bowl. When confronted about it Jo pa simply replied..."its none of your business" and the local press and Pittsburgh/Philly media never pursued it. Several weeks later when psu formally expelled Phillips from school due to the rape Jo pa's press release simply stated that Phillips was leaving school for "personal reasons." The author infers that "Phillips" event was not an uncommon occurrence.
8. Although psu did not report Cleary violations throughout his coaching tenure the author advises that many unreported assaults and rapes occurred under Jo Pa's watch. The author indicates that although the football team constituted around 2% of the student body a conservative estimate is that psu football players perpetrated almost 25% of the serious assaults, rapes and rimes on campus.
9. The author freely admits that jo pa had unfettered power that went unchallenged throughout his coaching tenure. The author does recount the well known attempt in 2004 when the university president, athletic director and Chair of psu's board of trustees went to jo pa to tell him it was time to step down. Jo pa told them to "stuff it" and they meekly left his home. Similarly, in 2007, the woman who headed up psu's student affairs (Tripony) sought to have football players be subject the same code as other students, including disciplinary measure. Jo pa rejected her argument and advised the university president he would cease participation in all psu fund raising efforts unless Tripony was immediately removed. Shortly after Tripony was told to leave.
10. The author explains that contrary to the Paterno family assertion (that Jo pa "despised Sandusky"), Jo pa and Sandusky had a very cordial and close relationship.
11. The Big 10 had much difficulty in admitting psu. Largely did not think its academic profile was suitable for the Big 10 and the Big 10 looked at admitting academically superior schools like Pitt or Cuse along with psu in order to make it easier to swallow the academically deficient psu.
12. The emails concerning the first Sandusky incident (in 1998) clearly show jo pa was involved in the process to make it go away.
13. The author laughs at jo pa's contention that he did not understand "the rape of man" and therefore did not understand the gravity of McQueary's report.
Can we invite that author for a book signing for the Penn State game?
 
I literally belly laughed the first time I heard one of these idiot apologists - including many in the media - try to make the ABSURD claim that "Joe" (they all call him by his first name as though they actually know him personally) couldn't have understood what child molestation meant at his age.

You talk about just throwing shitt at the wall and praying it sticks...That's just well beyond the pale of insanity.

Here's a guy who was with it enough to run a billion dollar operation and compete at the highest levels of college football - one of the most competitive industries in America - but when it came to protecting children, he suddenly became barely lucid.

WTF?!

LOL! Uh, no. That's more obvious bullshitt from the hub of such things.

Yes, the great Joe Paterno could understand his kids going to class, graduating, could understand philanthropy, could understand how "college football was being left to the Switzer's and Sherrill's", could understand the monetary ramifications of 7 even 8 home games, all of that, but couldn't comprehend rape of a child by a guy who was once investigated for doing something similar? Yeah right.

If this is true, then at least 100 of those 409 wins are moot, because he was too big of an imbecile and senile to actually have any factor in those wins.
 
When are Cook and Poni gonna have this guy on? Stan?

No. You won't. The Pgh media wants this to be gone. Oh I am sure, Poni on his own could be goaded into this, but for most, it is old news. For most, it is just another view, no different than the many books trying to exonerate Joe, just another viewpoint. Of which, they have a point. Though, I think if someone would weave this book, testimony, the Freeh Report AND the GJ report, you can probably weave a pretty compelling open/shut case that they all knew and chose to look the other way.

Still...with cult members, you can show them the dark night sky, and they will see blue sky and sunshine.
 
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"recruitsreadtheseboards, post: 1024490, member: 2328"]Yes, the great Joe Paterno could understand his kids going to class, graduating, could understand philanthropy, could understand how "college football was being left to the Switzer's and Sherrill's", could understand the monetary ramifications of 7 even 8 home games, all of that, but couldn't comprehend rape of a child by a guy who was once investigated for doing something similar? Yeah right.

If this is true, then at least 100 of those 409 wins are moot, because he was too big of an imbecile and senile to actually have any factor in those wins.
:oops::rolleyes:o_O;):confused::p:eek::):(TRUE!
 
I literally belly laughed the first time I heard one of these idiot apologists - including many in the media - try to make the ABSURD claim that "Joe" (they all call him by his first name as though they actually know him personally) couldn't have understood what child molestation meant at his age.
I believe it. Joe was born and raised in Brooklyn. That's Brooklyn, New York. We all know that sort of behavior doesn't happen in places like Brooklyn, New York.

