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For only $869K, you can live on Mexican War Streets

Right. But there is plenty of affordable housing all over the place so I HATE when I hear people complaining about that. They should be saying like "There is a housing affordability problem in nice suburbs in the US." So dont live in a nice suburb then. Live in Greensburg or the A-K Valley or the Mon Valley or Fayette County. This is a totally fake "problem" and speaks to American entitlement. I dont feel sorry for anyone who cant afford to live in a nice NH or SH suburb. There are plenty of other places to live cheaply or plenty of small houses in those areas for the cost of big houses in the boonies.
Affordability is different for everyone. Sure housing is relatively less expensive the farther you get from Allegheny county but then you may spend thousands more in gas and many hours in time commuting. Unless it's a depressed neighborhood, housing does not decrease in value.
 
Years ago nobody wanted to live there and it was run down. Then a program was instituted where you could buy a run down home for $100 if you promised to refurbish according to historical society standards. The rest is history.

It's a bit ironic that government programs/decisions (rt65 and rt279) basically killed the Northside then helped to revitalize it. Areas like Allegheny West and the War Street will never slip back imo because of the people who now live there and it's location. As mentioned before The $650 million Esplanade development will likely push the housing values up a lot from where they are today.
 
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It is crazy how expensive that the patio homes etc are in Butler County. Everybody I know who has moved up there into that situation has paid more for that house than their previous Allegheny County house. It's insane.

Everything that you save in taxes, you lose on the price of the house. It's not the good deal that these people think it is.
Sold our 100 year old farmhouse on 2 acres in Wexford 10 years ago. Retired and taxes kept increasing. Bought a 2 year old custom home in Cranberry for $40k more than we got for the Wexford home, taxes are half as much, hardly any up keep and just found out Cranberry is #9 in the country for the safest communities in the US.
 
When was that? It wasn't a nice place. Parts of it still aren't. But a lot of it is ridiculously nice now. I'll avoid any political commentary, but one by one they are all becoming the house linked above.

I knew some people in Lawrenceville in the late 90s. That was an area that you didn't want to be around for too long. I remember the bank you had to go into a box where you were locked in on both sides and then they had to buzz open the interior door while the exterior door was still locked. People still tried to rob it all the time. And there were no trendy restaurants or bars whatsoever. They couldn't have survived there.
Leslie Park was known as needle park way back. Glad to see the area cleaned up.
 
I bought my house out in Central PA in 2005 for 162K. Was 3 years old when i bought it 1900 square feet. I finished the basement an additional Bathroom and 600 square feet. Small Lot small 2 car garage. Paid it off in 2017. Anyhow i would like to buy a bigger house but I will be GD’d if im gonna pay 8 to 10 k in taxes a year after it is paid off. And I know that is cheap for you guys. I thought all the Casino revenue was going to get rid and or lower property taxes? Kinda like the .32 a gallon gas tax was going to fix all the highways. It’s ridiculous how much money the government takes and pisses away. We are still paying the Johnstown Flood tax for Christ sake.
you never own property, we just rent it from the government. The moment you miss a payment, they work on seizing it , along with all the equity.
 
Sold our 100 year old farmhouse on 2 acres in Wexford 10 years ago. Retired and taxes kept increasing. Bought a 2 year old custom home in Cranberry for $40k more than we got for the Wexford home, taxes are half as much, hardly any up keep and just found out Cranberry is #9 in the country for the safest communities in the US.
Tongue in cheek, I'd say that the reason it's so safe is that the traffic is so awful, no criminal can ever get away from the scene of the crime. So they don't bother.
 
It's a bit ironic that government programs/decisions (rt65 and rt279) basically killed the Northside then helped to revitalize it. Areas like Allegheny West and the War Street will never slip back imo because of the people who now live there and it's location. As mentioned before The $650 million Esplanade development will likely push the housing values up a lot from where they are today.
I'm very skeptical that the Esplanade thing will ever happen. There's too many moving parts.
 
I think the Rooney's lived closer to ccac and the McDonald's, Burger King. Real close to the stadiums.
Yeah, North Lincoln or Western Avenues, I forget. I knew the house well, because I'd walk by on the way to Steelers' games and just shake my head when Dan and his wife were living there 30 years ago. It's a lot nicer now, of course.

Dan Rooney was a man of the people, in many ways. Mt. Lebanon Art is not the same guy.
 
Why anyone would want to live in Allegheny county is beyond me. But to each their own. Love Penn Trafford school district area where we live.
 
Why anyone would want to live in Allegheny county is beyond me. But to each their own. Love Penn Trafford school district area where we live.
That's a great area for sure. But if you need to regularly be in Pittsburgh during busy times you are usually not choosing there to live.
 
