Game 4 trash game
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Almost pulled it out.
Shut the game off after 4-0 and watched last week's Blacklist with the wife. When it was over it just became 4-3.
Should have started this week's episode......
Shut the game off after 4-0 and watched last week's Blacklist with the wife. When it was over it just became 4-3.
Should have started this week's episode......
Murray.
None of the goals scored tonight were his fault and it would not have mattered who was in net. We played horribly in the first two periods and they get a few bounces too. That's hockey.
None of the goals scored tonight were his fault and it would not have mattered who was in net. We played horribly in the first two periods and they get a few bounces too. That's hockey.
I think you're correct in your assessment but my gut tells me Fleury gets the nod.
i think they will go to Fluery now as well and if he plays well, he will be our goalie for as long as we can ride, which hopefully is raising the cup!
I agree. There is nothing wrong with Fleury, he is an elite goalie. He is a huge reason the Pens got in the position they were in. Fleury has won a cup and is cool under pressure which will surely ramp up from here on in. He's healthy and rested. Ride him!
He played good in his first action back from injury. He should be the goalie going forward, unless he stumbles, then you have a good option.
Murray first 7 games. 6-1 record, 1.86 gaa, .944 sv%. Murray last 6 games. 3-3 record, 2.83 gaa, .892 sv%. The numbers speak for themselves.
For those that think Murray got you here....we wouldn't even be in the playoffs if it wasn't for Fleury. Now is the time to switch, Murray has seen too many games. This has been a great experience to him, now its time to hand the keys over to the experienced driver.
For those that think Murray got you here....we wouldn't even be in the playoffs if it wasn't for Fleury. Now is the time to switch, Murray has seen too many games. This has been a great experience to him, now its time to hand the keys over to the experienced driver.
- As most know, I've analyzed goals that goalies have given up over the years from the standpoint of what happened and could the goalie have done anything better in preventing the goals ..... that's what goalies and their coaches do after every game ...... I usually give a pretty detailed analysis but after reviewing the goals against Murray last night, the short analysis is that I agree, he played them about as well as he could and there isn't much else he could have done to stop them..... there were no soft/bad goals by Murray last night.
- That being said, as teams have gotten to know/face Murray more, they have found some weaknesses and although he is still overall playing well, his stats are declining.....
For the entire playoffs his GAA is 2.33 and Save % is .923
For the Tampa Bay series his GAA is 3.02 and Save % is .889 and for the last 6 games his GAA is 2.98 and Save % .892.
- Now, GAA and Save % can be misleading and don't always reflect the true performance of a goalie, and people are working on advanced analytics for goalies but it has been somewhat difficult to get stats ..... Green Goals (high % goals ...... deflections/rebounds/passes across the midline/one timers/broken plays/breakaways, etc.) vs Red Goals (low % goals) ...... "Quality starts" ...... "Goals saved above average" ...... "Adjusted save %", etc. .... all trying to more accurately assess a goalies performance ......
- The series is now best out of 3 and you obviously want your best goalie playing ...... Murray has done very well in the Playoffs but I see his performance dropping a little as teams get to know him and learn his weaknesses and maybe he is wearing down a little ..... good arguments can be made in favor of playing either goalie and there is no definite answer ..... personally, I would play Fleury in Game 5 as I think he is the better goalie and now appears healthy ...... and I would decide who plays Game 6 depending on the results of Game 5 ..... I'll be interested in seeing how Sullivan feels.
Fleury is ABSOLUTELY the better goaltender of the two and I would have no problem whatsoever if he started Sunday's game.
Also, of course Murray's stats have declined. He was playing at a historically great level. Nobody could keep up that pace - not against this level of competition.
The problem is if you play Fleury in Game 5, and you lose, I'm not sure that you can go back to the young guy for Game 6. That is a lot of pressure to put on a young dude who had never faced anything close to this level of pressure before. This kid has a great long-term outlook but he is still just 21 years-old and almost completely unproven.
Conversely, if you go with Murray and he struggles, the veteran Stanley Cup winning goalie should be able to step in and play well right from the jump.
I think Murray plays and plays well and the Penguins win a tough game against their Eastern Conference rivals.
Also, of course Murray's stats have declined. He was playing at a historically great level. Nobody could keep up that pace - not against this level of competition.
The problem is if you play Fleury in Game 5, and you lose, I'm not sure that you can go back to the young guy for Game 6. That is a lot of pressure to put on a young dude who had never faced anything close to this level of pressure before. This kid has a great long-term outlook but he is still just 21 years-old and almost completely unproven.
Conversely, if you go with Murray and he struggles, the veteran Stanley Cup winning goalie should be able to step in and play well right from the jump.
