Muth!

[str61166]

When he was drafted, Creed Humphrey was available. There have been a number of people I noticed on Twitter mentioning that and how they should have picked him instead. Hindsight is 20/20 but even on paper I feel like it would’ve made more sense, try to continue the lineage of great Steelers centers plus TE feels like more of a “luxury” pick. Instead they oddly liked Kendrick Green who was a clear bust.

Hopefully Freiermuth pans out okay. He’s a bit limited but Pickett did like targeting him last season on some big plays. And when it comes to Pickett criticism, obviously QB is going to be dissected a good bit more than a TE.

 

[pittdan77]

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There was nothing wrong with the blocking except Dan Moore not realizing he needs to move faster and block down on the backer/safety. RB should win a one-on-one there. Garret isn't really impacting the play if Moore makes that block.

 

[TheWerewolfFromTwilight]

When he was drafted, Creed Humphrey was available. There have been a number of people I noticed on Twitter mentioning that and how they should have picked him instead. Hindsight is 20/20 but even on paper I feel like it would’ve made more since, try to continue the lineage of great Steelers centers plus TE feels like more of a “luxury” pick. Instead they oddly liked Kendrick Green who was a clear bust.

Hopefully Freiermuth pans out okay. He’s a bit limited but Pickett did like targeting him last season on some big plays. And when it comes to Pickett criticism, obviously QB is going to be dissected a good bit more than a TE.

Good point on that one. It's not like the radio shows are going to devote segments to the freaking tight end not playing slightly below average. People generally just don't care about that as much.

 

[pittdan77]

When he was drafted, Creed Humphrey was available. There have been a number of people I noticed on Twitter mentioning that and how they should have picked him instead. Hindsight is 20/20 but even on paper I feel like it would’ve made more since, try to continue the lineage of great Steelers centers plus TE feels like more of a “luxury” pick. Instead they oddly liked Kendrick Green who was a clear bust.

Hopefully Freiermuth pans out okay. He’s a bit limited but Pickett did like targeting him last season on some big plays. And when it comes to Pickett criticism, obviously QB is going to be dissected a good bit more than a TE.

I called it a terrible pick ten seconds after they made it. Remember, Ben was the QB and they desperately needed to put something in front of him. Instead, they took "Muth" and opted to put a guy who played four games at guard over the ball right out of the gate.

I think what's more baffling is that Kendrick Green was handed the starting job right away as a mid-round pick but this season's first round tackle isn't playing.

 

[pittdan77]

Anyone that thinks Kenny is blameless for his performance is either blind or an extreme Pitt homer.

Nobody thinks Kenny is blameless but he's not as much to blame as some are trying to make him.

 

[Millerton24]

He's considered a top 10 tightend, usually 6-8. There's that

 

[Pitt79]

Nobody thinks Kenny is blameless but he's not as much to blame as some are trying to make him.

I agree his OC and his whole playbook suck, also agree his O line can't protect him and can't run block, but there has been multiple times he made poor decisions and threw the ball way off target to open receivers when he did have time, including one that could have been a TD. Also, I think he should scramble and run more; he's supposed to be mobile right?

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

And once we get to the pro level I don't care about the Pitt vs Penn State stuff at all, I will love Nitters on the Steelers roster and be indifferent to Pitt guys who play for other teams. If a Pitt guy is playing for another team vs. the Steelers I'll root for him to be destroyed, even if it's at the hands of a Nitter or Hoopie Steeler.

we know, you remind us frequently

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

Anyone that thinks Kenny is blameless for his performance is either blind or an extreme Pitt homer.

He’s not playing very well, but the OL is bad, Muth is overrated, we need another play maker at receiver, and Wallace sucks on defense. And Matt Canada is awful.

 

[Pitt79]

we know, you remind us frequently

It's the only attitude that makes sense, if you're fan of the Steelers then you root for the Steelers not some individual players on other teams because of what school they went to.

 

[Pitt79]

He’s not playing very well, but the OL is bad, Muth is overrated, we need another play maker at receiver, and Wallace sucks on defense. And Matt Canada is awful.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[Schaef60]

It’s honestly a pretty good hit rate in a draft

Do any of them get a 2nd contract?

 

[revampedpanthers]

I would say it was a c draft class. Harris is a ok RB not what you want with a first round pick at RB were the guy needs to be a star but he is a starter just a average one. Muth is also a average starting te, which isn't bad as a late 2nd rounder and Moore is what he is but for a 4th round pick I think he is a pretty good player you don't expect a stud at that pick.

