Joe reported it after he was told what happened. He kept quiet after he found out for himself
Curley and Schultz plead guilty to...
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TO ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE PSU IS BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY: Would you, in his situation, EVER kept quiet? Would you, in ANY situation, keep quiet? If so, I challenge you to meet someone who was sexually abused at an early age and, if you still feel Joe did what an ordinary person should have done, there's a special place in hell reserved for you. That would mean you are someone without a conscience and any sense of morality, and I hope to God you haven't procreated.
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READ THE ****ING COMMENT PROPERLY. it's a shot at Paterno. He didnt report it until somebody told him about it. He clammed up until then, and likely would have stayed that way had McQ not reported the incident. WHAT PART OF MY POST SUGGESTS THAT I WOULD NOT REPORT CHILD MOLESTATION??????????????
I read it. I should have made it clearer that my response wasn't directed to you, but to anyone who thought Joe did enough. I fell way short of making that clear and I apologize. This subject gets me riled up and sometimes I think of nitter trolls when I post.
Regardless, everyone associated with the football program who was there during all of this is gone. Except the fans.
It's mostly the same 10-20 people in tinfoil hats that are posting.
psu "fans" forget that joepa was to be fired but he didn't "allow or "approve" the firing. So who was in charge of psu if not joepa?
ChooChoo
Today I'm the one not ready to strangle someone after I got stuck in the blizzard
It just amazes me that some think that since paterno is in hell, curley and shultz pled guilty.
Now spanier is up that this shouldn't apply to ups. Just because they are gone from ups
doesn't excuse ups for their actions. ups employed them and ups should pay the price for their
condescending actions.
Now spanier is up that this shouldn't apply to ups. Just because they are gone from ups
doesn't excuse ups for their actions. ups employed them and ups should pay the price for their
condescending actions.
The school and football program benefited from the cover up. They should be held accountable for the actions of those that were employed.
The NCAA had the opportunity to do the right thing and failed miserably.
I don't get how the NCAA can let PSU off the hook so easily - and early as well - when criminal prosecutions are imminent/pending. You know the NCAA won't do anything even if testimony (further) demonstrates a lack of institutional control.
Does anyone know if the NCAA is precluded from acting even if it wanted to?
Does anyone know if the NCAA is precluded from acting even if it wanted to?
Maybe the ncaa should have let this whole sordid corruption hang for the last 5 years and now make a ruling.
If this isn't total lack of institutional control nothing will ever be! Actually it is a total and complete
cover up of institutional corruption!!!!!!!
If this isn't total lack of institutional control nothing will ever be! Actually it is a total and complete
cover up of institutional corruption!!!!!!!
I do have to respond to this dribble, because that's what it is. Joe never tossed anyone out of his house. Ask Graham Spanier, as he is on record stating that never happened, but you know because you were there, right? Please continue with baseless fabrications. Everyone gets you hate Penn State, but constantly stating baseless claims doesn't make them true. It constantly amazes me that people believe such bs as gospel to fit their own agenda, because the truth be damned.
There isnt a single shred of evidence Joe knew, and the moment he did hear, he reported just as the law and policy advises. Enjoy your faux outrage all you want, but if you dont follow the law or your company protocol, it's likely you'll be either reprimanded or fired. Every company, state and feds have reporting policies, that is a fact. The subject you never discuss, which is quite sad, is the utter failure of the state of PA. From a DA who did nothing, an AG who sat on it for years, adoption agencies who allowed more adoptions, CYS who ignored other reports, TSM who's CEO was a mandatory reporter, boss of JS, and did nothing. And to this day, nothing is better. Look at the corruption in the AG's office, the corruption of judges who've been forced to resign. But yeah, this is about football. No, this is far bigger, TSM and Raykovitz just walked away, and many were not held responsible.
And to your point 4. In 01, the mandatory reporter was Dr Dranov and Dr Raykovitz, not the administrators. Point 3, thats your opinion with zero facts to back that up. Still doesn't give reason. He was the damn DA, he makes the call. The Freeh report isnt believed by anyone, and wouldn't stand up in a court for two minutes. So now you use the BOT, yet it's not an excuse. Lol. The BOT and Corbett wanted Freeh. Hello? Name one report that sob did that wasnt complete and utter bs? Like i said, this isnt about football or Joe's power. My God, many on the BOT hated Joe. It's also why he didn't trust them. They weren't even smart enough to vet any of the claims. They are dirty as hell.
hootshoe, I do feel sorry for you. I know that your supreme leader and all worshipping
paterno has failed you. I guess the "i should have done more" quote doesn't resonate
with you, but that is alright. After all you are just another snowflake in the ups cesspool of
life.
paterno has failed you. I guess the "i should have done more" quote doesn't resonate
with you, but that is alright. After all you are just another snowflake in the ups cesspool of
life.
