College Football is a mess
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Yep.
A "free agent" would be "free" to sign with any institution.
The buyout limits the universe of possibilities to only those who could afford to pay the buyout.
This has in fact been a huge factor in coaches jumping ship on a whim.
LOL, you're being purposely obtuse.
Of course coaches can leave, under the terms of their contract.
The trick for them is to find a destination with the resources to pay the buyout.
Not everyone can.
If Nardawg wanted to bolt from Pitt and go back to Youngstown to coach in his hometown, he couldn't because YSU couldn't afford his buyout.
If he wanted to foot the bill, fine, but the contract and buyout clause would have to be settled before he could.
Sure
You don’t even know what woke means
and frankly as I noted your viewing doesn’t matter .
It doesn’t matter. Someone is, and he has to find a job that will hire him and not only pay him the salary he wants, but also the buyout to be able to leave. Washington agreed to a buyout to allow him to leave.
Well, that's the rule now.
Theoretically the players are not currently being paid to play so why would they have to "pay"? They may forfeit NIL $$?
NIL is between the collectives and the player. I suppose they can have conditions regarding where they play, or they could follow the player? NIL is a shell game for pay for play, so who knows??
Why do you care about my viewing or not?
I know what woke means to me and that is all that matters.
I agree with you, but people have complained for years that coaches can come and go without issue whenever they want, while players were being punished with transfer rules. But coaches have buyouts that need to be paid to break the contract.
The new transfer rule makes it simple for players to leave without any repercussions, despite now being paid, even if by collectives. I can see some collectives clamping down a bit for players who are being paid by them and leave; like a prorated amount for the number of games played (if you opt out for any game), or if you transfer again, you forfeit some of the NIL money.
Yes, maybe.
But seems with NIL, there is no structure or rules. It really is wide open and every man for himself.
Players who accept the $ do so a their own peril. Many players have been stiffed.
The entire landscape is in a chaotic state of flux and no one appears to have a handle on how to control it or fix it.
I guess I am different. Okay, part of it, I am comfortable. I do fairly well. But I never ever have gone for the biggest buck. I have purposely, especially at this point, not gone after the corporate officer position because I don't want all the grief that comes with it. Yes, I would like the money. But I am not wired to measure myself by my bank account or W2. Though again, I like nice things. But how many nice things does one need? I many lifetimes of comfort does someone need? If a company is turning a huge profit, why do they need to kill its own, raise more and take even more no matter what it crushes?
So- the players now are able to take advantage the same way the coaches have ?
Coaches are making $8-10mil/ a year at top places
Even our mid coach is making nearly $6mil/ year .
But NOW college football seems chaotic ?
C’mon
So HE , as I said - is a free agent to leave for another job .
Thanks
I accept your “silliness “ retraction .
Buyouts have prevented coaches from leaving for positions before. So they can’t just move wherever they want with no ramifications. Do they aren’t “free” without help.
Most folks don’t chase money
And that includes players as well
It’s about PT , location , exposure , etc
Not just money as some here love to pretend
And we are kind of heading there or are close to there, aren't we? Just these "minor league" teams have always been emotionally attached to a school. Right? Even here, how many Pitt fans on here never went to Pitt??
That's the problem, this 100 years of Notre Dame or Alabama or Michigan tradition. Where if these were minor league teams called the South Bend Saints or Tuscaloosa Titans or Ann Arbor Angels, it falls on the same interest as Fort Wayne in the D League or the Durham Bulls or baseball or the Wilkes Barre Scranton Pens. There are no national TV contracts to this. And even though the better talent might be in these leagues, the colleges will have more interest TV wise. I mean if the Adirondack Red Wings are playing the Hershey Bears or Boston College is playing Michigan in hockey, who is likely to be on a cable broadcast station?
Your objections are only because the players aren’t completely restricted and prevented from earning -
Only
Everything else is the same as it’s always been
You're arguing with yourself.
I'm all for the players getting paid, always have been. My issue is they should be paid by the universities and conferences instead of pawning the responsibility back onto the fans.