 

[revampedpanthers]

Good link. Why is the RT taking a step back there?

No idea. It it definitely wasn't forced by the DL. He chose to do it. My guess is to create more of a angle. Moore completely whiffed but the play failed at least in part because we didn't have anyone to block either lb

 

[revampedpanthers]

Do any of them get a 2nd contract?

Maybe muth, I suppose there is a chance Moore moves to right tackle and gets one there but it's unlikely. Harris could get a 2nd contract infact someone is going to sign him but it won't be a big contract even by RB standards.

 

[HailtoPitt]

Maybe muth, I suppose there is a chance Moore moves to right tackle and gets one there but it's unlikely. Harris could get a 2nd contract infact someone is going to sign him but it won't be a big contract even by RB standards.

Moore will suck at RT, too.

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

Do any of them get a 2nd contract?

green already gone, naj wont even get his 5th year picked up. once they take the training wheels off Broderick, moore will be an after thought and will be on roster next year only because it's his last..

muth? To early to tell but not looking promising. All steeler fans are hoping Washington is the real deal and we can designate Muth to the Zach Gentry role.

 

[jtownknowitall]

The pecking order of what is and what is allowed to be criticized in Pgh is pretty clear. If he’s Muth the former Iowa Hawkeye, he’s getting decimated today like all the others who sucked. But …he’s from somewhere else.

The average Steeler fan has no idea where Muth went to college.

 

[Burgh15]

Harris and Freiermuth were both luxury picks, but I absolutely would've taken Humphrey over Harris in the first round. The Humphrey and Freiermuth combination would've been better than Harris and Humphrey. Najee is one of the worst starting running backs in the NFL and offers no threat of a big play. You can find that type of back in the middle of the draft.

 

[pittdan77]

Harris and Freiermuth were both luxury picks, but I absolutely would've taken Humphrey over Harris in the first round. The Humphrey and Freiermuth combination would've been better than Harris and Humphrey. Najee is one of the worst starting running backs in the NFL and offers no threat of a big play. You can find that type of back in the middle of the draft.

Humphrey was sitting there late in the second. Nobody takes a center in the first round and it was a very, very deep draft at OL so teams were gobbling those guys up. Landon Dickerson and Josh Myers would have both been a great pickup, and they were both drafted in the second round ahead of Humphrey. Honestly, the Steelers probably could have traded back, out of the first round, not picked up more picks for that draft, and still had a better draft. A slew of starting NFL OL-men were drafted in that class. Total disaster.

 

[Burgh15]

Humphrey was sitting there late in the second. Nobody takes a center in the first round and it was a very, very deep draft at OL so teams were gobbling those guys up. Landon Dickerson and Josh Myers would have both been a great pickup, and they were both drafted in the second round ahead of Humphrey. Honestly, the Steelers probably could have traded back, out of the first round, not picked up more picks for that draft, and still had a better draft. A slew of starting NFL OL-men were drafted in that class. Total disaster.

Harris was just such of a waste of a pick in the first round. I would've rather got an elite center prospect that early and a good TE prospect in the second than spend a first on a slow running back.

 

[PittPharm2002]

the "kendrick green is a good pick because he started" hill that souf continues to die on is so perplexing but i love it, it's so easy to mock.

keep up the good fight

You’re not very clever when confronted with my posts versus your lies

 

[Zeldas Open Roof]

You’re not very clever when confronted with my posts versus your lies

you said he was a good pick, he wasnt and you are changing the argument. kendrick green was a horrible horrible pick and this draft is looking to be one of the worst in franchise history and you say it's a good one..

moore is continually graded out as the worst OL in football. Green isnt on roster, muth is looking like a below average TE and Najee is by far, worse than Jaylen Warren.

you are once again wrong, take the loss and move on..

 

[Pitt79]

muth is looking like a below average TE and Najee is by far, worse than Jaylen Warren.

Yinzer Nation has become Boo City because the people that run the football teams masturbate over obsolete 1970s offense, the reason we wasted a #1 pick on Harris is a delusion that he is an incarnation of the Bus and he can take us back in time to when passing was less important and he can't. Muth, I think is OK, he'd be much better if he was on a sane team that had modern pass route schemes and knew how to use a TE- and didn't daydream about 1970s offense where the TE is primarily a 3rd run blocking OT.