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Affordability is different for everyone. Sure housing is relatively less expensive the farther you get from Allegheny county but then you may spend thousands more in gas and many hours in time commuting. Unless it's a depressed neighborhood, housing does not decrease in value.

But do you have to have it all? I know what you are saying but do you need an 800K house in the suburbs when you can have a similar house for 300K in Fayette County? Yea, the commute would be horrendous but not everyone works in Pittsburgh and that longer commute saves you 400K-500K. And get an electric vehicle. No gas needed. Listen, I wouldn't do this. But I just dont like people crying that homes arent affordable. Yes, they arent affordable in the popular places. I think it would be cool to live in Southern California but my house there would cost $5 million at least and I am not paying that. And I'm not getting a shack. But I am also not crying that SoCal isnt affordable. Its not affordable because its a super popular place to live and there's plenty of other affordable places in the country
 
It was definitely mostly terrible back then. I don't think there was any investment of note until after the current stadiums were built. The Rooney's were still there though. I think they have always been.

OK. And to be fair, I have only been back to that area less than 10 times since 2004 but my view of it then was its like a really bad slum. Now you guys are saying it went from Homewood to Shadyside in 20 years. I'll take your word for it. To me, that is extremely shocking.
 
Tongue in cheek, I'd say that the reason it's so safe is that the traffic is so awful, no criminal can ever get away from the scene of the crime. So they don't bother.
Defund the traffic! I used to ask my South Hills friends how in the reck they put up with the traffic. They all would say you needed to know the back roads and the time to travel.
 
Defund the traffic! I used to ask my South Hills friends how in the reck they put up with the traffic. They all would say you needed to know the back roads and the time to travel.

I wished they would defund the traffic. I have said before they should use eminent domain to rip down a bunch of houses and build a thru-way through Bethel Park. It has to be the most densely populated town in PA without a major road.
 
I wished they would defund the traffic. I have said before they should use eminent domain to rip down a bunch of houses and build a thru-way through Bethel Park. It has to be the most densely populated town in PA without a major road.
Why ?
People are living there for a reason

This idea of making driving easier into cities is soem
Bone headed thinking
 
I wished they would defund the traffic. I have said before they should use eminent domain to rip down a bunch of houses and build a thru-way through Bethel Park. It has to be the most densely populated town in PA without a major road.

Increasing lanes doesn't reduce traffic- typically it encourages more people to utilize the roadway which creates more traffic..
 
Increasing lanes doesn't reduce traffic- typically it encourages more people to utilize the roadway which creates more traffic..
The fact that his suggestion is “ make car travel better “
Instead of - eliminate the need for cars with public transit -
Says everything .
 
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Why ?
People are living there for a reason

This idea of making driving easier into cities is soem
Bone headed thinking

Who said anything about driving into the city? I cant be taking 20 minutes to get from one end of BP to the other for weeknight youth sports. I dont know why anyone would live there. You get all the traffic that comes with the city and slightly bigger yards
 
Who said anything about driving into the city? I cant be taking 20 minutes to get from one end of BP to the other for weeknight youth sports. I dont know why anyone would live there. You get all the traffic that comes with the city and slightly bigger yards
Sounds like you should move somewhere more convenient
 
Defund the traffic! I used to ask my South Hills friends how in the reck they put up with the traffic. They all would say you needed to know the back roads and the time to travel.
I lived in Cranberry for 33 years and it is busy at times but I would not trade that traffic for anything in the South Hills. I never considered living in the SH for that very reason.
 
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OK. And to be fair, I have only been back to that area less than 10 times since 2004 but my view of it then was its like a really bad slum. Now you guys are saying it went from Homewood to Shadyside in 20 years. I'll take your word for it. To me, that is extremely shocking.

In the Northside's Allegheny West neighborhood, if anyone is interested in moving and getting away the awful traffic in the suburbs... They should get close to their asking price.

 
But do you have to have it all? I know what you are saying but do you need an 800K house in the suburbs when you can have a similar house for 300K in Fayette County? Yea, the commute would be horrendous but not everyone works in Pittsburgh and that longer commute saves you 400K-500K. And get an electric vehicle. No gas needed.
My wife has a car, but I don't own a car. I like public transportation and would never be able to rely on the public transportation options in Fayette, or even Washington or Westmoreland or Butler County, which are limited. To me, my time is extremely valuable and I don't want to spending hours and hours a week sitting in a car to be getting to and from work or other places.
 
