It looks like FSU is voting to challenge the GOR tomorrow
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They can challenge it, and they will surely ultimately get out with some kind of negotiated discount, but it's not happening overnight. It will be drawn out.
I hope they spend far more money to get out then what they may gain if they just waited a few years.
What would be the motivation for the ACC to negotiate a discount to get out? I thought from a legal standpoint, the GOR was rock solid.
No longer having an openly disgruntled lame duck member who will leave eventually anyway. Because there is always risk in litigation. Because litigation can be expensive and distracting. Because it's likely better to focus on strengthening the conference than fighting scorched-earth litigation with a soon-to-be former member.
The ACC needs to stand up to them and do everything they can to hurt their university and athletic department purposely. No mercy, no compromise, just wave the middle finger high!
If GOR's weren't rock solid why didn't Texas and Oklahoma leave the Big 12 earlier?
They didn't have to wait very long - probably wasn't worth the trouble of contesting.
None of us know if it’s rock solid. Texas and ou were only 2 years out before theirs ended so it wasn’t worth it to fight.
FSU has 13 years. Looks like they will fight it. It’s a huge risk. We’ll see now if the courts say it is rock solid.
Exactly.
I’m preparing withdraw forms right now for case in which my client’s daughter was driving around drunk and high as a kite on drugs. She decided to run across a highway while talking to a police officer. Another police officer was arriving at the scene and saw everything. The daughter was hit by oncoming traffic and died at the scene. Crash report narrative only cited my client’s daughter at fault. Progressive still tendered the limits to my client on behalf of their driver.
It’s all about risk-reward calculations.
The GOR is on good legal footing. But it was never on some ironclad legal footing. And the potential challenges to it always had merit.
Nobody has ever challenged it to this point not because they just couldn’t be legally challenged. But because the risk-reward calculation never made sense to challenge it.
Now it does.
Doesn't it seem like that there is always a negotiated settlement for business things like this? Court cases are never 100%.
There is nothing preventing FSU from leaving tomorrow, right? But all of it's media would still be part of the ACC package (ESPN). Wouldn't ESPN (Disney) be the aggrieved party here?
Someone mentioned TX/OU leaving early. Didn't they actually leave one year early? And didn't it involve some horse trading between FOX/ESPNDis? I'm pretty sure a Texas game got flipped to FOX or something... And the Big 12 got some money....
Agree, they can say- done going independent- I guess.
Then get sued by everybody.
Or challenge the GOR thing was crap from the get go and maybe get a goofball judge to agree.
Does it even matter anymore?
Then get sued by everybody.
Or challenge the GOR thing was crap from the get go and maybe get a goofball judge to agree.
Does it even matter anymore?
These are legit points.
The counterpoint is if they give on it, it creates the precedent that would embolden others to follow suit.
Desantis swaps Reedy Creek board seats/rescinds reedy creek control in exchange for fsu media rights. Win win for both Disney and fsu. It was the long play all along. The woke argument was all smoke and mirrors last year.
Nah nothing is ever “RockSolid” if they get enough schools to challenge it they can get it dissolved. Interesting people want to think that the 3new schools wouldn’t be on FSU side. It’s my contention they would, not so much because they want to go anywhere. A newly formed ACC would let them get paid which they aren’t currently. Guess we’ll have to see what happens next on “As FSU turns”.
You know for SURE if you cut a deal with FSU, that precedent will be established for other schools.
It would seem to be all or nothing, but if the GOR holds up, the ACC would be in a much stronger position in the near term vs conceding without a fight.
Its a decision between those two options.
But if the GOR doesn’t hold up, you lose the members and get nothing.
A negotiated settlement with FSU establishes the true cost of leaving, and the ACC could be paid that amount.
I don't even care anymore. Let the ones who want to leave leave. Whatever conference that is left over is sure to be good enough to produce at least one of the top 5 conference champions most years anyway. As long as Pitt has a legitimate and realistic path to the playoffs if they win 11-12 games in a year I could care less what conference we are in and who else is in it with us.
You mean ACC voluntarily cut a deal for less than the GOR value? No way.
FSU has little leverage there imo except to continue to crap on the league in public.
I see them more challenging the merit of the GORs or them agreeing to it to begin with.
Anything's possible. It only takes one judge. But would seem someone would have already tried.
I guess ACC with ESPN could cut and run.
FSU has little leverage there imo except to continue to crap on the league in public.
I see them more challenging the merit of the GORs or them agreeing to it to begin with.
Anything's possible. It only takes one judge. But would seem someone would have already tried.
I guess ACC with ESPN could cut and run.
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I think most people would agree with this.
College Football is a shell of its former self.
This is what will happen. They’ll negotiate something. Then once that is established unc, uva and Clemson will see if it’s worth it to follow or wait a little longer.
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So they're going to talk about it some more? Guess we'll see if they actually decide to do anything. Not sure how many times you can read a document and hope for something new. Also sort of weird that they would have to go to HQ to read it. They signed the stupid thing so they probably have a copy. More likely trips to HQ were to read the TV deal because I'm pretty certain that's what has bigger teeth.
Maybe they can get a change of venue and move the case to Colorado....they might have a shot.
Tomorrow at 10am ET, my first step of getting to the moon will be to get out of bed. From there, it gets a bit more difficult.
I am warming up to FSU not making the CFP 
So FSU is going about this backwards. They are afraid to leave without their TV rights so they are going to stay in the ACC until a Florida court "removes" the GOR. Just leave now.
It’s just seems like the stakes here are much higher. Agreeing to negotiate an out likely means the death of the ACC.
10 schools have to walk away for the ACC GOR to dissove,you aren’t getting that,you might not get half of that
This is not just an FSU question in scope. If they come to a settlement then a clear path is determined for the likes of UNC, Clemson etc.
Fight hard and long
Fight hard and long
If FSU does this, there’s not really a scenario where that’s not the case anyway.
