Chancellor Gallagher

[Panther Parrothead]

When the generation that can remember the winning days passes away, Pitt is going to be in a world of hurt because they have killed off a generation of fans. The support is only going to get worse.

This, my friends, is the biggest danger: if Pitt doesn’t develop the support of its current students and recent graduates now, they’re not gonna have their support later, when they’re out there working in their careers and are able to financially support the team.

 

[Panther Parrothead]

Paco....that's what decades of bad mgmt does.....fans won't donate to a mismanaged outfit.
Pitt is a great University. A mess in athletics. Why throw good money after bad? Alonzo Webb might be our best coach at this point, w/o a track on campus.

Webb, or the new men’s soccer coach. He’s got a proven record with a national reputation, which proves that talented athletes will come to Pitt to play for a winning coach.

 

[pittmeister]

ANOTHER incredibly dumb thread....

Maybe Gallagher can cast a spell and make it all better overnight....

The solution.... FIRE everyone!

 

[pittmeister]

Here is the problem...

The problem is we have too many Pitt fans who still dwell in the past. They believe (and this is key) that Pitt is on the same competitive playing field as all of the other schools like OSU, Michigan, ND, etc...They believe what's holding Pitt back is a cheap, incompetent, administration and nothing else.

They believe that to win at a high level immediately, all you have to do is fire the coach, and spend big bucks to replace him. Problem solved...

They also believe that the attendance issues could be solved tomorrow. All Pitt needs to do is to spend millions on a new campus stadium, even though there's no place to put it and would only be used six times a year... They blame the lack of action on a cheap, incompetent administration who is more focused on education than providing these kielbasa eating, sauerkraut smelling, fools some entertainment.

Finally, they believe that every local 4 star kid should go to Pitt. If they don't, it is a reflection on the coach and therefore should be fired and replaced with a proven P5 coach that can recruit and bring along assistant coaches that can do the same. If that doesn't happen, it's because Pitt is run by a cheap, incompetent, administration who isn't willing to cheat...

These same Iron City beer drinking buffoons, don't see any obstacles or challenges for an urban school like Pitt. They believe money is printed in the Cathedral of Learning basement and then kept by a ruthless, sadomasochistic group of people known as "the administration"

Sheesh!

 

[Jpripper88]

Their buying customers spoke when they were winning.

They were never really winning. 7 years of success and then they absolutely destroyed the program for 20 years.

 

[TTOWN2]

Pitt is suffering from many cycles that begin to build momentum then, through mismanagement, lack of resources, or interference, end badly. There are many of us like NTOP who have been around since the 1960s and just grew skeptical. It's difficult to open up the checkbook when you wonder how the money will be spent and asking are we building for the long term success of the program?

The two best teams Pitt has fielded since the 1990s were in 2002 and 2009. These teams finished ranked and won bowl games. We ran off the coaches.
Just fired AD Jeff Long was insulted by Harris' agent, hired Wannstedt, and we spend three years getting bowl eligible. Wannstedt did eventually produce then we ran him off.

The fan frustration has been building for a while. Distrust ensues when an AD like Barnes flies in and flies out, leaving a horrendous Pitt hoops program in his wake.

What is TCU giving Dixon that we did not? There's a good story right there.

TKS pitt/miami rivalry. ..I join you on your thoughts ...1950's is my connection!!!.

 

[OriginalEther]

Look at Miami their program sucked they stepped up and hire Mark Richt for 4 million and their on the verge of playing for a national championship . The school didn’t change locations it’s just that now kids want to go play for that coach . They also play at an off campus stadium .
.

Miami and Mark Richt is an utterly asinine example. You realize Richt was fired from Georgia, right? Are you telling me the move for Pitt to make is to can Narduzzi, and then hire Bielema or Riley or Mora or some other unemployed guy and pay him $4 million a year? Because frankly that’s what you’re implying

I also would really like to know whom some of you would go try to hire if Narduzzi was no longer on the job. There ought to be some hilarious responses

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Same Pitt fans who said get rid of Jamie because he is holding back our basketball program.

They got what wanted and now they won't have to make future plans for an NIT or NCAA tournament bid.

Narduzzi is a good coach and I am glad he is at Pitt.

I don't know why the Pete is not "packed" because it is a beautiful on campus facility.

