Young boys were raped. Millionares and their Minions let it happen so saturdays remained the symbol of a University. The stain will NEVER go away. And for their millions of investment here we sit. Really disgusting. We Are.........
Curley and Schultz plead guilty to...
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BWI Posters befuddlement confusion and can't understand what happen, since the narrative was nothing went wrong?
Kind of like Germans at the end WW II finally being told what happen under Fascism and how many things went wrong thinking they were in the right all the time.
Just sad, so many confused their own fans in the name of covering crimes. Almost over and time can't erase what happen, but the Penn State Athletic 2012 Reforms is making sure it won't happen again.
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What they recruit now is based on having real Athletic Integrity and they won't have a Top 5 Class, but they usually recruit in the Top 25 anyway. Last year they had a Top #1 Class but ended farther down. Franklin is a Great Recruiter but still behind Michigan and OSU! Not worried about PSU Fans hiding as Pitt posting otherwise.
PSU always out recruits but still do not develop their recruits into better Players for the NFL. Pitt still dominates the State on that and Region with Ohio State and Michigan too.
The Scandal is over since 2015 from the 2012 Athletic Reforms.
If this isn't a total lack of institutional control what is?
A compete and total cover up by the complete administration of
a university!
The president, Ad, head of security and the football coach.
How can the ncaa not revisit this situation?
A compete and total cover up by the complete administration of
a university!
The president, Ad, head of security and the football coach.
How can the ncaa not revisit this situation?
Throw in the Clery Act Investigation on Top of Freeh Report, then the entire Picture can be seen from Spanier to Paterno with Curry and Schultz in between, and Trustees in Business with Paterno and out of touch on Institutional Control.
Freeh got to Cover Up and Culture Corruption and PAOAG the Crimes, and Clery Act Title IX Acts covered how Non-Compliance with No Athletic Integrity Agreement, No Players Code of Conduct, No Arrests Records, and Players given special treated above Students and Penn State Lack Institutional Control.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
Have to wonder if a politician would have the guts to take this to the courts to force
ups to shut the program down?
ups to shut the program down?
The NCAA's decision in July 2012 was based on Penn State accepting the Freeh Report's findings (and part of those findings are that Schultz/Curley/Spanier WERE guilty).
So, if they are found guilty in court? It doesn't change anything.
I'll bet anyone $1000 to a donut --- the NCAA isn't re-visiting. No chance.
I hope the JoeBots remember to warm up and stretch before performing their mental gymnastics to somehow fit today's events with their alternative reality, wouldn't want any of them to pull a muscle.
I ask any nitwit/cult to somehow explain that what happen wasn't a
"TOTAL LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL for the purpose of protecting
it's football program.
In a way,I guess it can be explained as a complete and total cover up from the
president, paterno, curley and shultz.
"TOTAL LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL for the purpose of protecting
it's football program.
In a way,I guess it can be explained as a complete and total cover up from the
president, paterno, curley and shultz.
I'll take that bet, and don't think if you win that you're getting anything other than a donut, no eclairs, no bear claws.... one donut.
Cool. Normal old chocolate-glazed donuts are the best anyway!
Agree, but in no universe would that have happened. There all were in lock step that the football program, "Success with Honor" and national prestige would be protected at all costs.
None of my selection pictures are meant towards the Great Posters on BWI that have been mocked by the Cult Dolt Posters, they are Vindication on the Lair and intended the many Cult Dolts that believed and made up false narratives, stories, and constantly came on the Lair challenging facts Posted over there, not allow over there.
So, no offense taken and no offense given to Penn State Alumni that know something went wrong at Penn State and admitted it. Now that changes have happen it is still a privilege to play Penn State this year in full compliance and a Model for Athletic Integrity today!
Joe Paterno was great coach, Great Program Builder but did stay too long, had way much power beyond anyone, and knew before he past away what happen would reflect on him too, but Joe told the truth at the Grand Jury that help convict Sandusky and cause pleas from Schultz & Curry today. Joe knew too not only his name but Penn State's name was shamed by his in actions that required more even if it meant his removal. This cannot be ignored.
Moreover, Scott Paterno is wrong on Victims sworn Testimony under oath that Insurers prove Joe was told in 1976. They were not mere allegations and if they are allegations as he said, one would think he would challenge them, and demand they become unsealed for Public redress, but then all would come out that way.