Hotshoe is a devote to the cult. He adds absolutely nothing and I have no idea why he posts here. We have our eyes and ears...he has a belief
"Hotshoe, post: 1843967, member: 6356"]
I respect your points of view and like you I want the full truth too. So, I will respond fairly keeping an open mind to help it and discuss it together. The Penn State University Football Program Scandal is near an end now that Curley-Schultz have pleaded guilty. Now we have Jerry Sandusky (JS) Appeal, Spanier (GS) Trial, and several Civil Lawsuits remaining. Why make conclusions when more information is coming out this week?
I do have to respond to this dribble, because that's what it is. Joe never tossed anyone out of his house. Ask Graham Spanier, as he is on record stating that never happened, but you know because you were there, right? Please continue with baseless fabrications.
Hotshoe's is not wrong. Here is the PennLive Link that talks about it from Spanier's View but that is in 2011 and things have changed since that day to be fair too as explained below. Why I urge caution for all below and let Sandusky Appeal, Spanier Trial, and Civil Lawsuits play out before jumping to conclusions on all previous information.
LINK:
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/the_truth_behind_graham_spanie.html
However, Other Version from 2005 that Spanier never denied until 2011 after his firing, Link:
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...rno-proves-his-way-works/stories/200512250225
An interview with Spanier on November 23, 2011 after Spanier & Paterno were fired on November 10, 2011 is a coincidence is it? Add in later Spanier was indicted and how the Grand Jury of Paterno's words that challenge and will be used against Spanier has changed. Let us see what is confirmed by Curley & Schultz is still in doubt is what i am saying. Wait and see what is testified too under oath not a Newspaper Report for support after being fired?
Everyone gets you hate Penn State, but constantly stating baseless claims doesn't make them true. It constantly amazes me that people believe such bs as gospel to fit their own agenda, because the truth be damned.
To be fair, Hotshoes in your own passion and zeal the Truth is not own by you either, nor the Paterno Paid Report, and the Truth is never so easy to find. The truth we do know and not refuted is you have to admit, it is all started at Penn State. No one at Pitt or elsewhere caused that, it was at and only at Penn State! Again, i urge caution until the Appeal, Trials, and Civil Lawsuits play out.
There isnt a single shred of evidence Joe knew,
You are quoting the Paterno Report (Parts I Agree With It & Parts Now Under Greater Importunity Now With New Evidence) and things have changed on that too. I will address why you must wait and re-analyze on that too just lie I am doing and waiting.
Since the Paid For Paterno Report more has come out that now will decide aspects Thornburgh, Sollers, and Clemente did not address because they did know it, nor did Louie Freeh.
The PMA-PSU Sealed Depositions under Oath, the Curley-Schultz Pleas that await Spanier's Trial Fate, and Clery Act-Title IX Finds and Fines! I myself are waiting now on seeing and hearing what will come out now and in the future an so should you, to remain fair.
and the moment he did hear, he reported just as the law and policy advises.
No, Joe he did not at that "Moment" and the evidence is his own testimony so be fair and clear yourself. Joe waited until after the weekend in his own words. But I am with you he did report it and more so testified what he was told before the Grand Jury and why he was not Indicted and I accept that right now too like you, but we will know more soon that can change it is my point of caution.
Enjoy your faux outrage all you want, but if you dont follow the law or your company protocol, it's likely you'll be either reprimanded or fired. Every company, state and feds have reporting policies, that is a fact.
All good points by you that is now under the New PSU 2012 Athletic Integrity Reforms not back then and yu can explain it that fast that way today? I advocate judgment back then as things were that can defend JVP too and myself been criticized for it, so be it, I can wait like you for more to come out.
However, more new facts and evidence has come out and we know more from the Appeal, Plea Deals, and Trial, and again I can wait and urge others too do the same!