AD Barnes. So much damage in so little time.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[ThePanthers]

Miami and Mark Richt is an utterly asinine example. You realize Richt was fired from Georgia, right? Are you telling me the move for Pitt to make is to can Narduzzi, and then hire Bielema or Riley or Mora or some other unemployed guy and pay him $4 million a year? Because frankly that’s what you’re implying

I also would really like to know whom some of you would go try to hire if Narduzzi was no longer on the job. There ought to be some hilarious responses

On top of that you need to have said coach want to come. Miami is an easier sell because of location and they were lucky enough richt was an alum.

Pitt not as easy as a sell. Fickle fanbase and little support. If a Mora or someone would WANT to come to Pitt I think Pitt would pay.

 

[Rickey]

Two Nitters on Pitt's "leadership team?" Who put that committee together? That is obscene. Talk about the fox in the chicken coop.

 

[ThePanthers]

Also didn't we just have a coach that is now leading his team to a playoff run and we wanted him gone?

 

[DiehardPanther]

Here is the problem...

The problem is we have too many Pitt fans who still dwell in the past. They believe (and this is key) that Pitt is on the same competitive playing field as all of the other schools like OSU, Michigan, ND, etc...They believe what's holding Pitt back is a cheap, incompetent, administration and nothing else.

They believe that to win at a high level immediately, all you have to do is fire the coach, and spend big bucks to replace him. Problem solved...

They also believe that the attendance issues could be solved tomorrow. All Pitt needs to do is to spend millions on a new campus stadium, even though there's no place to put it and would only be used six times a year... They blame the lack of action on a cheap, incompetent administration who is more focused on education than providing these kielbasa eating, sauerkraut smelling, fools some entertainment.

Finally, they believe that every local 4 star kid should go to Pitt. If they don't, it is a reflection on the coach and therefore should be fired and replaced with a proven P5 coach that can recruit and bring along assistant coaches that can do the same. If that doesn't happen, it's because Pitt is run by a cheap, incompetent, administration who isn't willing to cheat...

These same Iron City beer drinking buffoons, don't see any obstacles or challenges for an urban school like Pitt. They believe money is printed in the Cathedral of Learning basement and then kept by a ruthless, sadomasochistic group of people known as "the administration"

Sheesh!

Fair enough, but shouldn’t we be able to accomplish something along the lines of GT in football. Very similar profiles, but they have been far superior from the 90’s to present day.

 

[vegasgreed]

Name the posters that expect to compete with OSU on a yearly basis in football.

Here is the problem...

The problem is we have too many Pitt fans who still dwell in the past. They believe (and this is key) that Pitt is on the same competitive playing field as all of the other schools like OSU, Michigan, ND, etc...They believe what's holding Pitt back is a cheap, incompetent, administration and nothing else.

They believe that to win at a high level immediately, all you have to do is fire the coach, and spend big bucks to replace him. Problem solved...

They also believe that the attendance issues could be solved tomorrow. All Pitt needs to do is to spend millions on a new campus stadium, even though there's no place to put it and would only be used six times a year... They blame the lack of action on a cheap, incompetent administration who is more focused on education than providing these kielbasa eating, sauerkraut smelling, fools some entertainment.

Finally, they believe that every local 4 star kid should go to Pitt. If they don't, it is a reflection on the coach and therefore should be fired and replaced with a proven P5 coach that can recruit and bring along assistant coaches that can do the same. If that doesn't happen, it's because Pitt is run by a cheap, incompetent, administration who isn't willing to cheat...

These same Iron City beer drinking buffoons, don't see any obstacles or challenges for an urban school like Pitt. They believe money is printed in the Cathedral of Learning basement and then kept by a ruthless, sadomasochistic group of people known as "the administration"

Sheesh!

 

[ThePanthers]

Fair enough, but shouldn’t we be able to accomplish something along the lines of GT in football. Very similar profiles, but they have been far superior from the 90’s to present day.

Far superior? I suggest you look at their seasons. Their highs have been higher which is like 5 seasons. But their lows have been lower and overall have been a 7 win average team.

I do agree though that our highs can be theirs every so often and we need to find a way to reach that. Bit far superior is a little strong imo.

 

[paulbl99]

Paco,

People don't TRUST them. Pitt has little interest in being good in both academics and sports. For sports, no scandals, limited arrests and not being embarrassed, they are fine being mediocre. The last 30 years proves it out.

When the generation that can remember the winning days passes away, Pitt is going to be in a world of hurt because they have killed off a generation of fans. The support is only going to get worse.