And Joe was a reported to be a devout Catholic, too -- and we know that they don't know anything about child molestation either. So yeah, I believe that Joe didn't understand anything about child molestation.
 
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No. You won't. The Pgh media wants this to be gone. Oh I am sure, Poni on his own could be goaded into this, but for most, it is old news. For most, it is just another view, no different than the many books trying to exonerate Joe, just another viewpoint. Of which, they have a point. Though, I think if someone would weave this book, testimony, the Freeh Report AND the GJ report, you can probably weave a pretty compelling open/shut case that they all knew and chose to look the other way.

Still...with cult members, you can show them the dark night sky, and they will see blue sky and sunshine.
Carbon Copies of Ernst Röhm Brownshirts except they wear Blue Outs and White Outs!
 
I believe it. Joe was born and raised in Brooklyn. That's Brooklyn, New York. We all know that sort of behavior doesn't happen in places like Brooklyn, New York.

And Joe was a reported to be a devout Catholic, too -- and we know that they don't know anything about child molestation either. So yeah, I believe that Joe didn't understand anything about child molestation.
Murals South of Halo's with just a dint of hypocrisy lured by unbridled pleasure, tempted in a thousand ways by the hypocritical assent, he turns, Smothering the glow of shame, that, spite of him, ... they still won games and will refuse to sing any penitential hymns!

So long as they praise that kind of legacy they cannot establish a new one to cleanse the curse of 409!
 
This guy needs to be doing a media tour for his book... Hit the morning shows... Maybe a new 30 for 30 incorporating the BOT video stuff in another thread...
 
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This guy needs to be doing a media tour for his book... Hit the morning shows... Maybe a new 30 for 30 incorporating the BOT video stuff in another thread...
It would be interesting to see if the NCAA or Penn State will use him as an Expert Witness in defending themselves against Paterno & other Civil Lawsuits.

To me, it backs up how some Penn State Employees, Alumni, and Graduates are very good people and deserve respect, recognition, and can be critical of Penn State without compromising their values, judgments, or being a fan. It was this mutual respect of the Pitt-Penn State Game that made that game enjoyable and why it should be played every year. Unfortunately, Paterno's petty ego ended it and having Paterno's violations exposed by someone employed at Penn State is an example of what went wrong under the Paterno Era.

Now Penn State Professor Emeritus Smith went to UCincy as an Undergraduate and earned a Masters at Michigan State, but I am glad he wrote the book, followed sports, and glad "HailToPitt" Poster read and posted his views and shared them with all of us.

This is what I can't understand why the some PSU CULTure hate other Programs so much and will not accept that they have been misled not by outsiders but by the very people they used to worship and felt made them better somehow over people, just by winning or losing a game?


Good to see a Professor set it straight and there are 3 books by Victims doing the same, and few more to come.
 
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"wbrpanther, post: 1023660, member: 206"]I see what you mean by needing an editor. I have waded my way thru around 80 pages and haven't gotten into the more current situation.

The one thing that does jump out so far is that the Athletic arm of the school was allowed to become a separate school in and of itself, thereby circumventing minor things like academic and behavioral control from the University.
:oops::eek::(:mad:So True!o_O:(:confused::rolleyes:
This is also true at Ohio State. Whether behavior occurs to this degree or not I simply do not know.
I can see the rationale for this. Academics tend to ignore silly things such as budgets, but when running college sports, one is running a business.
On the other hand, there seems to be a genuine lack of oversight.
But the real money players all do it this way.
 
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But Joe and the Liontologists went out their way for decades cramming down people's throats that was NOT the way things were done there. The Ohio States, Pitts, any southern team were shit under their shoes. They were better, they did more, they left no stone unturned and still won games.
 
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" A faculty member who graduated from Dartmouth concluded that he 'never knew a college where athletics were more highly favored and encouraged, particularly by the faculty'."

Folks, this statement was by a faculty member in....1912!! 1912!! One thing the author has deduced and hit upon is not just the isolated location of State College, but the very insular nature of the large portion of faculty being alums, and this then obviously rolled over to the football staff. These people grew up with this kind of reverence and acceptance of the Penn State narratives.
 
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" A faculty member who graduated from Dartmouth concluded that he 'never knew a college where athletics were more highly favored and encouraged, particularly by the faculty'."

Folks, this statement was by a faculty member in....1912!! 1912!! One thing the author has deduced and hit upon is not just the isolated location of State College, but the very insular nature of the large portion of faculty being alums, and this then obviously rolled over to the football staff. These people grew up with this kind of reverence and acceptance of the Penn State narratives.

recruits - excellent point. "Insular" nails it.