I think Murray plays and plays well and the Penguins win a tough game against their Eastern Conference rivals.
The stakes are higher.the pressure is ratcheted up several notches...
Go with the guy that's been there. He's a hall of fame goalie. Put him between the pipes tomorrow night.
Go with the guy that's been there. He's a hall of fame goalie. Put him between the pipes tomorrow night.
-Considering the goals the Pens gave up, the amount of breakaways the Pens gave up, and how lousy the defense has looked, what difference would it even make? I don't think its going to make any difference. When you give up odd man rushes and multiple breakaways every single game, the other team is going to score in the Playoffs. You can't be an idiot on defense.
- If Fleury is the better goalie (as you and I believe) and is healthy, why would you not play him ?
- Murray's stats have declined for two reasons IMO .... 1) It is difficult to maintain the great stats he had in the earlier games and .... 2) Opponents have found some weaknesses in his game like the 6 hole, glove hand high, rebounds into the slot when shots hit him from certain angles, playing a little deep at times. etc. ..... if Murray's stats in future games mirror his stats the last 4-6 games, it is unlikely the Pens will win the CUP ..... he will have to play better from here on (as will the rest of the team).
- If you are worried about too much pressure on Murray playing in a Game 6 elimination game, then you shouldn't want him playing in Game 5 where there will be a great deal of pressure .....you really have to play every game like it is an elimination game at this point.
- I can't prove or quantify it, but I think Fleury brings some intangibles and confidence to his teammates ...... sometimes that helps.
- Sullivan seems to like Murray so Murray may be in goal for Game 5 ..... if he is, fine, but if it was me, Fleury would be in goal ...... on the other hand, what do I know ?
The return of Beau!!
I'm actually really intrigued to see what he brings. Sheary is good against slow teams, Tampa neutralizes his speed and renders him useless. Bennett actually has skil and should be a better winger for Malkin.
I'm actually really intrigued to see what he brings. Sheary is good against slow teams, Tampa neutralizes his speed and renders him useless. Bennett actually has skil and should be a better winger for Malkin.
1.) I would've stuck with Murray but I always knew that it was a close call. I hope Fleury does well and I expect he will. I have a lot of confidence in that guy.
2.) I don't think it is a definite but it sounds like Beau Bennett is likely going to play as well – probably in place of Connor Sheary. Bennett is not a bad player when we can stay healthy. Personally, I think Sheary is a better player but he has struggled over the past week or so and I'm OK with this one too.
3.) Trevor Daley has been BY FAR our second best defenseman during the second half of the season. That is a catastrophic loss.
He plays 22 minutes per night. This is going to put a lot of pressure on guys like Dumoulin and Schultz - whom, I suspect will split most of those minutes. Also, Maatta needs to pick up his game.
It's time.
2.) I don't think it is a definite but it sounds like Beau Bennett is likely going to play as well – probably in place of Connor Sheary. Bennett is not a bad player when we can stay healthy. Personally, I think Sheary is a better player but he has struggled over the past week or so and I'm OK with this one too.
3.) Trevor Daley has been BY FAR our second best defenseman during the second half of the season. That is a catastrophic loss.
He plays 22 minutes per night. This is going to put a lot of pressure on guys like Dumoulin and Schultz - whom, I suspect will split most of those minutes. Also, Maatta needs to pick up his game.
It's time.
I posted in another thread, I would start Murray. I think it's a mistake to go with MAF in this game. Hope I'm wrong. MAF faced about 7 shots last game, time will tell how he does tonight.
1) I have been a Murray supporter but I think it is absolutely the time to go Fleury. He is ready, he is rested and Murray has come back down to mere human levels. Right now the TB goaltending has been a lot better. In some respects, I also expect Vasilevsky to come back to earth some (also called regress to mean) because he has been unbelievable. I think MAF will give the team a big boost, not in confidence, but just because he is well liked and they want to play well in front of him.
2) Yeah Bennett is going to go I guess. I kind of forgot about him. He has the skill, but I may have gone with Sundquist who has a bit more grit and rounded game.
3) Daley is a huge loss, but it is time for Maata to step up. What is it with the Ranger lineage, Dubinsky, Staal, Callahan and their constant desire to want to kill Penguins?
2) Yeah Bennett is going to go I guess. I kind of forgot about him. He has the skill, but I may have gone with Sundquist who has a bit more grit and rounded game.
3) Daley is a huge loss, but it is time for Maata to step up. What is it with the Ranger lineage, Dubinsky, Staal, Callahan and their constant desire to want to kill Penguins?
I mean, they lost with Murray in net in Game 4. He did face more shots though. But, not by much.