The subject you never discuss, which is quite sad, is the utter failure of the state of PA. From a DA who did nothing, an AG who sat on it for years, adoption agencies who allowed more adoptions, CYS who ignored other reports, TSM who's CEO was a mandatory reporter, boss of JS, and did nothing. And to this day, nothing is better. Look at the corruption in the AG's office, the corruption of judges who've been forced to resign. But yeah, this is about football. No, this is far bigger, TSM and Raykovitz just walked away, and many were not held responsible.
This has been discussed and I have done on it the Lair and I am agree there are questions of corruption, political manipulation, and misjudgments like in any Scandal and Crimes. I agree with Blehar on it as well it needs more sunlight. Still, that is only a Penn State Original problem too, no where else.
The Sandusky Appeal coming this week will address the some of the alleged PAOAG Corruption too. So, all can wait on that too including you and me. The allegations will now be factually analyzes under a Court of Appeals Hearing. Ee all can wait! However, you can't come to nay full conclusions either right now, nor me.
The factual truth still remains this begins and surrounds Penn State University Football and you can't wash it away with saying nothing happen and if it did with other conspiracies that have not fully been proven too? I myself agree with you and ask why wasn't Child Predator Unit not used early and no one can answer it with satisfaction. However, the focus is back on what happen at Penn State and will come out soon at Trial more than before just like the Plea Deals still unknown.
And to your point 4. In 01, the mandatory reporter was Dr Dranov and Dr Raykovitz, not the administrators.
I agree but and all Doctors know the Law better than any of us, so you are correct to ask why didn't they report it??? Yet, they told McQueary to call Paterno is just as strange???? They did not work at PSU either but Paterno did? And when McQueary called Paterno, Paterno told him he had no job for McQueary, then afterwards McQueary was hired? This all under Oath too! It shows others are allow to have their conspiracies reasonable assumptions too, is all I am saying.
I agree The Second Mile was not fully investigated but Sandusky and Spanier made sure it was were Intertwine with PSU too as well with PSU Boosters, Celebrities, Lawmakers. Again, don't attack Pitt Posters for a Penn State created problem by PSU Fans, Alumni and Boosters, to be fair!
Point 3, thats your opinion with zero facts to back that up.
I would be careful there Hotshoes, The Administrators had a duty to report it too and Curley & Schultz now admit it too, so that is evidence no longer allegations or opinions. And only your opinion is saying it without fact now!
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I respect your points of view and like you I want the full truth too. So, I will respond fairly keeping an open mind to help it and discuss it together. The Penn State University Football Program Scandal is near an end now that Curley-Schultz have pleaded guilty. Now we have Jerry Sandusky (JS) Appeal, Spanier (GS) Trial, and several Civil Lawsuits remaining. Why make conclusions when more information is coming out this week?
I do have to respond to this dribble, because that's what it is. Joe never tossed anyone out of his house. Ask Graham Spanier, as he is on record stating that never happened, but you know because you were there, right? Please continue with baseless fabrications.
Hotshoe's is not wrong. Here is the PennLive Link that talks about it from Spanier's View but that is in 2011 and things have changed since that day to be fair too as explained below. Why I urge caution for all below and let Sandusky Appeal, Spanier Trial, and Civil Lawsuits play out before jumping to conclusions on all previous information.
LINK:
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/the_truth_behind_graham_spanie.html
However, Other Version from 2005 that Spanier never denied until 2011 after his firing, Link:
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...rno-proves-his-way-works/stories/200512250225
An interview with Spanier on November 23, 2011 after Spanier & Paterno were fired on November 10, 2011 is a coincidence is it? Add in later Spanier was indicted and how the Grand Jury of Paterno's words that challenge and will be used against Spanier has changed. Let us see what is confirmed by Curley & Schultz is still in doubt is what i am saying. Wait and see what is testified too under oath not a Newspaper Report for support after being fired?
Everyone gets you hate Penn State, but constantly stating baseless claims doesn't make them true. It constantly amazes me that people believe such bs as gospel to fit their own agenda, because the truth be damned.
To be fair, Hotshoes in your own passion and zeal the Truth is not own by you either, nor the Paterno Paid Report, and the Truth is never so easy to find. The truth we do know and not refuted is you have to admit, it is all started at Penn State. No one at Pitt or elsewhere caused that, it was at and only at Penn State! Again, i urge caution until the Appeal, Trials, and Civil Lawsuits play out.