Go Pitt.
 
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Someone needs to Twitter Dan Bernstein about the Book Wounded Lions, so he can interview the Author Ron Smith:
EXCERPT & LINK:

Bernstein: Penn State, Paternos Still Insulting Victims
February 23, 2016 3:38 PM
By Dan Bernstein

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/02/23/bernstein-penn-state-paternos-still-insulting-victims/
"Neither the university nor the family of the shamed former head coach offered comment when asked by Philly.com about the construction of two new statues of Paterno and the plan by the artists to send one of them on a national tour. This re-imagined version of the mothballed original has an upraised clenched fist instead of a “number one” sign, a defiant gesture that tells those boys — now men — how little they continue to matter in the dark, sick heart of the Paterno cult."
CBSChicago.com senior columnist
Dan Bernstein is a co-host of 670 The Score’s “Boers and Bernstein Show” in afternoon drive. You can follow him on Twitter @dan_bernstein and read more of his columns here.


BOOK LINK:
http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/53nwd5cb9780252040016.html
Wounded Lions
Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky, and the Crises in Penn State Athletics
A rogue program, an iconic coach, and an unspeakable tragedy

The Jerry Sandusky child molestation case stunned the nation. As subsequent revelations uncovered an athletic program operating free of oversight, university officials faced criminal charges while unprecedented NCAA sanctions hammered Penn State football and blackened the reputation of coach Joe Paterno.

In Wounded Lions, acclaimed sport historian and longtime Penn State professor Ronald A. Smith heavily draws from university archives to answer the How? and Why? at the heart of the scandal. The Sandusky case was far from the first example of illegal behavior related to the football program or the university's attempts to suppress news of it. As Smith shows, decades of infighting among administrators, alumni, trustees, faculty, and coaches established policies intended to protect the university, and the football team considered synonymous with its name, at all costs. If the habits predated Paterno, they also became sanctified during his tenure. Smith names names to show how abuses of power warped the "Penn State Way" even with hires like women's basketball coach Rene Portland, who allegedly practiced sexual bias against players for decades. Smith also details a system that concealed Sandusky's horrific acts just as deftly as it whitewashed years of rules violations, coaching malfeasance, and player crime while Paterno set records and raised hundreds of millions of dollars for the university.

A myth-shattering account of misplaced priorities, Wounded Lions charts the intertwined history of an elite university, its storied sports program, and the worst scandal in collegiate athletic history.

"A distinguished Penn State sport historian gives us an intriguing account of his institution's athletics history and daunting journey through a period of national humiliation in well-chosen, research-guided language that holds the reader's interest start to finish."--Joe Crowley, former president, NCAA

"With exhaustive primary source exploration and riveting exposition, superimposed on an examination of Penn State as a fulcrum, Ron Smith examines the 'real controllers' of college sport—university presidents, boards of regents, and alumni—each of which over time have tended to separate college athletics from an institution’s intended academic purpose, and, as well, cast institutions into scandals of immense proportion, of which the Joe Paterno/Jerry Sandusky case thrust Penn State’s Happy Valley utopia into an abyss of staggering anguish and disbelief."--Bob Barney, author of Selling the Five Rings: The IOC and the Rise of Olympic Commercialism

"Smith thoroughly documents decades of events that led to the Sandusky abuse of children. Smith's detailed history of sports administration at Penn State illustrates how the abuse evolved and was ignored in a cloud of conflicting priorities. The reader wonders what kept the individuals in power from not responding sooner and appropriately."--John Swisher, Professor Emeritus, Pennsylvania State University

Ronald A. Smith is a professor emeritus at Pennsylvania State University. His books include Pay for Play: A History of Big-Time College Athletic Reform, Play-by-Play: Radio, Television, and Big-Time College Sport, Sports and Freedom: The Rise of Big-Time College Athletics, and Big-Time Football at Harvard: The Diary of Coach Bill Reid.
http://www.press.uillinois.edu/books/catalog/53nwd5cb9780252040016.html




 
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Haven't read the book and probably won't. Has any new ground been broken or info come to light? Most of the country gets it. We might find it hard to believe that an ENTIRE community hid a child molester for decades but it happened.
It is what it is - not going to change.

Don't hold your breathe waiting for Curley, Spanier, Schultz to go to trial - it will never happen.
Certain sports writers will opine how wonderful it is that the Paturdo Legacy lives on. They and Joebots will continue to just ignore the facts. Just like ex Nazis and holocaust deniers.
All the victims have been paid off. The attorneys all paid.
"Football First and Only" as the Ped State Mantra lives on.

