Lets face it Kenny may be
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Yup. If you think/hope/expect the Steelers to make it back to the Super Bowl within the next 2-3 years (or at the very least contend for it), the majority of the starting offensive lineup is most likely not even in place:
QB Pickett
RB Warren
WR Pickens
WR Maybe Johnson? Maybe Austin?
WR ?
TE Freiermuth
LT Jones
LG Maybe Seumalo?
C ?
RG Maybe Daniels ?
RT ?
If the idea is to build an offense like what you see in San Francisco or LA in 2018 when the Rams made it where Pickett only has to be a game manager, it’s going to look a lot different in the near future. At most, there’s four “locks” in place already. Give Khan and Weidl another offseason, plus Kenny a competent offensive coordinator, and then we’ll be able to tell what we have. In the meantime, it’s a very flawed team whose ceiling is sneaking into the postseason.
Bust, sucks, take your pick from a bunch of unstable in the moment posters who can't see beyond their phones.
We've got a young QB playing behind a crap OL, with one real WR, and a starting RB who can't hit a hole. And oh, his OC is hot garbage. Gee I wonder why he's lacking confidence. Somehow the dude is still leading 4th quarter game winning drives to keep his coaching staff employed.
What's the problem with having 2-3 successful TD drives in the first 58 minutes? Yeah, he's had multiple drives at the end of the game, even vs SF when they got crushed the TD was at the end of the half. Is it the prevent D? Is it the play calling? Is it him calling plays? The game winning drives are great, but when the team is averaging less than 18ppg, and very few successful drives for almost the entire game, what is the problem?
We get it, you're not a Steelers fan and you just root for or against individual players based on where they went to school. Heck, you'll quit being an Inter Miami fan the split-second Messi leaves
He's Comeback Kenny. Always has been good at those 4th quarter drives. Just make sure the defense holds them to less than 17 each week so he has a chance to work his magic. Because we know we'll be digging in the couch cushions for change in those first 58 minutes.
I don't know, ask the coaches to figure it out. Maybe it's because they're not running Najee up the middle on first and second down. Maybe it's because they're playing with some urgency. Maybe Kenny has more freedom. Maybe Canada is calling a different type of game.
Point is, he's more than capable. Replicate it.
You told us to call you out if the Steelers won and now you're calling people out for doing what you asked?
It is true, that ALL DAY LONG, they try to create these methodical, 1997 Cowher drives, riding a bus that has long left the station and only when they need to, do they run proper plays. I guess that's a part of why Ben is #3 all time behind Peyton and Brady in 4th quarter comebacks, but I still think Kenny has to do better the first 58 minutes.
We get it, you're not a Steelers fan and you just root for or against individual players based on where they went to school. Heck, you'll quit being an Inter Miami fan the split-second Messi leaves
Correct. The Steelers are my favorite team as long as Kenny is the QB.
The only reason I have even a half-hearted interest in the Stillers is because of who they have at QB now. If Kenny is replaced at QB at any time, I won't care one way or another what the Stillers do.
So, you don't have any FAVORITE TEAMS, where you root for the laundry no matter who's wearing it? You just root for individual players, and the teams you support change based on where they go?
I WAS VERY HAPPY to see this Baltimore sportswriter ridicule the Steelers passing game, good to see it in print somewhere! Although Pickens can make plays, too bad he's not in an offense with sophisticated routes and schemes, and instead in this peewee league offense.
Steelers passing game is so simplistic and they don't have a receiver who can make a play downfield. There were just chants of fire Canada, Pittsburgh's offensive coordinator. Best nickname I heard was calling him Canada Dry.
— Mike Preston (@MikePrestonSun) October 8, 2023
So, you too? You don't have a favorite TEAM just root for certain players wherever they go?
Steelers only threw two passes down field the whole game and one went for a touchdown. That's some real hard hitting analysis.
Just telling the truth that it's simplistic and obsolete is good enough for me, it's backwards, simple and meant for 1975, it's not something you'd see someone like Andy Reid, a coach FAR SUPERIOR to Tomlin associated with. in fact, throwing only 2 passes downfield the whole game is in itself an embarrassment for an offense in this era. Dumbass Rooney wants to recreate some sort of nostalgic 1975 Stillers Football/pound da rock vibe and Tomlin is his stooge for life that implements it.
Watching Dallas - SF game Sunday night was a little depressing. Purdy was carving up the Cowboys. They do such a great job of finding ways to scheme different guys open and he had some dimes. Dak had some terrible throws, but this one was pretty. McCarty has used Turpin on jet sweeps and I’m sure SF saw that on tape. Gets him a free release and with one safety in the middle of the field, once he dusts the corner it’s over. I’d love to see Steelers use this with CA3 in motion. Hell how about Pitt with Che.
I'd love to see how Kenny would look if he had receivers as wide open as Purdy usually has, nobody near them, with room to run. Steelers receivers 90% of the time have guys hanging on their backs as they fight for contested catches. I think the Steelers don't understand the whole idea of scheming guys open, they just run the basic Tecmo football routes and call it a day
There really isn't anything groundbreaking there. Most defensive players openly mock how simplistic the stupid offense is and how easy it is to defend.
