Don’t care if he played at App State or Penn State, Freiermuth sucks. Gisicki also played at PSU and he’s a much better pro TE.
Friermuth is ass
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He was better production wise than muth .
So why the double standard , seeking nitter validation ?
Bad? Objectively he wasn’t, if you’re a smart objective person. He won games and led his team to plenty of wins/comebacks…which is more than most 1st/2nd year Qbs.
41st in completion %
39th in yards per attempt
38th in yards per game
37th in TDs
27th in QBR
29th in passer rating
Worst TD% in NFL history for a QB with 500+ passes
That is objectively bad.
Anyone can spin stats. I can too. He won games in a Canada offense with no weapons and no offensive line. He did what he was asked and more. Plenty of results for a guy who started and finished less than 2 seasons of football.
Heath's backup was Matt "waste of" Spaeth. Pretty similar to Muth actually. I think he could block a little though.
Yep I’m with you. Muth probably a shade better as a receiver and 2 shades worse as a blocker.
And there are likely a half dozen backups in the league who might be better than Muth.
I argued with a dude a couple weeks ago that Najee was not a good first round pick based on value..... and to follow that up with Muth in the 2nd was damn near criminal as a "luxury" pick to appease Ben for a hopeful final playoff run.
He said "you think taking the best TE in the second round was a "luxury" pick?". Unbelievable.
Had they drafted Oline with those first two picks drafting Pickett the next year would have made a lot more sense and may have worked out well.
Instead they got an average running back and a tight end that can't block at ALL with below average hands for a guy who may as well be playing slot receiver.
They then had to use the next two drafts to rebuild the Oline and will likely have to draft another QB in the next couple of drafts.
Thank god we have Muth long term!
How would you judge Justin fields season so far ?
Is he objectively bad as wel?
I don't completely hate PF as a player. My thing is that for all the organization's obsession with traditional TEs who can block...they ended up with a big TE who won't. And resigned him. So why not just get a more athletic, receiving TE in the modern mold? There's no difference except you gained athleticism.
TO ME, this is an example of how "the Steeler way" gets them into trouble. Their focus on the "Steeler prototype" and "continuity" now has them invested long-term in a bigger TE who won't block and isn't a plus athlete either. He's not a bad player...but is he really worth that investment?
I’m impressed with Fields. He’s doing what’s asked of him. As I expected and stated here before the season, he has a better scheme, and better interior pass protection and that will assuredly help any QB. His legs make up for his lack of accuracy. And his accuracy and ball protection have exceeded expectations. People outside of the city keep telling me that he will soon remember that he’s Justin Fields, but I dunno, one thing Mike instills in his players is to protect the football and they mostly do it. Under Mike T, if you don’t protect the ball, you lose games. Mitch showed us that. We essentially lost every game he played in, and won most of the others.
I don’t hate him either. His contract over the term will not be a major investment. He will be paid like an average TE. But if there was a wins above replacement stat for football players, he’d be a guy you could replace with a younger cheaper guy on a rookie deal and win just as many games. And potentially more.
That's all opinion, everyone's opinion may vary from someone else's, neither your opinion nor mine is fact.
Different positions, you can't compare TE and QB especially any receivers' numbers are going to be anemic post Big Ben
Ben had double digit picks every year, but 25-30 TDs makes up for that
nobodies talking about life with a HOF franchise QB several years ago. We are talking about what Mike has devolved into.
100% agree - he’s doing better than I expected - but Arthur smith is also the right OC for him .
Sure you can ..
It’s like baseball WAR stats
Muth is a most a 0.8 WAR player . Kenny was closer to 1.0.
When muth is hurt , the offense isn’t impacted .
Unless the replacement was Mitch…at which point it was a loss. Lol. Kenny and Mason won games at a .700 clip. But when Mitch played, they lost.
The rushing game improved dramatically last year when Muth was hurt and Washington got the playing time.
6th in completion %
21st in yards per attempt
29th in yards per game
24th in TDs
22nd in QBR
12th in passer rating
Doesn't have the worst TD% in NFL history for a QB with 500+ passes
Not a great season by any means. Has show improvement from his play in Chicago in some areas, but has a lot of room to improve for me to be sold on him as the starter beyond this season. The offense isn't quite as painful to watch as it was with Pickett under center.
assuming you mean the regular season games and not the playoff game? Mason’s performance in those final few games were pretty good. But why only include his games post Canada and not Kenny’s? The offense changed instantly. You forgot?
Kenny wasn't exactly lighting up the scoreboard in that game post Canada either. He is a backup in the league now. It's okay to say Kenny Pickett wasn't a good NFL starting QB.
Do you watch the games? The offense has been bad this year, but not as bad as the last two seasons, which was dreadful to watch. They were one yard away from putting up 27 points last week and are showing some signs of at least a little bit of progress. They have a long way to go, but as I said, Justin Fields hasn't done anything yet to make me believe he's a long-term answer as a starter for this team. But take it how you want to fit your narrative.
Kenny was not a 1.0 WAR player... which would be the equivalent of being a 10.0 WAR player in baseball. He was a 0.0 WAR guy. And Mitch was -2.0 and played like he got shot in a war.
The play calling and scheme are better - the results aren’t any different .
2 passing Touchdowns and one rushing
The Steelers were first in the division and 7-4 when Pickett was the starter. People tend to omit that fact because their beloved Steelers could do no wrong.
You're just deflecting from my point that Kenny Pickett was a bad starting QB and the stats that backed it up. In a very small sample size, Fields is better in every category.
Yet he threw for more yards and scored more
Touchdowns in the same 3 game sample last year than Fields
If you honestly think the offense this year would somehow be worse with Kenny - despite being a better passer than fields -ony
Demonstrates you’re biased
Kenny Pickett being a bad starting QB for the Steelers has nothing to do with Justin Fields.
However, the Steelers are averaging 17 PPG with Fields vs. 16 PPG with Pickett. The head-to-head stats also have Fields ranked better in every category. Neither are good starting QBs.
Learn ball? Read my posts. Kenny Pickett is not a good staring QB. Justin Fields is not a good starting QB.
Quota, baby, quota. Pass 'er on 1st; run 'er on 2nd.
Edit: wrong thread, but Friermuth is still ass
Edit: wrong thread, but Friermuth is still ass
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