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Miami is all that?

And that's why officials shouldn't be employees of a conference. Miami is undefeated. If there is any doubt whatsoever and you are a ref, you cannot make a mistake which hurts the team that the conference wants to see win. You work for them. They sign your checks.
 
Miami certainly looks good to me.

Cam Ward is the real deal.

I agree with the call at the end, the ball was moving
 
There is no way that guy had possession of the ball at any point in that "catch". The first and only player who ever actually had possession of the ball was the Miami guy who was out of bounds.

Right.

People saying “bullshit” are trying too hard

The ball is moving the entire time. And then the Miami player gets his hands on it while he is going out of the bounds.

There’s a reason the dude for ESPN had it right and the refs had it right.
 
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That only is true if both players are in bounds, would the Miami player be considered in bounds if he goes out when going to the ground?

It was a joint catch. The only justification to overturn is that if they felt Miami was out of bounds when they caught it. But was that clear and undisputable evidence? Is it really INDISPUTABLE. This is why I like soccer reviews. They take like 30 seconds. If they take any more than that, its not indisputable.
 
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There is no way that guy had possession of the ball at any point in that "catch". The first and only player who ever actually had possession of the ball was the Miami guy who was out of bounds.
Yeah, they made the right call as much as I'd like to see Miami lose. You have to keep control through going to the ground. If the ball comes loose when your go to the ground then you must stay in-bounds when you regain control, the Miami player both gained control and was out of bounds when it was contested.
 
And that's why officials shouldn't be employees of a conference. Miami is undefeated. If there is any doubt whatsoever and you are a ref, you cannot make a mistake which hurts the team that the conference wants to see win. You work for them. They sign your checks.
The refs didn’t change the call. It was the replay booth.
 
Miami certainly looks good to me.

Cam Ward is the real deal.

I agree with the call at the end, the ball was moving

They didn’t look good.
But that’s also the thing. In terms of raw talent, they just played one of the 2 or 3 most talented teams on their schedule.
Turned the ball over 3 times.
And won.

That’s what good teams do.
 
It was a joint catch. The only justification to overturn is that if they felt Miami was out of bounds when they caught it. But was that clear and undisputable evidence? Is it really INDISPUTABLE. This is why I like soccer reviews. They take like 30 seconds. If they take any more than that, its not indisputable.
If the player loses control of the ball while simultaneously touching the ground with any part of his body, or if there is doubt that the acts were simultaneous, it is not a catch. - Directly from the rule book.

When that ball came out it was a contested catch and one of the people was out of bounds while contesting for it, and came away with it.
 
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Yeah, they made the right call as much as I'd like to see Miami lose. You have to keep control through going to the ground. If the ball comes loose when your go to the ground then you must stay in-bounds when you regain control, the Miami players both gained control and was out of bounds when it was contested.

It was a joint catch when he hit the ground. Then the Miami player wrestled it out after they were both down.
 
It was a joint catch. The only justification to overturn is that if they felt Miami was out of bounds when they caught it. But was that clear and undisputable evidence? Is it really INDISPUTABLE. This is why I like soccer reviews. They take like 30 seconds. If they take any more than that, its not indisputable.

If it’s a joint catch and the Miami player is out of bounds, then the play is dead.
 
If the player loses control of the ball while simultaneously touching the ground with any part of his body, or if there is doubt that the acts were simultaneous, it is not a catch. - Directly from the rule book.

When that ball came out it was a contested catch and one of the people was out of bounds while contesting for it, and came away with it.

He doesn’t even need to come away with it. The second he touches it while out of bounds, the game is over.
 
He doesn’t even need to come away with it. The second he touches it while out of bounds, the game is over.
That's what I'm saying. Not only is he out of bounds when he is contesting it, he is the one who ends up with control after going to the ground. So I'd say there are two valid results for that play before a TD could be called.
 
He doesn’t even need to come away with it. The second he touches it while out of bounds, the game is over.


I think a lot of people don't understand that at any place on the field, the moment that a player who is out of bounds touches the ball the play is over. The player doesn't even have to have possession or control of the ball. He just has to touch it.

It comes into play most often when a guy is attempting to recover a fumble (not that that happens all that often either), but it's no different when someone is trying to catch a pass.
 
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Right.

There’s a reason the dude for ESPN had it right and the refs had it right.
I think it was proper call but, for what it's worth, the rules expert for ESPN said he didn't see indisputable evidence and the call on the field should have stood.
 
Pry is a bigger idiot than Cristobol. About as good at clock management as Tomlin.

And you'd think they'd quit blitzing off the edge when Ward would just take off up the middle and get first downs.

I don't think anyone ever had control on the last pass, but I'm not sure anything was conclusive in the replay.
 
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I think it was proper call but, for what it's worth, the rules expert for ESPN said he didn't see indisputable evidence and the call on the field should have stood.