There isnt a single shred of evidence Joe knew,
You are quoting the Paterno Report (Parts I Agree With It & Parts Now Under Greater Importunity Now With New Evidence) and things have changed on that too. I will address why you must wait and re-analyze on that too just lie I am doing and waiting.
Since the Paid For Paterno Report more has come out that now will decide aspects Thornburgh, Sollers, and Clemente did not address because they did know it, nor did Louie Freeh.
The PMA-PSU Sealed Depositions under Oath, the Curley-Schultz Pleas that await Spanier's Trial Fate, and Clery Act-Title IX Finds and Fines! I myself are waiting now on seeing and hearing what will come out now and in the future an so should you, to remain fair.
and the moment he did hear, he reported just as the law and policy advises.
No, Joe he did not at that "Moment" and the evidence is his own testimony so be fair and clear yourself. Joe waited until after the weekend in his own words. But I am with you he did report it and more so testified what he was told before the Grand Jury and why he was not Indicted and I accept that right now too like you, but we will know more soon that can change it is my point of caution.
Enjoy your faux outrage all you want, but if you dont follow the law or your company protocol, it's likely you'll be either reprimanded or fired. Every company, state and feds have reporting policies, that is a fact.
All good points by you that is now under the New PSU 2012 Athletic Integrity Reforms not back then and yu can explain it that fast that way today? I advocate judgment back then as things were that can defend JVP too and myself been criticized for it, so be it, I can wait like you for more to come out.
However, more new facts and evidence has come out and we know more from the Appeal, Plea Deals, and Trial, and again I can wait and urge others too do the same!
The subject you never discuss, which is quite sad, is the utter failure of the state of PA. From a DA who did nothing, an AG who sat on it for years, adoption agencies who allowed more adoptions, CYS who ignored other reports, TSM who's CEO was a mandatory reporter, boss of JS, and did nothing. And to this day, nothing is better. Look at the corruption in the AG's office, the corruption of judges who've been forced to resign. But yeah, this is about football. No, this is far bigger, TSM and Raykovitz just walked away, and many were not held responsible.
This has been discussed and I have done on it the Lair and I am agree there are questions of corruption, political manipulation, and misjudgments like in any Scandal and Crimes. I agree with Blehar on it as well it needs more sunlight. Still, that is only a Penn State Original problem too, no where else.
The Sandusky Appeal coming this week will address the some of the alleged PAOAG Corruption too. So, all can wait on that too including you and me. The allegations will now be factually analyzes under a Court of Appeals Hearing. Ee all can wait! However, you can't come to nay full conclusions either right now, nor me.
The factual truth still remains this begins and surrounds Penn State University Football and you can't wash it away with saying nothing happen and if it did with other conspiracies that have not fully been proven too? I myself agree with you and ask why wasn't Child Predator Unit not used early and no one can answer it with satisfaction. However, the focus is back on what happen at Penn State and will come out soon at Trial more than before just like the Plea Deals still unknown.
And to your point 4. In 01, the mandatory reporter was Dr Dranov and Dr Raykovitz, not the administrators.
I agree but and all Doctors know the Law better than any of us, so you are correct to ask why didn't they report it??? Yet, they told McQueary to call Paterno is just as strange???? They did not work at PSU either but Paterno did? And when McQueary called Paterno, Paterno told him he had no job for McQueary, then afterwards McQueary was hired? This all under Oath too! It shows others are allow to have their conspiracies reasonable assumptions too, is all I am saying.
I agree The Second Mile was not fully investigated but Sandusky and Spanier made sure it was were Intertwine with PSU too as well with PSU Boosters, Celebrities, Lawmakers. Again, don't attack Pitt Posters for a Penn State created problem by PSU Fans, Alumni and Boosters, to be fair!
Point 3, thats your opinion with zero facts to back that up.
I would be careful there Hotshoes, The Administrators had a duty to report it too and Curley & Schultz now admit it too, so that is evidence no longer allegations or opinions. And only your opinion is saying it without fact now!
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"Hotshoe, post: 1843967, member: 6356"]
Still doesn't give reason. He was the damn DA, he makes the call.
Still, is evidence that Curley was told by Paterno to follow the Investigation closely and Sandusky retirement did happen the next year.
The Freeh report isnt believed by anyone, and wouldn't stand up in a court for two minutes.
