It told ESPN that the 14 schools are committed until 2036 so ESPN felt safe enough to make the investment. I would wonder if FSU won this suit if ESPN would sue them for breach. They told them they were in it till 2036 and built a network partly based on that.
It looks like FSU is voting to challenge the GOR tomorrow
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It told ESPN that the 14 schools are committed until 2036 so ESPN felt safe enough to make the investment. I would wonder if FSU won this suit if ESPN would sue them for breach. They told them they were in it till 2036 and built a network partly based on that.
I am not so sure I agree with you.
ESPN takes the stand and says "for us to make the commitment for this network," we needed the inventory from all 14 teams until 2036 WHETHER THEY ARE IN THE ACC OR NOT.
Lets use a generic farming example.
Some farming consortium goes up to Independent Farmer Jones and says we want you to be in our farming co-op or whatever and we will pay you X per year. You can leave at any time but we retain the rights to farm your land. Seems to me like its a 2 sided deal: one side gets guaranteed income. The other gets the production rights. Or maybe I just made the case against a GOR, who knows.
The issue the ACC has is we all know what the GOR was for.
Ok, well we all know FSU knew it too when they signed, more than once.
Ok, well we all know FSU knew it too when they signed, more than once.
ESPN’s contract is with the ACC.
The GOR is between FSU and ACC.
ESPN would have a standing issue.
Amendment was made in 2016 extending to 2036.
Florida State's lawyers claiming this in public should give everyone insight into how limited their abilities are.
Alliance 412 can surely use the windfall, though. I encourage FSU to not only advance with their suit but also to also withdraw from the ACC next.
Naturally, they won't. Because they're weasels.
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Land is actually one of the few cases where specific performance is generally allowed, although I’m not sure it would be in that situation.
You’d have the same issue though in that situation:
How speculative are the damages? Was it so impossible to calculate what the yield from the field would be that not only did you need an LD clause, but the clause required specific performance and not a monetary payment?
It seems to be that, in your scenario, the field can reasonably be expected to yield a certain amount of crop a year, and the market rate for that crop is $XXXX. So “X” is when your damages.
I don’t think it requires specific performance, and im not sure it even requires an LD clause.
Interesting. Basically this comes down to how a federal judge in NC or Fla interprets this. You can make cases for and against.
I realize that it’s not the official site, but it’s the sediment shared by most of their fans
And their board is made up of a bunch of fanboys that get their info from internet bloggers, so it is surely the is university sentiment that the institution can't overtly convey because of legal ramifications.
Once they signal their intent to leave, they'll lose voting rights in the conference. That's why FSU is trying to say they aren't committed to leaving yet. Which of course is rubbish.
If the ACC has a legal angle to strip them of voting rights, and withhold revenue payments, it should start doing so. And if it can strip FSU's voting rights, the next step should be also to bring in USF as soon as possible (and make sure FSU gets an away game with them).
everybody else can’t be the only ones allowed to say random stuff that doesn’t make sense. Let’s all get in on the fun.
If I recall, the GOR specifically cites the ESPN contract. Are the two tied together? I don't know. I'm not an attorney and can't say if it matters, but I know the two are somehow connected.
FSU's arguments for breach look dubious at best to me. It becomes an argument of damages, and the FSU attorney didn't seem to have any problem coming up with the calculation of what it was. Is it reasonable? Who the hell knows at this point.
I don’t get what they gain really by leaving a few extra million dollars? With the 12 team playoff actually think it’s more beneficial to stay in a conference where you have a chance to be in a playoff every year and advance and make even more money. Has opposed to going to a super conference where you’re going to lose one or two games and not get in because there’s other teams that went undefeated. I don’t understand why they’re not more forward thinking, and just have football only conferences and leave the rest of the sports the same???
Forward thinking obviously never occurred to them. Pretty crazy how far they painted themselves into a corner for so long.
This is where the negotiated buyout will come from. FSU won't risk getting nothing. The ACC won't risk imploding altogether. FSU is getting out, but not for free, and the ACC will get something that they interpret as protection for the next event.
They have won national championships and aspire to win more. They feel they cannot win NC's even if they make the 12 team playoff every year because the SEC and B10 will have too much more money.
We have no idea what the playoff will look like after 2025 because they have yet to.make.a decision.
Pay for play is coming and maximizing revenue will be important.
I think they’re accounting too much for now and not for the future. In the future with the transfer portal and NIL conferences won’t matter because if you get the right coach you can make more money off tv eventually anyways. There is a bubble and limit that will burst because if you make college football like baseball that tv money will go down. And interest will only come from 15% of the country. That is the future peril.
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The money doesnt matter until you can start paying players directly. Alabama employing more analysts and support staff than FSU isnt going to help them beat FSU. Better players and coaches will.
Dont you think the next step for those super conferences will be to leave the NCAA all together?? Because if it’s like baseball it will get old real quick…. Then you will have the schools that can’t afford a “minimum NIL employment deal” right?? Or am I thinking too much negativity about this??
I didn’t really understand their argument for breach, or didn’t really pay attention to it enough.
I just saw on Twitter it’s going to take 60% of FSUs endowment to leave then I saw this ( copied)….