My point was coaches have contracts. They aren't "free agents" until that contract expires. When the contract is in force, if the coach wants to leave, the buyout clause has to be settled.
You fail to acknowledge that since coaches sometimes leave mid contract, which no one is arguing they don't, but if they do, the school they are leaving gets compensated according to the terms of the contract.
Now stop making me agree with NCPitt. That ruins my evening!
Yeah there are alot that do chase money. We know for a fact that the MLBPA frowns on any of its members not taking the biggest contract. That happens. Because it then sets the slotting for everyone else. But yeah, if I am making $250K, and some place say in Barnwell SC or Camden AR is offering me $275K a year, I ain't taking the job. Now if it is $500K, I have to really think about that and likely will bite the bullet for a couple of years.
Well it’s illegal for schools to pay players - so there is no “compensation “ required by their transfer .
School’s revenues are not tied to individual players , so it’s a moot point .
And we all agree coaches will leave whenever without being actually restricted … which again means - the move freely .
So what exactly is so wrong and different about college football -
Other than your objections about players having freedom and getting a piece of compensation , again ?
You're a goof, LOL
Making $hit up, and talking gibberish.
Note to self: STAY OFF THE FREE BOARD!
It seems like a logical step. The final shoe to drop will be when schools start "hiring" non-traditional students that left early for the NFL, washed out and still have eligibility.
Frankly, I don't really care anymore. I went from having season tix, going to every game, donating, having paid memberships to multiple fan sights to no longer going to games unless someone gifts me a ticket and only watching most televised games and occasionally perusing this free board. I'm spending more time and money with DIII ball these days.
There's the rub, right? Coaches wanted by other schools that can't/won't pay a buyout will never make the news. I guess you're saying that situation has never happened. I would say that the odds aren't in your favor.
So NIL has weakened the powers, thereby creating more parity, and that’s evidence of how bad things are?
Coaches have buyouts on their contract. Players don't, so at least the university gets something from a coach leaving. Unless you are Pitt when Dixon left and let him out of paying the buyout.
Cam Ward just announced he is pulling his name from the draft and is coming back to college. The Ohio State rusher, who everybody had going pro, is coming back.
NIL is more equally dispersing talent.
It’s weakening the monopoly the same 2 to 3 teams have on the sport where they take turns just destroying everybody else.
It’s causing elite talents to come back for another year instead of going pro.
And all of this is bad?
NIL is more equally dispersing talent.
It’s weakening the monopoly the same 2 to 3 teams have on the sport where they take turns just destroying everybody else.
It’s causing elite talents to come back for another year instead of going pro.
And all of this is bad?
Because nobody wants a coach who doesn’t want to be there .
What is that coaches incentive ?
It’s a program killing thing to do
Agree but the NFL is never going to give up their free minor league system And by the way since many kids would go the minor league route the talent pool for college would be much lower essentially making it the equivalent of FCS football. Some (not you) have said they’d never watch it. Lol.
A hybrid system would be to either give kids the option or cash or room and board. I just don’t see the point in making a kid whose only interest is in football get a worthless degree Maybe you allow the kids to be signed by the NFL and retain their rights for a few years to help provide the kid some cash as well.
You can still have transfers but any school that signs a kid who transfers has to pay a buyout just like coach’s. So the kids would have contracts and buy outs. Not perfect but would certainly slow down the free for all
Corporations have used universities as their minor leagues for a long time. Senior positions have used junior positions to prepare junior positions for senior positions for quite a few years. Adults have used childhood as a minor league for adulthood. It’s interesting that the junior ranks serve as a training ground for higher levels.
Why in the world would the NFL create a farm system? They don't want to spend that kind of money.
If the NFL would create a minor league system (which I think is impossible as I mention) then, with respect to your idea for the "old way," I'd be okay if they went even a step further and eliminated the athletic scholarships and made the kid have to pay to go to school. Then maybe they'd take the schooling a bit more seriously. The colleges can continue to have favorable admission slots for athletes and all that, but make them pay their way.
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