1. The Blehars', Paternos', and you all keep ignoring and have remain silent on the Department of Education Fines and findings addresses Paterno's participation influence in ignoring required Laws, Athletic Integrity Compliance's, and Penn State 2012 Athletic Integrity Reforms all that originate from Freeh Report Recommendations all put in by NCAA Monitor Oversight.
2. This Report came out years after Freeh Report and after Department Of Justice and Education Legal Auditor Independent Investigation and refutes you that the Freeh Report is not to believed. It actually confirmed the Freeh Recommendations were spot on and Penn State paid the largest fines in DOE History.
3. The PMA-PSU Civil Lawsuit Sealed Revelations are pending an unsealing after the Trial and came out after the Paterno Report you keep quoting.
4. All of what your keep quoting is using the The Paid For Paterno Report Opinions too and now has credibility problems on the facts and here is why you must wait. I will outline it pointy by point to you below, so you can discuss it too, and be fair. I look forward to addressing it together because I supported certain aspect too, but found others now in dispute based on subsequent facts that have come out. I respect your views on it too.
So now you use the BOT, yet it's not an excuse. Lol. The BOT and Corbett wanted Freeh. Hello?
No all true, the Trustees wanted the truth from Spanier that refused to answers questions and so they fired him and Paterno! The hired Freeh to investigate find out what happen and provide recommendations on what to do. These are facts not in dispute! The Freeh Report found evidence that led to Spanier Indictment and PAOAG Errors too. This is why I advocate a Fair Appeal Hearings for Sandusky's Constitutional Rights Appeal. But keep in mind Freeh Reports found the evidence on PAOAG Errors too.
Name one report that sob did that wasnt complete and utter bs?
The Paid For Paterno Report now qualifies more analysis since the Curley-Schultz Pleas are now in Evidence since you asked? The Spanier Defamation against Freeh Lawsuit has been undercut too since discovery. The DOE Fines proved Freeh report finding Spanier told others he did not know the Clery Act-Title IX was not being followed and proof it was Spanier responsibility.
Like i said, this isnt about football or Joe's power.
Well, this guy was given access to Paterno to write a Bio for and of Paterno and was fair and honest and came under praise by Paterno's Family and criticism by the Media and a good read to open up ears and eyes. Now that subsequent evidence has come out and changed more Books are on the way as we speak. so we all will know more not less.
The Secrets and Lies of Joe Paterno
By Joe Posnanski
LINK:
http://www.gq.com/story/joe-paterno-scandal-joe-posnanski-book-excerpt
My God, many on the BOT hated Joe. It's also why he didn't trust them.
1. Disagree a tad....You do know some Trustees were in Business with Joe do you? How could they hate him if some of them were in Business together with Paterno's full approval on signed Corporation Documentations?
2. For Your Information....Freeh's Investigation Report were also critical of the PSU Trustee's Undisclosed Conflicts of Business Interests and recommended that led Trustees and the NCAA Oversight Monitor change PSU Policies that now makes all the Trustees and all Employee (Including Coaches) Disclose such Business Interests now unlike not doing it with Paterno. this is now part of the Paterno Family Lawsuit Discovery going on with the NCAA & PSU! We can wait on that too is my point!
3. For example, the new allegations against current Penn State Trustees now include PS4RS on Al Lord's past comments and he is on your view of event side, so be careful when you call all PSU Trustees Names. After all, Al Lord has been quoted in saying....""We must restore the reputations of Penn State, Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, and Gary Schultz, and make these names a part of Penn State's future," Lord wrote to friends, fellow alumni, and members of Penn Staters for Responsible Stewardship.
LINK:
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2015/07/the_lord_of_penn_state_needs_t.html
4. I do agree, some Trustees have been hypocritical at least when the Penn State Scandal broke and chaos came upon them and Corbett was part of helping cause it. So, you are not wrong but we will know more on the JS Appeal, GS Trial, and Civil Lawsuits soon. I can wait and so should all!
They weren't even smart enough to vet any of the claims. They are dirty as hell.
Well, this again shows the Scandal is still all about what happen at Penn State and only at Penn State and caused by Employees, Former Employees, Trustees of and by Penn State, no one on the Lair!
I thank you for your comments and will later address aspects of the Paterno Report on Freeh and you can agree to disagree where you feel free to comment on them later after I put them up, so no one eyes will be blinded or ears stopped from hearing over a Penn State Scandal with over 50 years in the making with confusion since 1998 to today with new information now coming out?