Pitt needs to pay attention to how things are going. Their buying customers have spoken, its time they start paying attention.

Trust them.....lol right why trust them !!!!!!

In 100 yrs they’ve made 4 good decisions

Hired Jock and Doc
Hired Johnny ( who brought Jackie with him)
Hired Ben ( who brought Dixon with him)

The rest of the time it has been mediocrity or disaster again and again.......they have deliberately trashed the FB program at least 3/4 times in its history.

Yeah we deserve what we got alright.
They can’t even get the uniforms to match the school’s colors.

This place is pretty much a mess now and there’s nothing on the horizon to see a righting of this listing ship.

 

[NTOP]

The people on the BOT that okay’ed the golden parachute for Pederson should be fired. That was the biggest injustice of all.

I doubt it got to the BOT. Nordy just did it?? Cochran OKed it??

 

[Fsgolfdr]

On top of that you need to have said coach want to come. Miami is an easier sell because of location and they were lucky enough richt was an alum.

Pitt not as easy as a sell. Fickle fanbase and little support. If a Mora or someone would WANT to come to Pitt I think Pitt would pay.

What is about 4 fricken million dollars a yr you don’t understand ? Pittsburgh becomes Paris for that amount of money . That’s making a commitment , when your spend that kind of money on your HC you then don’t skimp on your assistants salaries either . Recruits notice .
Of course Miami is an easier sell that’s why you have to overpay someone to come here and Pitt just won’t do that . Instead they hire unproven coordinators who’ve never been the head guy and train them for their next gig if their successful and suffer through their learning curve . Do you think they hired KS to win the ACC and NCAAs ? You see the product their putting out there and if your satisfied you’re very easy to
please . Every yr there will be less and less interest in either of the revenue sports at Pitt and less and less dollars coming in . This is a business after all and Pitt is in the business of selling tickets and if you don’t invest and keep up with the Jones nobody will care except 20k for Fb and 3/4000 for bb . The difference between 40/45 k and 20k in Fb and 10k and 3k in bb easily pays for a coach and his staff and leaves some money left over for a rainy day .
I personally believe the big wigs don’t really care enough about the success of their revenue sports that they’ll ever step up to the plate . People like you will blame the fans people like me will blame the administrators.

 

[DiehardPanther]

Far superior? I suggest you look at their seasons. Their highs have been higher which is like 5 seasons. But their lows have been lower and overall have been a 7 win average team.

I do agree though that our highs can be theirs every so often and we need to find a way to reach that. Bit far superior is a little strong imo.

In the last 8 full seasons they’ve won 11 games twice and made the Orange Bowl twice. If you go back further, they crushed us in the 90’s. They won a national title under Ross.

 

[NTOP]

Here is the problem...

The problem is we have too many Pitt fans who still dwell in the past. They believe (and this is key) that Pitt is on the same competitive playing field as all of the other schools like OSU, Michigan, ND, etc...They believe what's holding Pitt back is a cheap, incompetent, administration and nothing else.

They believe that to win at a high level immediately, all you have to do is fire the coach, and spend big bucks to replace him. Problem solved...

They also believe that the attendance issues could be solved tomorrow. All Pitt needs to do is to spend millions on a new campus stadium, even though there's no place to put it and would only be used six times a year... They blame the lack of action on a cheap, incompetent administration who is more focused on education than providing these kielbasa eating, sauerkraut smelling, fools some entertainment.

Finally, they believe that every local 4 star kid should go to Pitt. If they don't, it is a reflection on the coach and therefore should be fired and replaced with a proven P5 coach that can recruit and bring along assistant coaches that can do the same. If that doesn't happen, it's because Pitt is run by a cheap, incompetent, administration who isn't willing to cheat...

These same Iron City beer drinking buffoons, don't see any obstacles or challenges for an urban school like Pitt. They believe money is printed in the Cathedral of Learning basement and then kept by a ruthless, sadomasochistic group of people known as "the administration"

Sheesh!

Great job on the exaggeration. 50 years of general stupidity will turn people off. Does Pitt get a free pass on everything?? It WAS Pitt who pushed out Jock, Jackie & Jamie. Pitt chose to let the Stadium fall apart, then declared it no longer adequate. Pitt gave extended contracts to Foge, Willard, Evans and then let them go. Pitt gave that fluffy golden parachute to SP, then let him go, Pitt hired a retread to please a bum A.D. who was dying to leave Pitt. Did Pitt get a buyout from Corvallis?? Did Pitt get a full buyout after pushing our best hoops coach out the door? Did Jock Sutherland leave Pitt because he was treated well??
You're the one sounding like a knuckledragging yinzer.