Eh. He basically just said he wasn’t prepared to say what he “thinks” is a substitute for what actually happened.

But that’s silly. Maybe because it’s a small sample size in college football compared to MLB, but the MLB replay system is absolutely broken because of the deference given to the call on the field.
 
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I think a lot of people don't understand that at any place on the field, the moment that a player who is out of bounds touches the ball the play is over. The player doesn't even have to have possession or control of the ball. He just has to touch it.

It comes into play most often when a guy is attempting to recover a fumble (not that that happens all that often either), but it's no different when someone is trying to catch a pass.

I’m not sure I fully understood that until I saw a player field a kickoff and purposely put his foot out of bounds before fielding the ball, thereby drawing an out of bounds penalty on the other team.

That was the first time that rule because absolutely crystallized for me.
 
While we’re mentioning idiot coaches and time management, Washington decided to kick deep to Rutgers down 3 with about 1:40 left but only 2 timeouts. Debatable but reasonable. They need to have the kicker hit it deep to ensure no runback and no extra time off the clock.

So off course the kicker purposely makes sure the kick lands inbounds for some reason, so now Rutgers gets an incredible gift of a runback and to burn an absolutely crucial extra 7-8 seconds off the clock. But know for whatever reason the Rutgers returner inexplicably calls for a fair catch and no time comes off the clock. They end up surviving a missed FG at the buzzer, but Washington never would’ve had that chance without those extra gifted seconds. I swear these coaches are regressing rather than progressing when it comes to clock management.
 
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I’m not sure I fully understood that until I saw a player field a kickoff and purposely put his foot out of bounds before fielding the ball, thereby drawing an out of bounds penalty on the other team.

That was the first time that rule because absolutely crystallized for me.


Yes, that's another time it happens, again, pretty rarely.

It happened on a fumble recovery in a Pitt home game several years ago, I really don't remember who the opponent was, and the people around me were livid. Why isn't that Pitt's ball? The Pitt player got possession of the ball and he was in bounds!

Yeah, but before he got possession of the ball that opposing team player touched the ball while his leg was out of bounds. And at that exact moment the play was over. What happened after that didn't matter.
 
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While we’re mentioning idiot coaches and time management, Washington decided to kick deep to Rutgers down 3 with about 1:40 left but only 2 timeouts. Debatable but reasonable. They need to have the kicker hit it deep to ensure no runback and no extra time off the clock.

So off course the kicker purposely makes sure the kick lands inbounds for some reason, so now Rutgers gets an incredible gift of a runback and to burn an absolutely crucial extra 7-8 seconds off the clock. But know for whatever reason the Rutgers returner inexplicably calls for a fair catch and no time comes off the clock. They end up surviving a missed FG at the buzzer, but Washington never would’ve had that chance without those extra gifted seconds. I swear these coaches are regressing rather than progressing when it comes to clock management.

What was distance for a first when they kicked?
 
I think a lot of people don't understand that at any place on the field, the moment that a player who is out of bounds touches the ball the play is over. The player doesn't even have to have possession or control of the ball. He just has to touch it.

It comes into play most often when a guy is attempting to recover a fumble (not that that happens all that often either), but it's no different when someone is trying to catch a pass.
Thankfully there are a few people like yourself that understand the rules.
 
While we’re mentioning idiot coaches and time management,


If you saw the end of the Bears - Colts game last weekend, the Bears score with 2:01 on the clock to cut their deficit to five. They decide to kick deep. In that situation, the coach has to, absolutely has to, tell the kick returner to run the ball out if they kick it in the end zone. Because you want the clock to start and run a few seconds so that the two minute warning comes before your first down play.

Instead, the Bears kick it into the end zone and the Colts call for a fair catch.

It ended up not mattering because the Colts got a first down and ran out the clock. But that's the kind of thing that if the Bears had gotten a stop and got the ball back with an extra 40 seconds on the clock because you were too dumb to tell your guy that he had to return the kick, well, decisions like that get guys fired.
 
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If you saw the end of the Bears - Colts game last weekend, the Bears score with 2:01 on the clock to cut their deficit to five. They decide to kick deep. In that situation, the coach has to, absolutely has to, tell the kick returner to run the ball out if they kick it in the end zone. Because you want the clock to start and run a few seconds so that the two minute warning comes before your first down play.

Instead, the Bears kick it into the end zone and the Colts call for a fair catch.

It ended up not mattering because the Colts got a first down and ran out the clock. But that's the kind of thing that if the Bears had gotten a stop and got the ball back with an extra 40 seconds on the clock because you were too dumb to tell your guy that he had to return the kick, well, decisions like that get guys fired.
Yea - that was a real bonehead decision.
 
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If you saw the end of the Bears - Colts game last weekend, the Bears score with 2:01 on the clock to cut their deficit to five. They decide to kick deep. In that situation, the coach has to, absolutely has to, tell the kick returner to run the ball out if they kick it in the end zone. Because you want the clock to start and run a few seconds so that the two minute warning comes before your first down play.