This is vindication that more on the Lair including some brave Penn State Posters got it right with Pitt Posters and not the PSU Cult Dolts posing as Pitt ImPosters spewing ignorance and crow that is over 5 years old and cold!
Almost over and then the Civil Lawsuits will be settled. The Plea was sealed because the Schultz and Curry cut the deal what they will say at Spanier's Trial and why sentencing is also not settled until they do what the PAOAG expects from the full truth now.
Vindication For the Victims!
True Yesterday Protest & True Today!
Not All Silence At Penn State!
Down To Penn State One Man Band Plays Alone!
The Championship Conspiracy Blame Game!
National Shame Of Penn State Name!
Penn State New Helmet Debut 2017!
Penn State New Slogan!
Myths Not Miracles!
Convictions & Guilty Pleas Not Slogans Class Of 1963!
Not A Good Reminder!
Winning 409 Or Cleaning Up 409!
Penn State Teaches Silence Again?
The Penn Stat Wayward Winds!
Who Knew?
Somebody Knew!
Shame The Penn State Name To Win 409?
Now Penn State Fans Know The Full Truth In Hindsight!
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Yeah, but see, here is the point a lot of people are missing. The entire reason you have president (and vice-president, and so on) is to keep decisions affecting someone's "meal ticket" out of their own hands. You can't trust that person to be objective, so you have an administrator who is in charge of the entire university (i.e. the president), so he can make a decision for the good of the entire school, and not one little fiefdom. (Granted, you would think when it comes to something this serious, a coach or whoever would not look at this as something as trivial as crip courses, but the idea still holds.)
The point is, if the coach can make an entire university cover up for the football team, the problem isn't the coach.......it's the entire structure of the university. If you put the blame 100% on Paterno, it still doesn't solve the problem. The next coach will just be Paterno, Part II. Blaming Paterno might make you feel better, but it won't solve the problem. The problem is the failure of the chain of command, and a failure of the institution to reign in out of control elements, before this particular scandal even happened.
This is ironic. The Cult hated the "move on" crowd for not wanting to fight on to save the fable of Paterno and Old State. Now that five years have past, some of the Cult are finally get exhausted with the story, and with the guilty pleas by two, and either a plea or conviction at trial in sight for the third, resignation is setting in. The "truth" that they claimed they were wanting so badly is not going their way, so their attention will finally turn away from the scandal, and it will be "let's just 'move on' and focus on football." I think the fight for the statue and such things will die. A new era of football will be all they care about.Total irony - just got in and flipped on the TV to hear what the snow forecast is for the morning. They do a segment on the pleas and not 3 stories later - Big upgrades planned for Beaver Stadium!!!!! This is a non-story for any PSU supporter. In fact I'm sure they're thrilled they pled so that they would just go away.
Move along - nothing to see here!!!
It won't end that easily. I read a few long time posters admit they were wrong and now accept the truth. Much to the dismay of the diehards.
The death nail will be the final "Joe knew" moment.
Why? What would that accomplish? The horse has long been out of the barn now........
I think alot of you are setting yourselves up for more disappointment if you think anything will come of this. So they plead guilty to misdemeanors and have a small fine. YAY! And?
I would think that the hope would be so this NEVER EVER happened again. Otherwise, why not sweep these things under the rug if the worst that will happen is a two year bowl ban.
And when I say NEVER EVER. I do not just mean at PSU. I mean anywhere.
Agree w/this. The reason you push for justice is for
A) Victims feel vindicated
B) Pushes this out in the open and sheds light on why you should always report crimes!
A) Victims feel vindicated
B) Pushes this out in the open and sheds light on why you should always report crimes!
Well in this case...you are wrong. They delayed and then pleaded guilty! My contention is that innocent people don't delay for 5 years unless they are guilty. You are entitled to your opinion and I, mine.
Much of this boils down to being familiar with Paterno and PSU and his history of being in control of everything. Paterno was not told what to do for the last 30 years he was at PSU, but you think he had no prior Sandusky knowledge or was overruled or not involved in the decision making to cover this up? There is no chance.