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My wife has a car, but I don't own a car. I like public transportation and would never be able to rely on the public transportation options in Fayette, or even Washington or Westmoreland or Butler County, which are limited. To me, my time is extremely valuable and I don't want to spending hours and hours a week sitting in a car to be getting to and from work or other places.

I get that and there are reasons to live in the city or the nicer suburbs. I just hate when I hear people complain about the lack of affordable housing in cities or the ritzier suburbs. Dont live there then. You cant have it all. Stop complain that you cant get a house for 350K in Upper St. Clair. There's a reason for that. A lot of people want to live there. Look at this house in Masontown. Its a fine house for 172K. Would be 572K in USC. But people complain that they cant afford to buy a house. Buy this house in Masontown then and find a company that allows you to work from home. Or buy it in USC for 572K and STFU. Affordable housing in cities and ritzier suburbs is done. The economy is too good and too many people can afford expensive houses.


 
The bubble will burst. There's just limited supply which keeps prices high.

We really need more reasonably priced housing for people. There just isn't enough of it.
I wouldn’t drive my car thru that sh@t hole neighborhood.


Keep thst filth out of the suburbs though, please. As long as I don’t see it, let ‘em be
 
People are so different. Urbanites that dont own cars or drive, suburbanites and rural folks. No right answer and no one size fits all. Growing up in the country on 5 acres surrounded by farms on 3 sides, I can't handle living in an urban setting. I need land and wide open spaces and a big backyard. But that's just me. For some, that probably sounds like hell.
 
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I get that and there are reasons to live in the city or the nicer suburbs. I just hate when I hear people complain about the lack of affordable housing in cities or the ritzier suburbs. Dont live there then. You cant have it all. Stop complain that you cant get a house for 350K in Upper St. Clair. There's a reason for that. A lot of people want to live there. Look at this house in Masontown. Its a fine house for 172K. Would be 572K in USC. But people complain that they cant afford to buy a house. Buy this house in Masontown then and find a company that allows you to work from home. Or buy it in USC for 572K and STFU. Affordable housing in cities and ritzier suburbs is done. The economy is too good and too many people can afford expensive houses.



I'm not sure if Google maps even knows where Masontown is located... You might of posted a link to the ugliest house in PA for Hobbits. Is that a 6 ft ceiling?

Now that I think about it, you probably could fix that place with a bulldozer.
 
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Did anyone notice the amount of Polynesian players that Washington had or generally the amount of Polynesian players on Pac 12 rosters. Most didn't go to HS in Hawaii or American Samoa. There has been a mass exodus of Polynesians from Hawaii, especially to the Western states. Why? Cost of living. Hawaiian land became very valuable after statehood and with rich folk moving in, it helped drive the prices of homes and everything else way up. So a whole lot of natives left.

This reminds me of what's going on now. There is no more affordable housing in the cities or richer suburbs. Those days are over and they are never coming back. Everyone wants to live in these places and while some want to blame interest rates or a housing bubble, those are just minor accelerants. There has been a generational shift to the suburbs and cities from rural America. You would think that after Covid 19, the opposite would hold true as people would rethink the idea of living in crowded areas.

But here's my point. Move to rural America. You cant have it all. Many Polynesians left Hawaii in search of lower housing costs and lower cost of living. Its time that Americans realize that instead of complaining about it, they are going to have to move to rural America and make that longer once a week or once a month drive into the city for work.
 

Did anyone notice the amount of Polynesian players that Washington had or generally the amount of Polynesian players on Pac 12 rosters. Most didn't go to HS in Hawaii or American Samoa. There has been a mass exodus of Polynesians from Hawaii, especially to the Western states. Why? Cost of living. Hawaiian land became very valuable after statehood and with rich folk moving in, it helped drive the prices of homes and everything else way up. So a whole lot of natives left.

This reminds me of what's going on now. There is no more affordable housing in the cities or richer suburbs. Those days are over and they are never coming back. Everyone wants to live in these places and while some want to blame interest rates or a housing bubble, those are just minor accelerants. There has been a generational shift to the suburbs and cities from rural America. You would think that after Covid 19, the opposite would hold true as people would rethink the idea of living in crowded areas.

But here's my point. Move to rural America. You cant have it all. Many Polynesians left Hawaii in search of lower housing costs and lower cost of living. Its time that Americans realize that instead of complaining about it, they are going to have to move to rural America and make that longer once a week or once a month drive into the city for work.
First time watching a pac10 team ?
 
First time watching a pac10 team ?

No. But it was probably about 15 or so years ago when I realized that very few of them went to HS in Hawaii. Used to wonder why they didnt stay home. They never lived there because there families were "priced out." Washington did seem to have an unusually high number though
 
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