"Hotshoe, post: 1843967, member: 6356"]
Still doesn't give reason. He was the damn DA, he makes the call.
Still, is evidence that Curley was told by Paterno to follow the Investigation closely and Sandusky retirement did happen the next year.
The Freeh report isnt believed by anyone, and wouldn't stand up in a court for two minutes.
1. The Blehars', Paternos', and you all keep ignoring and have remain silent on the Department of Education Fines and findings addresses Paterno's participation influence in ignoring required Laws, Athletic Integrity Compliance's, and Penn State 2012 Athletic Integrity Reforms all that originate from Freeh Report Recommendations all put in by NCAA Monitor Oversight.
2. This Report came out years after Freeh Report and after Department Of Justice and Education Legal Auditor Independent Investigation and refutes you that the Freeh Report is not to believed. It actually confirmed the Freeh Recommendations were spot on and Penn State paid the largest fines in DOE History.
3. The PMA-PSU Civil Lawsuit Sealed Revelations are pending an unsealing after the Trial and came out after the Paterno Report you keep quoting.
4. All of what your keep quoting is using the The Paid For Paterno Report Opinions too and now has credibility problems on the facts and here is why you must wait. I will outline it pointy by point to you below, so you can discuss it too, and be fair. I look forward to addressing it together because I supported certain aspect too, but found others now in dispute based on subsequent facts that have come out. I respect your views on it too.
So now you use the BOT, yet it's not an excuse. Lol. The BOT and Corbett wanted Freeh. Hello?
No all true, the Trustees wanted the truth from Spanier that refused to answers questions and so they fired him and Paterno! The hired Freeh to investigate find out what happen and provide recommendations on what to do. These are facts not in dispute! The Freeh Report found evidence that led to Spanier Indictment and PAOAG Errors too. This is why I advocate a Fair Appeal Hearings for Sandusky's Constitutional Rights Appeal. But keep in mind Freeh Reports found the evidence on PAOAG Errors too.
Name one report that sob did that wasnt complete and utter bs?
The Paid For Paterno Report now qualifies more analysis since the Curley-Schultz Pleas are now in Evidence since you asked? The Spanier Defamation against Freeh Lawsuit has been undercut too since discovery. The DOE Fines proved Freeh report finding Spanier told others he did not know the Clery Act-Title IX was not being followed and proof it was Spanier responsibility.
Like i said, this isnt about football or Joe's power.
Well, this guy was given access to Paterno to write a Bio for and of Paterno and was fair and honest and came under praise by Paterno's Family and criticism by the Media and a good read to open up ears and eyes. Now that subsequent evidence has come out and changed more Books are on the way as we speak. so we all will know more not less.
The Secrets and Lies of Joe Paterno
By Joe Posnanski
LINK:
http://www.gq.com/story/joe-paterno-scandal-joe-posnanski-book-excerpt
My God, many on the BOT hated Joe. It's also why he didn't trust them.
1. Disagree a tad....You do know some Trustees were in Business with Joe do you? How could they hate him if some of them were in Business together with Paterno's full approval on signed Corporation Documentations?
2. For Your Information....Freeh's Investigation Report were also critical of the PSU Trustee's Undisclosed Conflicts of Business Interests and recommended that led Trustees and the NCAA Oversight Monitor change PSU Policies that now makes all the Trustees and all Employee (Including Coaches) Disclose such Business Interests now unlike not doing it with Paterno. this is now part of the Paterno Family Lawsuit Discovery going on with the NCAA & PSU! We can wait on that too is my point!
3. For example, the new allegations against current Penn State Trustees now include PS4RS on Al Lord's past comments and he is on your view of event side, so be careful when you call all PSU Trustees Names. After all, Al Lord has been quoted in saying....""We must restore the reputations of Penn State, Joe Paterno, Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, and Gary Schultz, and make these names a part of Penn State's future," Lord wrote to friends, fellow alumni, and members of Penn Staters for Responsible Stewardship.
LINK:
http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2015/07/the_lord_of_penn_state_needs_t.html
4. I do agree, some Trustees have been hypocritical at least when the Penn State Scandal broke and chaos came upon them and Corbett was part of helping cause it. So, you are not wrong but we will know more on the JS Appeal, GS Trial, and Civil Lawsuits soon. I can wait and so should all!
