A misunderstanding of covid?
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The reinfection has been disappointing
https://www.technologyreview.com/20...disappear-in-months-a-new-study-suggests/amp/
It’s been walked back and adjusted
while it’s true it’s concerning that children can suffer problems such as socialization etc..you can’t allow that problem to outweigh other problems in trying to get kids back to school in the middle of this pandemic. It was a myopic type view and as I said... they walked it back already
I read that and it appears this mystery is just beginning to unravel. It's what keeps me interested.
Here's an article you might like - https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-immunity-may-rely-on-a-microscopic-helper-t-cells/
Anecdoctally there is reason for hope. You really haven’t heard any confirmed reinfections (other than some iffy ones where they may have never recovered)
Also anecdotal, but perhaps relevant, is how we in Pgh spiked with bars and vacations and other cities like Philly and NYC really didn’t. And I’ll humor those that want to blame the protests and add that those cities had much bigger protests - and didn’t spike.
So it appears that something is going on that made it easier to spread in an area like Pgh that didn’t have a lot of cases intitially
Here is the main quote from the APA - “The best and safest way to reopen schools is in the context of low community transmission that has been effectively suppressed by a broad-based comprehensive strategy,” Ryan, executive director of WHO’s health emergencies program, said in a press briefing.
I'm not sure "walking back" is truly accurate. I think they clarified their statement and I'm in agreement.
You are making a judgment on China’s numbers based on your assumption that they just lied a little.
This given the knowledge that the virus started there, they had mass graves dug, images of people dying in the street and much lower reported numbers than most places. And also the knowledge that they have huge incentive to lie.
I'm curious... When exactly were western governments aware of mass graves in China, and people dying in streets ?
Mass graves is pretty alarming.. or it should be..
Did western policies change drastically after revelation of mass graves and people dying in streets ? If not, maybe they should have...
Seriously, mass graves ?.. I did read about mass graves in Iran recently.. and we want to reopen schools full bore ?.. something just is not making sense... are we trying for mass graves here too ?
(EDIT.. seems already they are.. in NY)
Now I'm curious when China mass graves first came to light..
Mass graves is pretty alarming.. or it should be..
Did western policies change drastically after revelation of mass graves and people dying in streets ? If not, maybe they should have...
Seriously, mass graves ?.. I did read about mass graves in Iran recently.. and we want to reopen schools full bore ?.. something just is not making sense... are we trying for mass graves here too ?
(EDIT.. seems already they are.. in NY)
Now I'm curious when China mass graves first came to light..
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My question was more why would you infer I “like China more than America”. The only thing I said is that I don’t think they are lying by a factor of 40(!), which would be what was needed to have the same problem we have. Those mass graves haven’t been an ongoing thing.
I don’t think they lied “a little” either. But like I said in another post, even numbers off by 10x showed their mitigation strategies worked. And no, we would would never go for a Wuhan style lockdown nor should we. But there were (are) answers in the middle between that....and what we actually have done....that would have put us in a much better place.
Why wouldn't you think they would lie that much? How much do you think they would lie?
Also, I think many in the US government thinks China would like by a factor of 40.
What's the deal with Florida's cases? I haven't read into it? I heard on BBC this morning that many labs were reporting 98% positive on all cases but in reality it was 9%? Anyone else hear this?
Don’t worry
With hospitals now directed to report to the White House instead of the cdc -
I’m sure it will soon be very transparent
Is better if they report to you?
Who should they report to?
Come on, you are just picking sides now. You would think the CDC could do it effectively. They didn't, so the executive branch must take control.
Should they have them report to Nancy Pelosi?
Is that true? I can't believe congress will allow that. I'm all for transparency and oversight as long as everyone plays by the same standards.
What was ineffective about the cdc collection of data ?
cdc is under hhs- who the data is now going to
So swing and a miss
Yes. It’s absolutely true. Don’t know if congress can do anything about it but that’s the latest move.
HHS is under the executive branch. There are 3 branches in the US federal government. Trump is in charge of the executive one.
You would trust Congress if the Republicans were in charge?
Or only when your tribe is in charge?
Yes which again -
The cdc reports through hhs
There is no positive spin here
I don’t trust the executive branch when literally they are running oppo smears on Fauci to distract from their continued failure to formulate a plan and lead
OK, let's go over this. The CDC reports to HHS. HSS reports to the President. Donald Trump is the President. If the reporting is judged to be inaccurate, the President can take control. All executive branch.
But based on your words, you are admitting that it was out of Trump's control to this point. So he can't be such a dictator.
Opinions that don't agree with yours are opponents smears?
In that case, you have smeared me a lot on here.
You don't trust the opposite political party. You only have faith in your side. In this case, there is nothing Trump can do to please you no matter how good it is.
As well, under your terms, Fauci is above being criticized. But Trump is only due criticism.
I don’t trust any of them. Which is why it should remain under the CDC which is at least quasi independent. Would make it much harder to cover anything up no matter what party is in control. A move like this would make my suspicions perk up regardless.
The CDC is not political? What should be done if the CDC fails?
Is the CDC incapable of failure?
Agreed. So everyone is in need of oversight.
They are now officially being overseen.
In honesty. Everything has become highly political. Fruit by the foot is now political.
Wild times.
Just because you don’t like the overseer.
If you want an overseer that agrees with you politically, doesn’t that make you wanting it to be political?
Are we debating a "moving target?" It appears that the AAP modified, or clarified, what was initially stated to the media (at least a the press release statement level). Their fundamental position that Covid doesn't present a serious health risk to children wasn't really changed. Their clarification was really about school reopening safety considerations related primarily to the risk it could present primarily for teachers and staff who are potentially at higher risk and that should be factored in to local reopening decisions.
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