“Most wins by ACC programs
(last 5 years)
1. Clemson 60
2. Pitt 41
3. Wake 38
4. NCST 36
5. Miami 33
6. UNC 32
7. UVA 31
8. FSU 29
T9. VT 28
T9. Syracuse 28
T9. BC 28
T9. Louisville 28
13. Duke 27
14. GaTech 21
Yet the program with 1 more win then BC is ready for the SEC???”
Lol this ☝️100% all day everyday
“Most wins by ACC programs
(last 5 years)
1. Clemson 60
2. Pitt 41
3. Wake 38
4. NCST 36
5. Miami 33
6. UNC 32
7. UVA 31
8. FSU 29
T9. VT 28
T9. Syracuse 28
T9. BC 28
T9. Louisville 28
13. Duke 27
14. GaTech 21
Yet the program with 1 more win then BC is ready for the SEC???”
Lol this ☝️100% all day everyday
By signing the GOR, Florida state said the ACC has the right to negotiate a better TV deal on our behalf than we could negotiate on our own. It was a significant financial gain for Florida State at the time (Reward).
That’s why we have courts. Let’s see which side has the better argument. This one is worth fighting to the end not from a financial harm to the ACC argument, or potential reputation harm but a simple breach of contract law. This is why no institution has challenged the GOR.
Florida State wants the ACC to settle. The ACC should not negotiate a settlement and see this through until the end. Use the financial strength of all the members of the ACC to win this argument once and for all even if the conference dissolves in 2027 or 2036. Even if it means having to deal with an unhappy member for the next 13 years. Win it and scare the hell out of anyone else thinking about leaving any conference with a GOR.
For all intents and purposes, they have left the NCAA. It's just a matter of a label at this point.
No it doesnt. Its not worth 1 win. What would Alabama's record have been had they had 20 fewer analysts/support staff? My answer is 13-1.
The light at the end of tunnel was much closer for Texas than FSU.
The ACC as we know it is done, it’s not a matter of if but when. All that matters is how much money can be grabbed from the exiting schools and where we end up next. My sincere hope is that university leadership is fully focused on the next step rather than trying to piece together what’s left of the ACC. Proactivity now can make or break the future of Pitt athletics.
You know what's funny about all of this? FSU proved themselves you don't need all the money to go undefeated and compete for a championship. And next year they would have been in as a Top 4 seed with bye. So they are going to let one blip, one stupid anomaly made by 13 uninformed people, to lead them down this stupid path.
If they are mad at anyone, if they should sue anyone, its the CFP for having this stupid committee and format where 13 random people pretend to not be biased decide the best 4 teams when none of these school play a similar schedule every year. It's basically a beauty contest that for some reason the SEC and B10 win every year. The fact it's supposed to be the best 4 teams at this point in the season is a cop out. Then why does record and conference championships even matter? Hell I could make a legit argument Pitt was playing better than anyone at the end of 2021. Doesn't mean they should have been in the playoff. They lost two games they should have won.
Somehow Alabama can struggle against a 6-6 team and win on a miracle one week and be in. Yet because Florida State struggled to move the ball in the first half of the ACC Championship with their 3rd string QB against a Top 15 team they don't desrve to be in. Even though they did move the ball in the 2nd half, won the game and will get back their backup who played great down the stretch.
It's so stupid and really the fallacy over the SEC/B10 being in a league of their own is going to be disproven over the next few years when they actually have to start proving themselves in a real playoff and not one set up for them to won so easily. Hell the current format already has exposed how overrated the B10 already is.
I'm looking forward to it...and an overdue apology from message board geniuses as well! haha!
If they are mad at anyone, if they should sue anyone, its the CFP for having this stupid committee and format where 13 random people pretend to not be biased decide the best 4 teams when none of these school play a similar schedule every year. It's basically a beauty contest that for some reason the SEC and B10 win every year. The fact it's supposed to be the best 4 teams at this point in the season is a cop out. Then why does record and conference championships even matter? Hell I could make a legit argument Pitt was playing better than anyone at the end of 2021. Doesn't mean they should have been in the playoff. They lost two games they should have won.
Somehow Alabama can struggle against a 6-6 team and win on a miracle one week and be in. Yet because Florida State struggled to move the ball in the first half of the ACC Championship with their 3rd string QB against a Top 15 team they don't desrve to be in. Even though they did move the ball in the 2nd half, won the game and will get back their backup who played great down the stretch.
It's so stupid and really the fallacy over the SEC/B10 being in a league of their own is going to be disproven over the next few years when they actually have to start proving themselves in a real playoff and not one set up for them to won so easily. Hell the current format already has exposed how overrated the B10 already is.
I'm looking forward to it...and an overdue apology from message board geniuses as well! haha!
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FSU suing the ACC would have happened regardless of the playoff snub. The snub changed nothing other than they added it to their fanboy-derived list of grievances. This move was telegraphed to the public at their August board meeting. No one should be surprised.
Supposedly, it galvanized more of the players in their donor base. They had a faction who was strictly hellbent on moving to the SEC, and now they're more open to "anything but the ACC," which I assume just includes the SEC, BIG, or independence.
Yet don’t actually have an offer from another conference
They just think they are a power
Nobody is surprised, but the bowl snub played right into their hands. Had they gone to the playoffs, they'd have had less of a case to make.
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