Friermuth is ass
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You may only care about where he played
I care how he plays
You also overly hated on Pickett because of where he played in college .
Totally disagree!! He get's gratis and unwarranted accolades because he's from Penn State, but the reality is, he's a JAG...on overpaid JAG. He's been with the Steelers for what..three years, and I have yet to see one person on this board attack him because he's was from Ped U. Unlike Kenny - who was attacked from day one.
I think you guys are a bit hyper on some of this stuff. I do think Freiermuth is completely overrated. But it has nothing to do with where he went to school.
The bar for TE is extremely low and most NFL fans are box score watchers with a very limited, almost childish, understanding of the game.
They will give you a lot more credit for splash plays than take it away for your bad plays. That's why people think Sam Howell is a good QB: he got to throw it 700 times and in fantasy football you don't lose points for sacks. So it didn't matter that he couldn't manage a 1st down until his team was down 28-0 because in the end he put up some sugar stats in garbage time and that's all the casuals care about.
The only people that want to make anything over where a guy went to school are just trying to create drama.
The thing is, I’m sure there are outliers, but it has always seemed to me that elite QBs have an elite TE. And plenty of Steeler fans have Muth pegged as an elite TE, or he’s just a QB away from it. Would Mahomes make him better? Of course. But he drops too many balls and doesn’t often bail his QB out and make the above average plays. And he can’t run after the catch, and of course we know how his blocking is.
Come to think of it…maybe he’s the Kenny Pickett of Tight Ends. Wait what????
Friermuth, Najee Harris, and Kenny Pickett are basically the same person at their respective positions to me. And it's why we're trying to win games while scoring 20 or less, usually.
I think the only hate Friermuth gets is from a few tribalists on a Pitt message board.
Which is weird to me, because I would trade him and his $12M/year salary for some grass seed.
It feels like fans - and even the team, by virtue of the extension he was given - want him to be something he just is not.
Harris had 3 straight seasons in which he had 1,000+ yards to start his career. Is there any other current running back that has accomplished this in the NFL?
Harris - Underrated
Muth - Overrated
Now look at the amount of carries he's getting.
3.9 yards/rush in 2021
3.8 yards/rush in 2022
4.1 yards/rush in 2023
Woohoo... he barely cracked 1,000 yards the last two years in a 17-game season. I'm supposed to be excited about that? He just so happens to play for a team that wants to play rugby instead of football.
He's like an MLB innings eater with an ERA of 4.69. That doesn't impress me much, and I am confident Shania Twain feels the same way. I can't even think of five impressive plays he has ever made in the NFL.
The Steelers must not be impressed either because they didn't pick up his option.
His line has been mostly garbage. How many other guys have done it since it’s so easy?
Durability is the only compliment I can give him. And I don't even think that matters, because they could just keep incurring injuries throughout the season, signing guys off the street, and getting the same results.
He is the ultimate "take what is given to you" back. Doesn't break tackles; doesn't take anything to the house. You could get similar results with Kamala Harris. He is JAG McJAGger. I like him, but he's just an average back.
Averaging 70 yards per game over 17 games gets you to 1000. All that shows is that he got lots of touches and stayed healthy enough to get there.
1500 yards should be the new benchmark, if not 1700.
He doesn’t turn it over as well. That counts too.
How many guys rushed for 1,500 yards last year? How many rushed for 1,700?
It's cause other guys get hurt and miss time. He never hits a speed of over 8 mph or breaks a tackle, so he plays a pretty safe brand of football.
A dozen guys rushed for 1,000 yards last year. It's not a special number. James Conner had more yards on about forty less carries than Najee last year while playing for a team that lost 13 games.
I don’t know. But I know 1000 yards isn’t any more impressive than 20 saves for a reliever.
Conner is underrated as well.
There are both good running backs. They aren’t great, but very few are today. The bar being set by some people on this board is absurd. 1,500 yards or better yet 1,700 is outlandish.
Should yards per carry not be the ultimate measuring stick? Because he isn't close to the top.
I mean I get it: the line sucks; the defense knows it's coming; etc. So that's not a perfect stat either. But to call Najee anything other than a volume back seems misleading at best.
I think 1,400 yards would be the equivalent of 1,000 yards in the '70's.
What’s outlandish about that? I read your post praising Najee for 1000 yard seasons as a statement regarding something significant. It’s not…unless you want to praise him for being durable enough to do it. The benchmark for a good game is 100 yards. Therefore I’ll reserve my accolades for someone who averages that over the course of a season.
YPC:
2021 - 37th
2022 - 40th
2023 - 23rd
2024 - 34th
I guess if you give him enough carries he can hit the big 1,000. Just like the 90-year-old at South Park can eventually put the ball in the cup after a 75-yard drive and a series of chips that wouldn't be long enough to throw a runner out trying to steal second base.
2021 - 37th
2022 - 40th
2023 - 23rd
2024 - 34th
I guess if you give him enough carries he can hit the big 1,000. Just like the 90-year-old at South Park can eventually put the ball in the cup after a 75-yard drive and a series of chips that wouldn't be long enough to throw a runner out trying to steal second base.
Harris's super talent is being able to take a ton of punishment and not get hurt. Which is like the D- of super hero powers if you're a RB.
I'd much rather replace him in the aggregate with 3 RBs that each only stay healthy for 6 games per year but none of them cost a Day 1 or Day 2 draft pick.
That's what I'm saying. It's like watching Connor Joe start all 162 games or something. I applaud the durability, but the production just isn't good.
Connor Joe has 83 hits in 364 at-bats. If he had the most at-bats in the league (currently 660), that would project to about 151 hits with his batting average. That would put him within striking distance of the top 25 in total hits in major league baseball. Like, if that isn't volume production I don't know what is. Same way I view Najee. I mean, he's probably better than Joe; I'm just giving an example of how much volume can really skew the stats.
Yep-
he’s totally replaceable - which we’ve seen proof of - since he’s injured every 5-6 game.
If Najee was a second or third rounder he’d be a fan favorite .
Folks are weird
If KP was from PSU you know the same people adamantly defending him and slamming the Steelers would be doing the opposite.
I'm a huge fan of COLLEGE KP, because he led MY SCHOOL THAT I LOVE, TO THE ACC TITLE, Steelers KP was pretty bad, and if he was from Penn State I'd criticize his poor performance just as much
He wasn’t “pretty bad”. He was asked to manage games, win them, and not turn the ball over. And he did that. You’d think one would understand that now.
The same could've been said for Terrell Edmunds. The problem is he wasn't so it's expected a first-rounder, especially at running back, is one of the elite playmakers at his position. Harris is a volume producer.
Pickett was objectively bad and that's why he isn't starting. He should have a long career as an NFL backup.
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