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No of course not. I am not a "Jamie Lover" and I certainly have criticized Stallings. Pittfan85 however, seems to be a Jamie Lover more than a Pitt lover.
Mountaineer fan here...
Thought last night's game was a fantastic spirited atmosphere & I sincerely hope that we play every season moving forward. I'd rather watch WVU/Pitt than WVU/Coppin State or WVU/Morgan State, that's for certain. Huggins is focusing on regional rivalries now, that's why we have UVa and Virginia Tech back on the schedule, as well as Pitt.
As to the game, that's the worst situation I've seen our team get into, foul trouble wise, all season - and perhaps in the past several seasons. Our bench is short due to our significant offseason losses (and due to Esa Ahmad's suspension), and Pitt certainly exploited that. We had to abandon our press and play a 1-3-1 due to foul trouble, which is not our M.O. So, kudos to Stallings and Pitt for exploiting that issue, and for fighting back. Ultimately, WVU was not going to lose with Jevon Carter and Daxter Miles, Jr. on the floor -- gutsy call by Huggs to put them both back in with 4 fouls a piece at 56-53 with 7 min to go. Thought that was the difference in the game.
Luther from Pitt was impressive, and I think Stevenson is a really good looking player.
As an aside, I also thought Sagaba Konate was a difference maker when he was in the game. He was limited because of foul trouble (common theme), but in his 26 minutes, he made the lane his island.
Anyhow, looking forward to Pitt/WVU next year in Morgantown. Hopefully, this an be an annual tilt.
- atmosphere was great especially in 2nd half
- thank god zoo showed up as probably 3k+ of the 7k+ were wvu
- typical wvu mix of fans which you have to see for yourself
- no doubt they hate Pitt more than anyone
- its life and death for most of them but they were sweating impending doom when Carr made that 4 pointer
- of course a couple weirdos wearing psu hats
- wvu senior guards are very strong and when Carter went out they are totally different team without him
- Pitt worked really hard on d throughout and were well prepared for the press I thought
- Carr and Stevenson are tough and didn't back down vs really good d
- Luther alot stronger than I thought, guys bounce off him
You would be wrong in that I'm not pinning for Dixon but I will take otherwise heed your advice.
That was probably the worse officiated game that I have ever seen. Those refs had no business calling a D1 basketball game. Truly a horrible crew. I know it might sound like sour grapes but I wouldn't be surprised if they had money on the game. College basketball is almost becoming unwatchable because of horrible officiating. Most refs think the crowd is there to see them and get "whistle happy".
It took Pitt a while to get used to the physicality that was being allowed
I think we came out kinda tentative in the first half, and let's face it the hoopies were hot,
and their pressure affected us. I wouldn't say we "stunk the joint up." My guess is
they realized at the half that they could at least compete with WVU. I'm sure Stallings
reinforced that notion in the locker room.
I agree, the second half was our "best." I also realize that Carter getting in foul
trouble had a huge impact on the game. Their pressure was not the same without him,
and obviously they suffered without him on the offensive end. However despite this,
we were a completely different team in the second half. The effort was the best I've
see from this bunch.
We MUST have played a nice second half for you to post THIS!!
LOL...He HAD to post it after his first half, put his foot in his mouth post last night.
Please, quit with the officiating excuse. The fouls called on wvu were legitimate. It's part of the game. Quit your whining.
Some people don't seem to understand that if you play physical, full court defense your team almost always SHOULD get called for more fouls than your opponents, and frequently you SHOULD get called for a lot more fouls than your opponents. I'm guessing some people watched John Thompson's teams get away with playing the game that way for years without getting fouls on them because Thompson intimidated a lot of refs and think that they should get the same deference. Unfortunately for them, it doesn't always work out that way.
He had a lengthy conversation with Heather Lyke before the game, and I thought that if a couple of people on this board saw that their heads would have exploded!
Exactly. You press the way that wvu presses, and you WILL get called for a lot of fouls, if the officials are calling the game correctly. Which they did last night. wvu not having their 2 best players out there for a lot of the second half is their own fault, not the officials' fault. And one official was calling very few fouls on wvu all night, when he could have called obvious ones right in front of him.
We had 15 years of this with our play in the Howland/Dixon era. I don't remember alot of us crying about it this much. I do remember WVU ALWAYS crying about the refs. You guys play like thugs (mean that in a complimentary way) Pitt doesn't. So the foul disparity is not surprising is it? And trust me, we used to play just as physical and people complained about our guys too. But we also understood that with this style comes fouls. And especially now, the focus on hand checks.
Now that you brought it up, we haven't seen a post from Del in a couple of weeks I think. Maybe??
Foul trouble limited Carter's minutes so severely that a guy who was averaging 33.6 minutes per game coming in was only able to play 34 minutes against Pitt.
Pitt shot a lot more fouls than WVU. That does not mean more fouls on WVU should not have been called.
One play in particular, Stevenson (no light weight) had the ball and was moving forward. He was hit from behind and the ball spurted free 8 feet in front of him.
Listen to Huggy post game presser (radio) he said it was a very good officiating crew last night.The calls they made were because that's what the rules committe wants.He said they tried to call the game the way the committee wants it called.He said he thought they misinterpreted a couple of cylinder calls.At the the national rules meeting one of the directors said Huggins is going to be pissed about these and someone else said SO.If you want to see what Huggins thinks of Pitt,Kevin Stallings,officials and his team Google his post game media presser,Huggins is one of a kind.I'll drink to that,he'll I'll drink to about anything.
I saw two calls that in my opinion were wrong.
One was when Carter got called for his 4th foul when a Pitt player came down on him, and the other when a Pitt player pushed off and WVU was called for the foul.