 

[WillFerrell]

Here is the problem...

The problem is we have too many Pitt fans who still dwell in the past. They believe (and this is key) that Pitt is on the same competitive playing field as all of the other schools like OSU, Michigan, ND, etc...They believe what's holding Pitt back is a cheap, incompetent, administration and nothing else.

They believe that to win at a high level immediately, all you have to do is fire the coach, and spend big bucks to replace him. Problem solved...

They also believe that the attendance issues could be solved tomorrow. All Pitt needs to do is to spend millions on a new campus stadium, even though there's no place to put it and would only be used six times a year... They blame the lack of action on a cheap, incompetent administration who is more focused on education than providing these kielbasa eating, sauerkraut smelling, fools some entertainment.

Finally, they believe that every local 4 star kid should go to Pitt. If they don't, it is a reflection on the coach and therefore should be fired and replaced with a proven P5 coach that can recruit and bring along assistant coaches that can do the same. If that doesn't happen, it's because Pitt is run by a cheap, incompetent, administration who isn't willing to cheat...

These same Iron City beer drinking buffoons, don't see any obstacles or challenges for an urban school like Pitt. They believe money is printed in the Cathedral of Learning basement and then kept by a ruthless, sadomasochistic group of people known as "the administration"

Sheesh!

Here is the problem...

The problem is we have too many Pitt fans who still dwell in the past. They believe (and this is key) that Pitt is on the same competitive playing field as all of the other schools like OSU, Michigan, ND, etc...They believe what's holding Pitt back is a cheap, incompetent, administration and nothing else.

They believe that to win at a high level immediately, all you have to do is fire the coach, and spend big bucks to replace him. Problem solved...

They also believe that the attendance issues could be solved tomorrow. All Pitt needs to do is to spend millions on a new campus stadium, even though there's no place to put it and would only be used six times a year... They blame the lack of action on a cheap, incompetent administration who is more focused on education than providing these kielbasa eating, sauerkraut smelling, fools some entertainment.

Finally, they believe that every local 4 star kid should go to Pitt. If they don't, it is a reflection on the coach and therefore should be fired and replaced with a proven P5 coach that can recruit and bring along assistant coaches that can do the same. If that doesn't happen, it's because Pitt is run by a cheap, incompetent, administration who isn't willing to cheat...

These same Iron City beer drinking buffoons, don't see any obstacles or challenges for an urban school like Pitt. They believe money is printed in the Cathedral of Learning basement and then kept by a ruthless, sadomasochistic group of people known as "the administration"

Sheesh!

They believe money is printed in the Cathedral of Learning basement and then kept by a ruthless, sadomasochistic group of people known as "ROY ROGERS"

 

[Fsgolfdr]

They believe money is printed in the Cathedral of Learning basement and then kept by a ruthless, sadomasochistic group of people known as "ROY ROGERS"

Money is printed in Sold out stadiums and Bb arenas !

 

[OriginalEther]

What is about 4 fricken million dollars a yr you don’t understand ? Pittsburgh becomes Paris for that amount of money . That’s making a commitment , when your spend that kind of money on your HC you then don’t skimp on your assistants salaries either . Recruits notice .
Of course Miami is an easier sell that’s why you have to overpay someone to come here and Pitt just won’t do that . Instead they hire unproven coordinators who’ve never been the head guy and train them for their next gig if their successful and suffer through their learning curve . Do you think they hired KS to win the ACC and NCAAs ? You see the product their putting out there and if your satisfied you’re very easy to
please . Every yr there will be less and less interest in either of the revenue sports at Pitt and less and less dollars coming in . This is a business after all and Pitt is in the business of selling tickets and if you don’t invest and keep up with the Jones nobody will care except 20k for Fb and 3/4000 for bb . The difference between 40/45 k and 20k in Fb and 10k and 3k in bb easily pays for a coach and his staff and leaves some money left over for a rainy day .
I personally believe the big wigs don’t really care enough about the success of their revenue sports that they’ll ever step up to the plate . People like you will blame the fans people like me will blame the administrators.