 

[NCanton Panther]

green already gone, naj wont even get his 5th year picked up. once they take the training wheels off Broderick, moore will be an after thought and will be on roster next year only because it's his last..

muth? Too early to tell but not looking promising. All steeler fans are hoping Washington is the real deal and we can designate Muth to the Zach Gentry role.

2 or 3 times now in this thread you’re comparing Muth to Zach Gentry. Where is that coming from Zelda, 2 totally different TEs filling 2 totally different TE roles? Sorry, doesn’t make any sense.

 

[The Ole Six-Fiver]

Harris was just such of a waste of a pick in the first round. I would've rather got an elite center prospect that early and a good TE prospect in the second than spend a first on a slow running back.

It’s been obvious for two years (no offense to him personally, the team picked the guy, not vice versa). But he’ll gain 68 yards this week averaging 3.1 and partially jump over top a safety, and all the local media here will swoon that he’s one of the 5 great backs in the league, similar to the insistence that Tomlin is still one of top head coaches. Lots of emperors with no clothes in this town.

It doesn’t matter, I’ll be glad to call either one of them any great platitude that Dulark or one of those other geezers want, if only either one would come close to living up to it.

 

[NCanton Panther]

It’s been obvious for two years (no offense to him personally, the team picked the guy, not vice versa). But he’ll gain 68 yards this week averaging 3.1 and partially jump over top a safety, and all the local media here will swoon that he’s one of the 5 great backs in the league, similar to the insistence that Tomlin is still one of top head coaches. Lots of emperors with no clothes in this town.

It doesn’t matter, I’ll be glad to call either one of them any great platitude that Dulark or one of those other geezers want, if only either one would come close to living up to it.

What local media do you follow, which ones swoon over Harris? Seems to me you hear more talk about Warren getting a larger share of the load, and rightly so.

 

[PittPharm2002]

Kenny may not be the guy long term -
But the play calling is so atrocious it’s hard to tell
Ben sucked in the offense , Mitch sucked in the offense , Mason couldn’t succeed in it .
Canada doesn’t belong in a play calling position

 

[PittPharm2002]

It’s been obvious for two years (no offense to him personally, the team picked the guy, not vice versa). But he’ll gain 68 yards this week averaging 3.1 and partially jump over top a safety, and all the local media here will swoon that he’s one of the 5 great backs in the league, similar to the insistence that Tomlin is still one of top head coaches. Lots of emperors with no clothes in this town.

It doesn’t matter, I’ll be glad to call either one of them any great platitude that Dulark or one of those other geezers want, if only either one would come close to living up to it.

I said all along - Harris won’t be a star but he’s a good back .
He won’t get extended beyond his rookie contract . Same like they did with Conner
So they will run the wheels off of him and toss him away .
Wake up to nfl reality
You max out value on a rookie contract on the cheap -
If ya catch lightning (highsmith ) ya pay the man .
Otherwise you toss them after 4-5 years

 

[Burgh15]

What local media do you follow, which ones swoon over Harris? Seems to me you hear more talk about Warren getting a larger share of the load, and rightly so.

The local media knows Harris is limited but seems a bit afraid to go all in with their criticism.

 

[TheChair]

He’s not playing very well, but the OL is bad, Muth is overrated, we need another play maker at receiver, and Wallace sucks on defense. And Matt Canada is awful.

I cannot access PFF's information and I would not necessarily view them as gospel, but all of the data quoted from them indicates that Pickett has been pressured more than any QB in football so far and has been hit more than anyone. It is hard for a QB under these circumstances.

He has certainly missed on some throws and looked rattled at times, but basically any QB would be under those facts.

I am sure that competition has something to do with these things, but until this stuff gets resolved, it is hard to say much about Pickett.

They put a lot of time/effort into the OL this offseason and it has not worked out so far. At this rate, they are likely better off going to Jones now because Moore has been terrible and it may make sense to look more at Nate Herbig inside as well.

 

[TheSpecialSauce]

I said all along - Harris won’t be a star but he’s a good back .
He won’t get extended beyond his rookie contract . Same like they did with Conner
So they will run the wheels off of him and toss him away .
Wake up to nfl reality
You max out value on a rookie contract on the cheap -
If ya catch lightning (highsmith ) ya pay the man .
Otherwise you toss them after 4-5 years

It looks like the wheels have already come off Harris. Warren is a lot more explosive.