Instead, the Bears kick it into the end zone and the Colts call for a fair catch.

It ended up not mattering because the Colts got a first down and ran out the clock. But that's the kind of thing that if the Bears had gotten a stop and got the ball back with an extra 40 seconds on the clock because you were too dumb to tell your guy that he had to return the kick, well, decisions like that get guys fired.
Yeah, that was bad.
 
There is no way that guy had possession of the ball at any point in that "catch". The first and only player who ever actually had possession of the ball was the Miami guy who was out of bounds.
This is what I saw also. The overturn looked to be correct.
 
Wasn’t the Virginia Tech Coach the Former DC at Ped State? He obviously learned how to mismanage his Time Outs from Milkdud, during his time there. This dude actually screwed up utilizing his Time Outs in both the 1st Half and the 2nd Half.

As far as the decision on replay review on the Final Play, the Virginia Tech Player never had complete control of the ball, so it was correct to overturn the On-Field Call. Although, it was a tough way to lose the Game, Virginia Tech still blew a 10 Points Lead, so there were several other Plays in the 4th Quarter that ended up costing them the game.

I think a Loss by Da ‘U’ would have provided PITT a better chance to make the ACC Title Game, but probably would not matter, as I think PITT is just not good enough on the Defensive Line(Losing a Few Starting Players to the Transfer Portal really hurt the Team this year, along with losing Defensive Line Coach, Charlie Partridge to the NFL) and the Offensive Line(just have not recruited well enough there, or possibly too young, and recall they added 1 Offensive Lineman from the Transfer Portal, but they needed a few more Players).

I am not sure how the few injuries have hurt the Offensive Line for the Games versus Cincinnati & WVU, but Holstein was under a lot of pressure and sacked too many times in both of those Games. I hope the injured Players will be available for the tougher ACC Games and the Offensive Line also improves as the Season moves along, but I see 3-4 Losses during Conference Games. Narduzzi does occasionally coaches PITT to a Big Upset, so maybe he gets one over Clemson at Home or Louisville on the Road, which I assume will be the 2 Toughest Games for PITT.
 
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While we’re mentioning idiot coaches and time management, Washington decided to kick deep to Rutgers down 3 with about 1:40 left but only 2 timeouts. Debatable but reasonable. They need to have the kicker hit it deep to ensure no runback and no extra time off the clock.

So off course the kicker purposely makes sure the kick lands inbounds for some reason, so now Rutgers gets an incredible gift of a runback and to burn an absolutely crucial extra 7-8 seconds off the clock. But know for whatever reason the Rutgers returner inexplicably calls for a fair catch and no time comes off the clock. They end up surviving a missed FG at the buzzer, but Washington never would’ve had that chance without those extra gifted seconds. I swear these coaches are regressing rather than progressing when it comes to clock management.
Pry did the same thing. Instead of kicking it out of the end zone near the end of the first gale they squib kicked it and Miami returned it to mid field. That FG was huge
 
Nope. Just watched it again. I'm pretty sure he didn't control it all the way but pretty sure isn't conclusive. It was called a TD, it should've been a TD.
 
Nope. Just watched it again. I'm pretty sure he didn't control it all the way but pretty sure isn't conclusive. It was called a TD, it should've been a TD.
I thought he had it in his arms for a second and then it was pried out with one hand by the Miami defender. But it wasn’t clear for sure. Given the call in the field was a TD the call in the field should have stood.
 
Nope. Just watched it again. I'm pretty sure he didn't control it all the way but pretty sure isn't conclusive. It was called a TD, it should've been a TD.

This. It certainly wasn't conclusive, which is has to be. But... It was getting overturned if conclusive or not.
 
There needs to be a “I don’t know” option for the refs.

All the majority of people are saying is, “I don’t think he caught it, but the call on the field was catch, so it has to stay catch.” And that’s just dumb.

It’s impossible to have looked at that play in real time and seen anything either way. Impossible. It’s only because the refs have to make *a* call, that any call was made.

But with instant replay, that doesn’t have to be the case. Just choose the phone a friend option on plays like that.
 
There needs to be a “I don’t know” option for the refs.

All the majority of people are saying is, “I don’t think he caught it, but the call on the field was catch, so it has to stay catch.” And that’s just dumb.

It’s impossible to have looked at that play in real time and seen anything either way. Impossible. It’s only because the refs have to make *a* call, that any call was made.

But with instant replay, that doesn’t have to be the case. Just choose the phone a friend option on plays like that.
Yes, we can argue that it's dumb. But it's the current rule, and I think most people are saying the refs got it wrong under the current set of rules. Lucky break for Miami. To have a special season, you normally need a lucky break or two so Canes have to be feeling good right now.
 
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