Not only open receivers, but I'm guessing Purdy stays pretty clean. I didn't watch the game Sunday night, but I'm willing to bet Purdy had a clean pocket most of the evening despite a pass rusher of Parsons' caliber on the other side.I'd love to see how Kenny would look if he had receivers as wide open as Purdy usually has, nobody near them, with room to run. Steelers receivers 90% of the time have guys hanging on their backs as they fight for contested catches. I think the Steelers don't understand the whole idea of scheming guys open, they just run the basic Tecmo football routes and call it a day
I could only get the Texans radio feed to listen to the Steelers-Texans the week before, but I found one thing very interesting pointed out by the Texans' broadcast crew: in the game versus the Steelers and in the prior week (in other words, the only two games the Texans have won this season), Stroud was not sacked once. Look at a guy like Daniel Jones -- he's taken a beating this year, and guess what? His team is 1-4.
But every additional time it's said, and every additional time the Steelers are mocked for it, I celebrate. I would be happy if they did a whole 15-minute piece about how stupid and simple the Steelers offense is and totally mocked the franchise, owner and coaches at halftime of SNF and MNF on consecutive nights.
The Steelers and the Cowboys both have a lot of the same problems on offense. And one of the biggest ones is lack of spacing. Both teams keep running route combinations where a lesser number of defenders can cover a greater number of receivers. It leads to so many problems: WRs aren't open so the QB holds the ball longer (sacks) or they throw into coverage (INT); WRs have tougher catches (incompletions) or get tackled immediately, both leading to longer conversion tries and longer drives. That makes scoring unsustainable.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Watch what the 49ers and Dolphins do on offense. Tons of late motion and forcing defenders to cover 2 guys. Easier throws on the QB. Yes, it still takes the QB to process all of that very quickly and put the ball on the money, but I'll take asking a QB to think quickly pre-snap and throw to an open guy versus diagnosing a messy concept in < 2.5 seconds and getting the ball to a covered WR.
The Steelers have one of the worst passing game concepts I've ever seen in the NFL. Canada will never be an NFL OC again after this year. Never. He's simply in way over his head. That doesn't make Kenny good but I am almost totally certain that with a more capable OC, Kenny would play much better than he does today.
The Steelers WRs suck. The line sucks. Their problems are our problems. Pickens is the only legit NFL starter WR and would be a #3 for some teams. Getting Johnson back will help but he isnt a starter for a lot of teams. I dont know who was available but keeping Conner and drafting a WR or lineman would have been much more helpful than drafting Najee. And for those who say Conner gets hurt, who cares, the RB position isnt important.
Is it the receivers or the obsolete pass route schemes we get because Rooney forces Tomlin to run a 1975 offense? Would these same receivers be open if we had modern SF or KC style pass routes and schemes?
IMO, it's 60/40 on the scheme. The part that's on the pass catchers is that Johnson is out and we're forcing reserve WR - Austin and Robinson - into more prominent, full time, roles for which they are not suited.
I think a really good coach can get almost any WR open. Yeah, Miami has Tyreek Hill but Waddle has been hurt so they're also giving a ton of snaps to nobodies like Braxton Berrios and Durham Smythe. Yet they're still wide open almost all the time according to this data.
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Would you guys like San Fran's offense?
I don't watch the NFL much but if there was a team or 2 that I will tune into, San Fran would be one of them.
The reason being is, they are multiple pro-style. They've been criticized by guys like JT O'Sullivan for having to basic of a scheme. I like most of JT's analysis and his breakdown on scheme and coaching in general. But, San Fran isn't much different from what Denver was doing late in Elway's career or the early Plummer years. It works because they've got talent. And, the scheme is sound just like it always has been.
Scheme at the pro-level is so overrated. It's about QB play and defense... Don't believe me? We had a QB here for 15+ years who kind of proved it.
I don't watch the NFL much but if there was a team or 2 that I will tune into, San Fran would be one of them.
The reason being is, they are multiple pro-style. They've been criticized by guys like JT O'Sullivan for having to basic of a scheme. I like most of JT's analysis and his breakdown on scheme and coaching in general. But, San Fran isn't much different from what Denver was doing late in Elway's career or the early Plummer years. It works because they've got talent. And, the scheme is sound just like it always has been.
Scheme at the pro-level is so overrated. It's about QB play and defense... Don't believe me? We had a QB here for 15+ years who kind of proved it.
I don't think scheme is overrated in the modern NFL.
The entire game right now is about spacing, movement, and timing. The teams that are successful at doing that are absolutely rolling.
Shanahan keeps plugging in complete nobodies and getting 90+ passer ratings out of them. He's turned Mr. Irrelevant into an MVP candidate. A similar system run in Miami also has an MVP candidate with a QB that everyone except me called a bust for 3 years. A third system, also from this same philosophy, run in Houston has the leading OROY candidate and they blew our doors off by 4 touchdowns despite having no OL and nobody WR.
I agree, those teams often have guys running open in space with room to run, our guys are always blanketed fighting for contested catches, scheme has to be part of that.