They weren't even smart enough to vet any of the claims. They are dirty as hell.
Well, this again shows the Scandal is still all about what happen at Penn State and only at Penn State and caused by Employees, Former Employees, Trustees of and by Penn State, no one on the Lair!
I thank you for your comments and will later address aspects of the Paterno Report on Freeh and you can agree to disagree where you feel free to comment on them later after I put them up, so no one eyes will be blinded or ears stopped from hearing over a Penn State Scandal with over 50 years in the making with confusion since 1998 to today with new information now coming out?
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If one of his kids were raped and abused would he feel the same...
Let me explain something to someone with obviously little reality. I don't worship any man. Do you get that? My life revolves around my family, not sports. That's not what Joe said. Of course you know that, but it doesn't fit your agenda.
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Hotshoe, if in fact you are a grown man with a family you should develop your own set of values. In Reality JVP was in many ways self serving. Take WWII for example, many of his generation quit school and joined up age age 17-18, but the man whose values who have adopted did the absolute minimum required of him in that situation. Later, when Pitt had become competitive in football, instead of relishing the challenge JVP shut down eastern college football's best rivalry's denying a generation of young people, as well as the entire state the opportunity to celebrate a great happening in the game. His lack of respect for the game of football is unfathomable. This he did for no other reason than to please himself (sorry playing Temple is just not the same). A third example of his system of values was his refusal to step down when he was clearly not coaching. He valued feeling important over the best interest of the University to a great extent. I urge you to become your own man and develop your own set of values and your own character.
hootshoe you at pathetic. ups,spanier, curley shultz and paterno should all rot in he** for what they let happen.
But I guess that doesn't fit your adgenda. After all your a family man, maybe even have kids. But no remorse for the
kids RAPED by Sandusky and covered up by paterno, spanier, shultz and curley to protect the football program.
But I guess that doesn't fit your adgenda. After all your a family man, maybe even have kids. But no remorse for the
kids RAPED by Sandusky and covered up by paterno, spanier, shultz and curley to protect the football program.
Correct. He said "I wish I had done more".
He also met with the defendants about the situation and out of that meeting it was decided not to report.
Joe Paterno was a pathetic human being. It is unfortunate you have devoted so much passion and belief in a completely disingenuous liar who cared more about his legacy than defending helpless children.
For years and years, PSU fans pumped out the story that Joe threw the President of the school out of his house when Spanier came to talk to Joe about retiring. But now the incident never happened. Amazing how PSU fans and alumni built Paterno up to be all knowing and all seeing. But now these same fans would have the world believe that Paterno was this bumbling fool who had no power and no knowledge of anything taking place.
The man admitted under oath that he was told something "sexual in nature" was taking place in the shower. But, hey, if a person notifies law enforcement that a child is being sexually molested, the person will be fired from his job.
What kind of monster actually tries to peddle the horseshit that the sexual abuse just had to continue because notifying law enforcement was outside the chain of command for Paterno? It is not out of protocol for anyone that has a soul and is not evil.
The entire world outside central Pennsylvania thinks it is a failure of humanity to hide behind the organizational chart as a reason Paterno could not notify law enforcement. The quibbling over who was or was not a mandatory reporter is appalling to anyone that is not morally bankrupt as a human being. The reason the outside world will never understand the Cult is because of disgraceful rationalizations like only mandatory reporters should stop child sexual abuse.
I guess organizational charts everywhere need to be rewritten so that if an employee knows a child is being raped, perhaps law enforcement should be notified within 10 years
The man admitted under oath that he was told something "sexual in nature" was taking place in the shower. But, hey, if a person notifies law enforcement that a child is being sexually molested, the person will be fired from his job.
What kind of monster actually tries to peddle the horseshit that the sexual abuse just had to continue because notifying law enforcement was outside the chain of command for Paterno? It is not out of protocol for anyone that has a soul and is not evil.
The entire world outside central Pennsylvania thinks it is a failure of humanity to hide behind the organizational chart as a reason Paterno could not notify law enforcement. The quibbling over who was or was not a mandatory reporter is appalling to anyone that is not morally bankrupt as a human being. The reason the outside world will never understand the Cult is because of disgraceful rationalizations like only mandatory reporters should stop child sexual abuse.