Yes - it easily could happen again - with the exact same results.
 
2. Athletically psu viewed Pitt as the ultimate measuring stick. Beginning at about 1901 onward psu scheduled games at Pitt because the revenue from these games essentially constituted psu's entire athletic budget. Also, most psu grad until late 1960 matriculated to jobs in Pittsburgh; hence psu viewed the game as a way to touch base with its largest alumni group.
3. As an example of psu's little brother attitude, their most successful coach in the 1920's thru mid- 1930s was a guy names Bedzek. Bedeck won over 85% of the psu games he coached (at one time won 30 in a row), but he could not beat Sutherland's Pitt teams. Other psu coaches in early 1900's were fired for the same reason. Despite his record of success (including major bowl games --Rose, Orange etc) psu fired him because he could not beat Pitt. PSU dropped Pitt from its schedule in the 1930s because they could not beat Pitt. Interestingly, until the 1970s psu used to play a very lackluster schedule which consisted mostly of schools like Gettysburg, Moravian, Dickenson and the like.
4. Beginning in 1901 psu began offering 75 football scholarships per year while no other schools offered athletic scholarships. Eventually in the 1920s some teams began to offer between 10 and 30 scholarships while psu kept theirs at 75 (yes the football only culture was there from the beginning).


I have met the author on several occasions including several lunches and dinners. He is very knowledgeable about the history of the Big Ten in general and Penn State specifically as it relates to football. It is generally accepted that PSU did look to Pitt as a measuring stick and Coach Bezdek took a lot of heat for losing to Pitt, especially from the Pittsburgh-based alumni. Also true is the numerous scholarships allotted by Penn State during the early part of the twentieth century - the 2014 team had about 75 players. Much of this "growth" is attributed to President Atherton who is recognized for saving PSU from going under during the late 1800s with an influx of academic programs (especially engineering), and also for his belief that football could raise the profile of the institution given the popularity of the college game, especially within the Ivy League. However, two points to add/correct to the OP. One, in 1927 Penn State leadership did realize the over-emphasis of football and decided to cut out not only scholarships but disallow scouting of opponents. This scholarship ban remained until 1949 (not sure if scouting returned prior to this). Two, Penn State stopped playing Gettysburg, Dickinson, etc. in the 1930s and started to add more national teams in the 60s (e.g. OSU, UCLA, Illinois, Missouri, MSU, and Miami).
 