I am not wrong. Your premise is false. Many, many innocent people delay for years to give them the best chance to win or beat some of the charges. Many innocent people also plead guilty to lesser charges. In fact, more people than ever do that, as our legal system has more pleas now than it has ever in our history.
The BWI discussion is taking a weird turn. There's is someone who has "outed" themselves claiming that Ray Gricar let the University "handle" Sandusky themselves in exchange for not prosecuting. That this information was in writing and turned over to the OAG.
If that's true, that's pretty huge. Would set the timeline back on how soon everyone definitely knew there was a problem back a few years.
If that's true, that's pretty huge. Would set the timeline back on how soon everyone definitely knew there was a problem back a few years.
I thought I heard something like that when all of this first came out. But...who killed Gricar?
This is correct. Most plea agreements happen at the last minute and you have to give the prosecutor a reason. Innocent people plea out all the time to get things over with. It's pretty smart.
Yep. Seemed kind of orchestrated to me too. And besides, how much can you improve an erector set.Total irony - just got in and flipped on the TV to hear what the snow forecast is for the morning. They do a segment on the pleas and not 3 stories later - Big upgrades planned for Beaver Stadium!!!!! This is a non-story for any PSU supporter. In fact I'm sure they're thrilled they pled so that they would just go away.
Move along - nothing to see here!!!
Living in middle of Montana in the Witness Protection Program.
Your 2nd paragraph identifies what many had very strong reasons to believe was allowed to happen at PSU for a very long time: a SYSTEMIC PROBLEM.
A conspiracy among the power brokers and people running the place. The "Conspiracy of Silence".
Joe came there as an assistant coach starting in 1950. He became HC in 1966. Lasted until 2011. 61 years overall. 45 as HC. During that time the school became much more popular, well known and wealthy. By far the primary vehicle for all that growth, increased recognition and wealth? Football. They weren't going to let any scandals - regardless how despicable or atrocious - tear down the football facade that was so very critical and important to them. So instead they ALL decided to hide the truth about JS. If there were whispers or rumors (and there were), they'd say: "Oh,come on! WE ARE Penn State! We do things the right way; the better way. Success with honor. The Grand Experiment. The Paterno Way". Enough people believed them so it worked for a long time. But not forever.
^^^ Good points and I would add that what happened up there was not lack of institutional control as the administration was actively involved in keeping quite.
Ex-Penn State OfficialsPlead Guilty In Sandusky Scandal... Face Prison
Breaking News
Two former high-ranking Penn State officials each pled guilty to child endangerment for their roles in the Jerry Sandusky scandal ... and now face serious prison time.
Ex-Athletic Director Tim Curley and ex-Vice President Gary Schultz were initially charged with felonies -- but struck a deal in which they agreed to plead guilty to a reduced misdemeanor charge.
The charge still carries a maximum of 5 years in prison -- a sentencing date has not been set.
As you may recall, former Penn State graduate assistant football coach Mike McQueary alerted PSU officials when he heard Sandusky sexually assaulting a young boy in the team showers.
Both Curley and Schultz -- along with ex-PSU President Graham Spanier -- were made aware of the allegation but did not go to police. Instead, they simply told Sandusky he couldn't bring boys to campus anymore.
Schultz and Curley were arrested in 2011. Spanier was arrested the following year.
Spanier is not out of the woods. He's been charged with felony conspiracy and misdemeanor child endangerment. Jury selection in that case is set to begin next week.
Breaking News
Ex-Athletic Director Tim Curley and ex-Vice President Gary Schultz were initially charged with felonies -- but struck a deal in which they agreed to plead guilty to a reduced misdemeanor charge.
The charge still carries a maximum of 5 years in prison -- a sentencing date has not been set.
As you may recall, former Penn State graduate assistant football coach Mike McQueary alerted PSU officials when he heard Sandusky sexually assaulting a young boy in the team showers.
Both Curley and Schultz -- along with ex-PSU President Graham Spanier -- were made aware of the allegation but did not go to police. Instead, they simply told Sandusky he couldn't bring boys to campus anymore.
Schultz and Curley were arrested in 2011. Spanier was arrested the following year.
Spanier is not out of the woods. He's been charged with felony conspiracy and misdemeanor child endangerment. Jury selection in that case is set to begin next week.