I guess organizational charts everywhere need to be rewritten so that if an employee knows a child is being raped, perhaps law enforcement should be notified within 10 years
The Sandusky Appeal, Criminal Spanier Trial, and Civil Lawsuits Discovery are now near conclusions and the Schultz-Criminal Pleas will impact all of them. How still needs to be seen, but it is Game Changer is all I can say right now.
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I have on my desk and read The PAOAG Sandusky Presentment, The Freeh Report Investigation and Recommendations, The Penn State University 2012 Athletic Reforms Policies, NCAA Monitor Consent Decree and Recommendations, The Paterno Report, The Revised Consent Decree Agreement and The Department of Education Athletic Integrity Clery & Title IX Findings and Fines. Including following most of the Criminal Motions, Appeals, many Civil Lawsuits as well as Trustees Public Meetings.
In addition was invited to take a Penn State Seminar on the Penn State University Athletic Integrity Policies and implemented.
Moreover, and in particular the PMA-PSU Cases and revelations of sealed documents are not over for Public Access and the PMA is still covering Lawyers fee but under redress later before a Court and still is not over.
Now that Curley & Schultz Pleas will be approved and used at Trial Under Oath is a Game Changer and now is Evidence that refute much of the Paterno Report Allegations, Assumptions, and Expert Conclusions just as the PMA-PSU Dispute provided the information when Joe was told in 1970s and 1980s.
I will address them point by point on how the Curley & Schultz Pleas can be used now as Evidence that refutes part of them and will do so here. I welcome all challenges, criticisms, and point by point analysis by any and everyone.
Hotshoe
Trial for Graham Spanier begins begins tomorrow (and it is being reported in the PPG) that both Curley and Shultz will be testifying in the trial, so it will be very interesting to see what new information comes out or a confirmation of information that we know is true but Penn State (tin foil hat fans) refuse to accept.
Note that you are given every opportunity to discuss these issues freely on our Board but Pitt fans are not given the same opportunity on the BWI Bubble Board. BWI wants to keep outside opinion out so the tin foil hat fans can continue to live in their own false reality.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
Trial for Graham Spanier begins begins tomorrow (and it is being reported in the PPG) that both Curley and Shultz will be testifying in the trial, so it will be very interesting to see what new information comes out or a confirmation of information that we know is true but Penn State (tin foil hat fans) refuse to accept.
Note that you are given every opportunity to discuss these issues freely on our Board but Pitt fans are not given the same opportunity on the BWI Bubble Board. BWI wants to keep outside opinion out so the tin foil hat fans can continue to live in their own false reality.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
PA public employee pension laws define specific offenses for which conviction will result in the loss of a pension. I was surprised when Sandusky's pension was revoked and not at all surprised when a court reinstated it.
Whether or not Sandusky and wife "lobbied" for pension reinstatement, I don't know. But, he did sue to have it reinstated because the offenses for which he was convicted were not included in the statute and may not have occurred during his employment. This resulted in reinstatement of his pension. Since that time the pension forfeiture laws for both state pension systems were amended to include such offenses.
Prosecutors often have allowed public employees to plead guilty to offenses that do not result in pension forfeiture. For example, in a series of cases recently prosecuted in Philadelphia (cases Kathleen Kane refused to prosecute), several Philadelphia legislators accused of taking bribes pleaded guilty to a lesser offense of "conflict of interest" (if I recall correctly). These pleas were in lieu of the much more serious charge of bribery, an offense that results in forfeiture. As a result they kept their pensions.
Concerning the pensions of Curley, Shultz and Spanier, something we don't know is whether or not they belong to one of the two state pension plans or to other private plans. PSU, like the state owned universities, allows faculty & staff to elect other retirement plans (e.g. TIAA-CREF) in lieu of the state plan. For faculty, in particular, the "other plans" are often preferable due to their "portability".
Since both Curley and Shultz are career university bureaucrats, I assume they belong to SERS. But, Spanier has moved about among several universities and might have elected another plan that would not be subject to the PA public pension forfeiture law.
(It has been some time since I was deeply involved in PA public pension matters, particularly when the forfeiture law was first passed in the GA. But, without researching more recent legislative enactments or court cases, I believe my comments are correct.)
FYI: Faculty and staff at the other two big "state related"universities (Pitt & Temple) are not part of either of PA's public pension plans. I assume Lincoln Univ is not and that Penn College of Technology (a PSU affiliate) is.