Again, if all it took to be successful was to pay a coach $4 million a year, Pitt and everybody else would do it
Now, what coaches and recruits do notice is when a fan base quickly turns on successful and respected coaches.

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Again, if all it took to be successful was to pay a coach $4 million a year, Pitt and everybody else would do it
Now, what coaches and recruits do notice is when a fan base quickly turns on successful and respected coaches.

Pitt wasn’t willing to do in replacing Jamie !

 

[ThePanthers]

In the last 8 full seasons they’ve won 11 games twice and made the Orange Bowl twice. If you go back further, they crushed us in the 90’s. They won a national title under Ross.

In the 90s they went through a stretch of 5 5 1 6 and 5 wins.

Like I said there are about 5 seasons where their highs are much higher. But overall they typically win 7 or 8 games.

 

[OriginalEther]

Pitt wasn’t willing to do in replacing Jamie !

So if Pitt was paying Stallings $4 million, we’d still be winning 25 games a season, instead of needing three seasons to reach that total?

 

[Fsgolfdr]

So if Pitt was paying Stallings $4 million, we’d still be winning 25 games a season, instead of needing three seasons to reach that total?

God you are dense . All Pitt fans would know was that Stallings use to coach at some school somewhere in the south .

 

[OriginalEther]

God you are dense . All Pitt fans would know was that Stallings use to coach at some school somewhere in the south .

Lol
No, I’m just making you address your own statement
Interesting that the first thing you did was switch from football to basketball

 

[pittmeister]

Fair enough, but shouldn’t we be able to accomplish something along the lines of GT in football. Very similar profiles, but they have been far superior from the 90’s to present day.

Absolutely. We should do as well or even a little bit better. My beef is that a lot of posters want to blame the past 35 years on the current administration and everyone connected to it. Not fair. They have been at Pitt only a few years.

We were at rock bottom as far as athletics were concerned when Nordenberg took over. He led us to mediocrity.

Now we are asking the new administration to take us to another level in a few short years with the same problems and a tougher conference in which to do it in...

In 2009 we were playing in the Big East. Now we are playing in the best basketball conference and a football conference that features much better players and coaches...

 

[pittmeister]

Great job on the exaggeration. 50 years of general stupidity will turn people off. Does Pitt get a free pass on everything?? It WAS Pitt who pushed out Jock, Jackie & Jamie. Pitt chose to let the Stadium fall apart, then declared it no longer adequate. Pitt gave extended contracts to Foge, Willard, Evans and then let them go. Pitt gave that fluffy golden parachute to SP, then let him go, Pitt hired a retread to please a bum A.D. who was dying to leave Pitt. Did Pitt get a buyout from Corvallis?? Did Pitt get a full buyout after pushing our best hoops coach out the door? Did Jock Sutherland leave Pitt because he was treated well??
You're the one sounding like a knuckledragging yinzer.

Exaggeration? You've just made my case. So the same administration has been in charge for the last 50 years? They are to blame for all the problems of today? Yes! Let's fire them all start over......AGAIN.... Great job of revisionist history... The AD was chosen with the imput of a committee made up of some of the coaches that would be working for Barnes. It was not solely picked by Gallagher himself...

Ok... this message board has now made you Chancellor of Pitt... Tell us what you would be doing now that the present administration is not doing? And while you're doing that, the rest of us will blame you for all the failures of the last 50 years...

Put down the crack pipe yinzer...,

 

[Fsgolfdr]

Lol
No, I’m just making you address your own statement
Interesting that the first thing you did was switch from football to basketball

I’m more a bb guy , but trust me 4 mil buys Pitt a whole different level of coaching . Plus that was the last coach hired . Enfield or Archie would’ve paid attention to 4 mil .
Do they hire Heather if their serious about revenue sports ? Did she come at the right price ?
Pitts not interested in playing big time ball , I understand that a lot of others don’t .
When they get serious if ever maybe then there will be other serious people with the bankroll to change things , but no one is going to step up and waste their money with these
academia s running the ship .

 

[KanePA]

Miami and Mark Richt is an utterly asinine example. You realize Richt was fired from Georgia, right? Are you telling me the move for Pitt to make is to can Narduzzi, and then hire Bielema or Riley or Mora or some other unemployed guy and pay him $4 million a year? Because frankly that’s what you’re implying

I also would really like to know whom some of you would go try to hire if Narduzzi was no longer on the job. There ought to be some hilarious responses

Someone who hires a staff that can recruit and knows how to manage redshirts would be a fantastic start. Narduzzi is woefully bad in those 2 critical departments.