Two Penn State Admins Plead Guilty to Sandusky Scandal Charges
by Hannah Rappleye, Tom Winter and Corky Siemaszko
Two former Penn State administrators pleaded guilty Monday to child endangerment charges stemming from the explosive Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal, NBC News has confirmed.
Former athletic director Tim Curley and ousted senior vice president Gary Schultz will now face a maximum of five years in prison and $10,000 in fines when they are sentenced in the coming weeks.
Both are now expected to testify against ex-Penn State president Graham Spanier, who was also charged with child endangerment. Spanier's trial begins Monday.
The three were accused of failing to pass on to authorities a report by former assistant coach Mike McQueary that Sandusky had sexually assaulted a boy in a school locker room shower in February 2001.
Prosecutors say McQueary told late football coach Joe Paterno, who reported the assault to Curley. But it did not go any further, leaving Sandusky free to molest other young men, they said.
Former Penn State vice president Gary Schultz, left, and former athletic director Tim Curley, right. AP
Sandusky, a longtime Paterno assistant, is currently serving a 60 year sentence in prison for molesting 10 boys.
One of his sons, Jeffrey Sandusky, was recently arrested and charged with sexually assaulting a minor.
Last May, NBC reported that as many as six assistant Penn State coaches allegedly witnessed "inappropriate behavior" between Sandusky and boys going as far back as the 1970s. But it was unclear if any of the men made a report to higher-ups before the sex-abuse scandal erupted in 2011.
The documents cited in the NBC report also revealed that a child allegedly told Paterno he had been molested by Sandusky back in 1976.
That is a quarter century before Paterno acknowledged hearing from McQueary about Sandusky in a shower with a child.
Paterno died in January 2012, several months after he was fired amid allegations that he knew about Sandusky's abuses and failed to act.
His family has insisted that Paterno did nothing wrong. But a university-sanctioned report later concluded the legendary coach was aware of allegations against Sandusky as early as 1998 but refused to remove him from the program.
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Penn State coach Joe Paterno stands on the field before his team's NCAA college football game against Northwestern, in Evanston, Ill. on Oct. 22, 2011. Jim Prisching / AP, file
by Hannah Rappleye, Tom Winter and Corky Siemaszko
Two former Penn State administrators pleaded guilty Monday to child endangerment charges stemming from the explosive Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal, NBC News has confirmed.
Former athletic director Tim Curley and ousted senior vice president Gary Schultz will now face a maximum of five years in prison and $10,000 in fines when they are sentenced in the coming weeks.
Both are now expected to testify against ex-Penn State president Graham Spanier, who was also charged with child endangerment. Spanier's trial begins Monday.
The three were accused of failing to pass on to authorities a report by former assistant coach Mike McQueary that Sandusky had sexually assaulted a boy in a school locker room shower in February 2001.
Prosecutors say McQueary told late football coach Joe Paterno, who reported the assault to Curley. But it did not go any further, leaving Sandusky free to molest other young men, they said.
Former Penn State vice president Gary Schultz, left, and former athletic director Tim Curley, right. AP
Sandusky, a longtime Paterno assistant, is currently serving a 60 year sentence in prison for molesting 10 boys.
One of his sons, Jeffrey Sandusky, was recently arrested and charged with sexually assaulting a minor.
Last May, NBC reported that as many as six assistant Penn State coaches allegedly witnessed "inappropriate behavior" between Sandusky and boys going as far back as the 1970s. But it was unclear if any of the men made a report to higher-ups before the sex-abuse scandal erupted in 2011.
The documents cited in the NBC report also revealed that a child allegedly told Paterno he had been molested by Sandusky back in 1976.
That is a quarter century before Paterno acknowledged hearing from McQueary about Sandusky in a shower with a child.
Paterno died in January 2012, several months after he was fired amid allegations that he knew about Sandusky's abuses and failed to act.
His family has insisted that Paterno did nothing wrong. But a university-sanctioned report later concluded the legendary coach was aware of allegations against Sandusky as early as 1998 but refused to remove him from the program.
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Penn State coach Joe Paterno stands on the field before his team's NCAA college football game against Northwestern, in Evanston, Ill. on Oct. 22, 2011. Jim Prisching / AP, file
The fact that Jay and The Meatball are dead silent about all of this is very telling. Ziggy is the only one saying anything and that's because he can't allow himself to be wrong about Jerry.
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