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I just finished Ronald Smith book regarding the Paterno/Sandusky
pedophilia scandal. Mr Smith was a long time professor at PSU (joined faculty around 1966-67) who largely does a fair presentation of of the scandal and the psu culture that ultimately led to the occurrence of the scandal (although hints of his defensiveness do leak through at times). Mr Smith would have been better served by an editor because the book definitely needs to be "tightened up." However, he does ultimately conclude that the Big 4 (Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno) failed morally and legally. The following are some interesting tidbits gleaned from the book:
1. From it earliest days psu viewed Pitt as big brother. PSU constantly measured its academic rep vs Pitt and used Pitt as the standard it had to achieve. Interestingly, the 1970s jo pa could not stand having wvu on psu's schedule and considered wvu a backwater school with idiots. Jo pa believed that wvu undermined psu's academic rep.
2. Athletically psu viewed Pitt as the ultimate measuring stick. Beginning at about 1901 onward psu scheduled games at Pitt because the revenue from these games essentially constituted psu's entire athletic budget. Also, most psu grad until late 1960 matriculated to jobs in Pittsburgh; hence psu viewed the game as a way to touch base with its largest alumni group.
3. As an example of psu's little brother attitude, their most successful coach in the 1920's thru mid- 1930s was a guy names Bedzek. Bedeck won over 85% of the psu games he coached (at one time won 30 in a row), but he could not beat Sutherland's Pitt teams. Other psu coaches in early 1900's were fired for the same reason. Despite his record of success (including major bowl games --Rose, Orange etc) psu fired him because he could not beat Pitt. PSU dropped Pitt from its schedule in the 1930s because they could not beat Pitt. Interestingly, until the 1970s psu used to play a very lackluster schedule which consisted mostly of schools like Gettysburg, Moravian, Dickenson and the like.
4. Beginning in 1901 psu began offering 75 football scholarships per year while no other schools offered athletic scholarships. Eventually in the 1920s some teams began to offer between 10 and 30 scholarships while psu kept theirs at 75 (yes the football only culture was there from the beginning).
5. At one point in the 1920s (at the time the Ivy league schools were football powerhouses) psu sought to join the ivy league conference. LOL, psu never received a response back to their request.
6. Jo Pa's predecessor, Rip Engle, was truly committed to academic excellence. Engle never had a player admitted who did not meet psu's entrance requirement. In contrast, Jo pa relied on what were referred to as a "Presidential Admit" scheme where more that a third of his football roster did not qualify for admittance but were admitted on an exception basis by the University president (essentially jo pa ran his recruiting admittance practice like an SEC school). All the while jo pa would criticize Sherrill, Switzer, et.al., and pontificate at conferences about psu's rigorous admission standards. Less than 5 % of these "presidential admits" ever graduated, but it was never explained why this never adversely impacted the overall football grad rates.
7. The book confirms that jo pa had complete control over the players. University & State College officers would never charge football players and simply report them to jo pa, who in turn would "punish them within the team. Interestingly, the book reminds us of Anwar Phillips who was suspended from school beginning the second semester from psu for raping and assaulting a coed. Jo Pa played Phillips in the Orange Bowl since the second semester did not start until 3 days after the Orange Bowl. When confronted about it Jo pa simply replied..."its none of your business" and the local press and Pittsburgh/Philly media never pursued it. Several weeks later when psu formally expelled Phillips from school due to the rape Jo pa's press release simply stated that Phillips was leaving school for "personal reasons." The author infers that "Phillips" event was not an uncommon occurrence.
8. Although psu did not report Cleary violations throughout his coaching tenure the author advises that many unreported assaults and rapes occurred under Jo Pa's watch. The author indicates that although the football team constituted around 2% of the student body a conservative estimate is that psu football players perpetrated almost 25% of the serious assaults, rapes and rimes on campus.
9. The author freely admits that jo pa had unfettered power that went unchallenged throughout his coaching tenure. The author does recount the well known attempt in 2004 when the university president, athletic director and Chair of psu's board of trustees went to jo pa to tell him it was time to step down. Jo pa told them to "stuff it" and they meekly left his home. Similarly, in 2007, the woman who headed up psu's student affairs (Tripony) sought to have football players be subject the same code as other students, including disciplinary measure. Jo pa rejected her argument and advised the university president he would cease participation in all psu fund raising efforts unless Tripony was immediately removed. Shortly after Tripony was told to leave.
10. The author explains that contrary to the Paterno family assertion (that Jo pa "despised Sandusky"), Jo pa and Sandusky had a very cordial and close relationship.
11. The Big 10 had much difficulty in admitting psu. Largely did not think its academic profile was suitable for the Big 10 and the Big 10 looked at admitting academically superior schools like Pitt or Cuse along with psu in order to make it easier to swallow the academically deficient psu.
12. The emails concerning the first Sandusky incident (in 1998) clearly show jo pa was involved in the process to make it go away.
13. The author laughs at jo pa's contention that he did not understand "the rape of man" and therefore did not understand the gravity of McQueary's report.
I recently read this book and agree completely with what you have said. The football culture at PSU goes back a long, long way.
 
I recently read this book and agree completely with what you have said. The football culture at PSU goes back a long, long way.

And there is nothing wrong with a "football culture". As long as you admit that athletics are truly the driver towards a lot of decisions by the school. And the fact that you don't let it stand in the way of reporting kids being raped.
 
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I assume that this author, a PSU professor, has already been utterly denounced and denigrated on the BWI, with claims that he has always had unjustified hatred of Paterno, and that these are all lies, lies, and more lies...a "hater" who is part of the "false media narrative." I'm sure someone has claimed that they had him as a professor, and he was the weakest one they ever had.

Little of what he writes is news really. I've read most of it before, from many different sources. The Cult of course, can't take any of this in. The will continue to worship Paterno, and their take their belief in the absurd and false PR produced saintly image to their graves.[/b

But....but....but....409!!!!!!!!
 
And there is nothing wrong with a "football culture". As long as you admit that athletics are truly the driver towards a lot of decisions by the school. And the fact that you don't let it stand in the way of reporting kids being raped.
Yep, and many cannot admit any blame on the Paterno era just blame on others at Penn State and Victims and McQueary?

They can't let the past go, won't remember the violence against disadvantage children, and praise the very people that cover it all up, as they blame others for reforming it?
 
HailPitt -- appreciate your post. Not a book I would read, but found your report very interesting.

I hope Ron Cook reads this book, repents, and stops with the hero worship crap.

Go Pitt.
People should read this though to get a historical basis for how this situation came about.
 
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