 

[pittmeister]

Name the posters that expect to compete with OSU on a yearly basis in football.

They don't have to come out and say it. Their posts make it crystal clear.

When they constantly complain about; attendance, recruiting, lack of spending money, who do you think they are comparing them to?

They don't compare attendance to other urban schools? Do they? If they did, they would see that Pitt does well compared to other urban schools.

When they talk about bringing in more 4 star recruits, who are they making the comparison to? Are they comparing recruiting to other schools that have had limited success over the last 40 years? No. I guess we could cheat like; Louisville, Ole Miss, Kentucky?

In short, because of who we are, it will take longer to get to where we all want to be. A good comparison of is GT.

It's called being realistic...

 

[Fsgolfdr]

They don't have to come out and say it. Their posts make it crystal clear.

When they constantly complain about; attendance, recruiting, lack of spending money, who do you think they are comparing them to?

They don't compare attendance to other urban schools? Do they? If they did, they would see that Pitt does well compared to other urban schools.

When they talk about bringing in more 4 star recruits, who are they making the comparison to? Are they comparing recruiting to other schools that have had limited success over the last 40 years? No. I guess we could cheat like; Louisville, Ole Miss, Kentucky?

In short, because of who we are, it will take longer to get to where we all want to be. A good comparison of is GT.

It's called being realistic...

Being realistic you have a school in Pitt that doesn’t really care how the revenue sports teams fair . They’re getting a nice sum of cash from the ACC and somehow a school the quality of Pitt can’t seem to figure out the benefits of having excellent athletic teams . Students and alumni know it and don’t support their teams . That realistic enough for ya ? No one thinks Pitt can be OSU , PSU , ND and many many other schools .....

 

[NTOP]

Again, if all it took to be successful was to pay a coach $4 million a year, Pitt and everybody else would do it
Now, what coaches and recruits do notice is when a fan base quickly turns on successful and respected coaches.

Yep....that's how we ended up with KS. The jackals, led by the Pat Gallagher NOT the Chancellor, pushed Barnes into ousting a widely respected coach. Now Barnes is making enemies in Corvallis.

 

[pbrad]

New admin, same policies. What is different? Hope the ACC doesn't get fed up and kick us out.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

I'd hate to see what kind of shape some of the posters' finances are who post on this board if they run their finances the way they suggest Pitt runs its athletic programs. I suppose they think that it's OK to borrow and borrow and borrow some more as long as it gets you that big, pretty house and expensive car in the driveway that will impress the neighbors. Too many people think this way. Too many people have the trimmings of success but their net worth is negative.

But as usual, this board is full of inaccuracies.

 

[HailToPitt1985]

Nonsense......they don't have resources because they haven't had good people in place, and bumbled every opportunity to grow contributions. I've watched this shitshow Since Dave Hart was FB coach.
Barnes screwed with Dixon's budget to push him out. Wanted to be a big effing deal.....all the while interviewing for other jobs. Dixon finally had enough....who wants to work for a dirtbag??

Dixon was smart enough to realize just how much Pitt athletics was in the dumper with Barnes here. So he left for a much better opportunity.

 

[TD_istheman]

Dixon was smart enough to realize just how much Pitt athletics was in the dumper with Barnes here. So he left for a much better

Nothing changed, Duzz can't get money out of them for nothing.

 

[TD_istheman]

I'd hate to see what kind of shape some of the posters' finances are who post on this board if they run their finances the way they suggest Pitt runs its athletic programs. I suppose they think that it's OK to borrow and borrow and borrow some more as long as it gets you that big, pretty house and expensive car in the driveway that will impress the neighbors. Too many people think this way. Too many people have the trimmings of success but their net worth is negative.

But as usual, this board is full of inaccuracies.

So Wendy's says eat enough crappy burgers until we can afford good meat, that's only if you and others eat enough crappy burgers , we will upgrade the meat??? Really???

 

[Pitt79]

Fair enough, but shouldn’t we be able to accomplish something along the lines of GT in football. Very similar profiles, but they have been far superior from the 90’s to present day.

Pitt fans should also stop making fun of the FAR SUPERIOR Hoopie Athletic Department. It's ridiculous to ridicule someone so head and shoulders superior.