of course, then the tomlin apologists can blame others for giving mediocre mike a poor roster to work with..
OT: Steelers Draft 2025
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Fixed - and herein lies the problem. Mahomes couldn't make this offense better.
The steelers should get max value for any player that isn't young with upside if possible. They have a lot of guys that are getting paid and are aging and/or underperforming. Get what you can for those guys and build your roster from the trenches out. Fields is fine
Problem is there aren't many guys who both make sense to move and would bring anything back. The list is pretty much just Watt. Heyward is too old at this point. And I'm pretty sure they owe Minkah a bunch of guaranteed money so they might as well just keep him at this point.
Im not familiar enough with the players' contracts so i'll take your word for it. In that case I still think the draft strat is the same. Get better along the lines with young talent and when salary space opens up make your moves for impact skill guys. I have no clue what there really is to gain by taking a wr or rb with their first pick.
Here’s some food for thought: Abdul Carter had a medical concern pop up at the Combine. Let’s say he slides on Draft Night… do you look for him at #21 and then shop TJ Watt? I think you could shop Watt regardless with Highsmith and Herbig, but Carter would likely be the BPA.
I don't think Herbig is a starter in this league. You can put him in during obvious pass rush situations, but he's not durable (or talented - particularly against the run) enough to be an every-down guy.
In my opinion, if you shop Watt you do so with the notion in mind that it's just about getting younger... so you follow it up by taking an edge guy in the first round.
If that's your guy, you need to trade TJ and Minkah for picks to start over in 2026.
You did a good job outlining how incompetent Omar Khan has been as a GM.
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Fields will insure the stillers will not be completing for anything. The rest of thoughts are 100% spot on.
Honestly, bad QB play in 2025 isn't the worst thing that could happen to them. In fact it might be the best thing that could happen to them. To build up the rest of the team but still produce a losing record while doing so, resulting in a higher draft pick in 2026, actually sounds like a plan - something they've been lacking.
Who makes the decisions regarding the HC contract ?
Simple question
Because that’s the person who’s actually in charge .
Of course he could
Have you seen the dearth of talent on their offense as aside from him ?
When you are unable to answer that question-
It tells who’s the actual apologist , here
Tomlin can be fired today by his boss , right ?
Rooney is making zero roster management or draft decisions, ZERO. Rooney has his warts, many of them but to blame the roster or drafts or FA signings on him is beyond ridiculous.
So-
I’ll ask again -
Who hires and fires the GM and HC ?
I get to some of you - the buck stops nowhere .
Most of us realize that but there will always be those who think they're clever.
I think you don't understand that regardless of Rooney's decision making, the poor decision making still comes from Tomlin and the rest of the people who are hired to actually run the club. Ineffective ownership isn't necessarily the root cause of poor football performance because the Rooney's being "cheap" isn't new.
So- who gave the HC this much control ?
Who extended him ?
Who will ultimately replace the HC ?
yes, i blame rooney for his giving into nonsense exterior pressures to not move on from Tomlin, we all know why so we'll leave it at that..
Tomlin has 100% free reign on hiring asst coaches so his absolute failure of coaches that produced not one branch on the tomlin tree is on Tomlin..
I believe Colbert had influence on drafts and rosters before he retired but khan the accountant was an internal promotion because bringing in someone from outside of the organization at GM wouldnt have worked due to Tomlin having control. No GM worth a lick would have taken tat job to come in and be tomlin's asst.
Of course it is
They let Colbert destroy 8-9 years of drafts and sign assinine extensions .
Who hired the front office People and scouts ?
Who extends Tomlin and supposedly gave him
Personnel decision power ?
who will fire and hire the HC?
The Redskins are a perfect example about how new ownership can affect a franchise .
So you don’t believe Art Rooney when he explicitly said adding additional coaches aren’t necessary?!
You guys just can’t believe what people actually tell you!
There is no exterior pressure to retain Tomlin .
You’re goofy
Art didn’t hire him .
everyone locally here, fans and media, know tomlin is a disaster but like i've said a milltion times, he will NEVER get fired. he can go 0-17 for a decade and his job is safe...
Time for steeler fans to accept this. nothing in the world will change that. at best you can hope for is he decides to move on.. fingers crossed.
They wont be competing for anything next year with or without fields so it just depends how cheap hed be to keep.
If Carter fell to 21 I’m guessing they would have a few teams looking to move up and take him. Think of Jaylon Smith, who was a projected 1st rounder until he tore his ACL in ND’s bowl game. Dallas still picked him at 34. Times change, but Carter is arguably a higher rated prospect, at a higher value position, with a far less serious injury.
By for the sake of argument, if I couldn’t trade out, I’d take him then look to trade one of the other OLBs. Probably TJ since he’s 31, in a contract year, and may jump at the chance to go to a contender to try to win a ring.
Not suggesting that he's even worth $6.4 mil per year. That's probably a lot to tank your season.
Justin Fields | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com
Justin Fields signed a 4 year, $18,871,957 contract with the Chicago Bears, including $11,085,060 signing bonus, $18,871,957 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,717,989. In 2025, Fields will earn a base salary of $25,664,000, while carrying a cap hit of $25,664,000.
$6.4 seems about right based upon his production relative to other QBs around the league. I’d even go a bit higher than that if it means less term or guaranteed money. Until he shows otherwise, he should only be in their plans for two seasons. After that they need to keep the option to cut bait.Not suggesting that he's even worth $6.4 mil per year. That's probably a lot to tank your season.
Justin Fields | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com
Justin Fields signed a 4 year, $18,871,957 contract with the Chicago Bears, including $11,085,060 signing bonus, $18,871,957 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,717,989. In 2025, Fields will earn a base salary of $25,664,000, while carrying a cap hit of $25,664,000.www.spotrac.com
This isn't directed at you but on the topic.
Resigning Justin Fields is sounding a lot like when a WPIAL player hits the portal after not doing anything at their current school.
A year ago, the stillers were the only franchise interested in Justin Fields. If JF had ended up anywhere else and got benched for his play; would any stiller fans be interested in signing him? I doubt it.
They are only in this situation because of how poorly Khan has mismanaged the position. They now need to pick the from the "best" bad solution on the table. I don't think that is Justin Fields.
Oh, I agree. Still gonna call a duck a duck and not pretend it's the farmer's fault that it's a duck.
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