Naturally, being a WVU fan, I'm biased. I'm sure plenty of bad calls and missed calls were made both ways last night, as they are in every game, so no whining about the refs on my part.
Good coaches like Huggins know Stallings is a good coach and teacher , Rome wasn't built in a day , and being in the ACC makes the task a little bit harder , but we will get there
Good question. NUTTING being a cheap bastard, probable gets subsidized by WVU somehow someway
There were some God awful calls. For example, on Carter's 4th foul, he head-faked & the Pitt defender bit and jumped. Once the Pitt defender was off his feet, Carter jumped into him, drawing the foul, and tried releasing a shot. That's a foul on the defensive player & it's a move Carter has used since he was a freshman. It was just an awful, awful call and it sent the best player in the floor to the bench, which was a damn shame.
Listen to what your coach said. The officiating wasn't the problem for wvu. You caused your own problems and the officiating was the same on both sides. It's not Pitt's fault that your pressure defense caused the fouls that were happening to be called. Get used to it. The game is called closer this year.
I love how hoopies constantly use the officiating as their excuse for their play on the court.
Until baseball shares local tv revenue no matter who owes the Pirates nothing will change . Billionaires don’t like to lose money and really why should any owner subsidize a losing business model . The Pirates can’t raise ticket prices enough to cover a competitive roster . The Yankees , Dodgers , Cubs , Boston etc are just in a different financial class .
Pitt on the other hand could spend a fraction of the cost of the Pirates and see a return on their investment . They just won’t do it with their own money .
And if carter doesn’t extend his off arm to initiate the contact-
He’s not called.
The defender went straight up, and is entitled to that space .
Fairly basic
I was watching the game at a birthday party and my viewing was hit and miss. I missed that one.
No- that was an offensive foul. The defender is allowed to jump straight up. Carter jumped into the defenders vertical — it was the right call.
Actually, I was referencing an offensive foul, so it had nothing to do with the pressure D. but, I agree with Huggs about the inconsistency of calling the new cylinder rule. It's been all over the place. Luckily, this has been the only game all year out of our 9-1 season where we got into this type of foul trouble. So, it's not a pattern. It was just this particular crew.
Actually on Carter's 4th foul he lowered his shoulder and moved into the defender. They used to call that on the defender until the powers that be came to their senses a couple of years ago and told the refs to start calling that the way it was written in the book, as an offensive foul. The rule book does not, and never has, permitted the guy with the ball to intentionally ram into the defender in an attempt to get a foul call.
Now that's where you guys have at least some complaint, because there was one of those calls that they made that was simply awful.
The fouls were legitimate and all because of the press?
Please do explain the validity of the 4th foul on Carter as called above.
Back in reality, that wasn't a foul (well, the defender wasn't vertical and jumped into Carter, but I digress) and WVU didn't even roll out their full-on press AT ALL yesterday. For the majority of the game, they ran a token press with zero traps.
Stallings is a great coach and will probably be successful given enough time. And Pitt fans should be proud of their fight. But don't pretend like that wasn't a pretty fluky game. Everything imaginable went Pitt's way for that period of the game. From one of the most egregious bad calls I've seen this season leading to Carter's 4th foul to two WVU players running into each other leading to a bizarre 4-point play for Pitt...and they still lost by 9. Once WVU put their starting backcourt back on the court, it was business as usual. Even though they were effectively neutered defensively due to both playing with 4 fouls. Even playing with a hand tied behind their backs they ballooned the lead from 2 to 9 over the last 5 minutes.
Good luck the rest of the season. I hope Pitt has success in ACC play.
So you show one call...ok it was a very bad call.
Let's discect and analyze and show a video of every single call and then make an overall judgement.
"Stallings is a great coach"...wrong - he's an average coach.
"And they still lost by nine" - hell yeah - we're happy w/ that - do you know how inexperienced and young Pitt is?
Pitt fans are looking for positives - any positives and to come back after 20 down and give you everything you could handle in the 2nd half?
But...We got every call - everything went our way...bizarre 4 point play... blah blah blah.
If that was true, Huggins would have had 4 heart attacks and then...gotten thrown out of the game.
"Even playing with a hand tied behind their backs they ballooned the lead from 2 to 9 over the last 5 minutes."
Just shut up.
13-9. Pitt got every call in that game too right?
The Steelers won last night in one of the worst officiated games in NFL history. You don't see Pittsburghers whining about the refs. We won. You move on.
This is what I don't get at all. Hoopies whining about officiating while they won a game, and obsessing about individual calls as if they had an impact on the eventual outcome of the game. That's a typical hoopie response and reminds me why we quit playing you guys. You need a life! Move on, for crying out loud!!
I can't speak for everyone on here. But for me, I'm not paying much attention to W's and L's this year. We're playing a bunch of freshmen and they need time to develop and get to know one another. You beat a team that, most of the time on the court on Saturday, has 4 freshmen and 1 upperclassman on the court at the same time. Once these kids get experience and aren't freshmen, they may be pretty good and you may not beat us. So cherish the victory over a very inexperienced, young team, if that's what you cling to. We're just trying to get better and find out who we are.
I can't speak for everyone on here. But for me, I'm not paying much attention to W's and L's this year. We're playing a bunch of freshmen and they need time to develop and get to know one another. You beat a team that, most of the time on the court on Saturday, has 4 freshmen and 1 upperclassman on the court at the same time. Once these kids get experience and aren't freshmen, they may be pretty good and you may not beat us. So cherish the victory over a very inexperienced, young team, if that's what you cling to. We're just trying to get better and find out who we are.
Exactly. They won. No one cares. They were expected to win. But they won and now 2 days later they are still parsing this call or that call.
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