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“Tomlin might be the dumbest smart man alive........
He has gotten away with his nonsense for almost 2 decades now.”

“Steelers 8-9
we tried
tomlin makes another 11 million”

Some really high-minded sports discourse in Pittsburgh these days.
classic.
what do you pay for bro ? to hear
me talk...lol
 
Third-ranked OT. Great value pick at 20.
There was 5 tackles taken before him ( which makes him the 6th tackle taken in the first 20 picks. Steelers under Tomlin has been terrible in offensive line picks.

They should have went with the stud corner from Toledo. He was rated the number one corner and would have been the first player at his position to take. Him and Porter at corners could have let the defense be much more aggressive.
 
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Top remaining offensive lineman on the board
"Top remaining _________________ on the board"..... is NEVER a statement that makes sense in the NFL draft, IMO
.......my reasoning is that there are so many guys drafted that are not good enough to be an asset........it is far removed from " top rated football player on the board" i.e. best athlete available.......
 
Both tackle spots are far more important than center. Dan Moore got abused all season long by pass rushers. No idea why folks on here want them to reach for a center in the 1st.

Centers are hard to justify a first round pick on, which is why it's relatively uncommon for one to go first round. Plenty of quality Cs available every year in rounds 2-5.
 
This has fallen just about as well as possible for the Stillers. They can get whomever they thought was the number one corner, they could get whomever they think is the best center, they can get the best guard on the board, if anyone really wants to move up they could trade back a few spots and still get someone who is presumably one of their top targets.
Late to this thread but this seems to have worked out. NFL network had him as the 11 overall player in the entire draft, so it appears to me that the Steelers filled a need with the best available player on the board. They didn’t reach for a C because it’s a gaping hole in their squad.
 
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So a Rookie is going to start over Dan Moore ? Even Broderick Jones didnt start , and we have no C as well, or WR.
II thought it was win now, talk about smoke screen. art 2 is a loser.
NFL network said this is a plug and play guy from day 1. He’s not Broderick Jones. He was the 11 overall prospect in the draft and that’s because of injuries. He grades out higher.
 
Yeah, I've got no problem with anything that relegates Dan Moore to the bench. Between Weidl and Smith, I think they days of not prioritizing the offensive line are over.

And that's if he even plays tackle, because he might play center or kick Daniels to center and play guard. Seems like most mocks had him going before 20, so I'm okay with it. Also gives us some much needed depth on the OL.
It's the kind of pick that isn't sexy but makes a lot of sense, and it's a foundational pick. You want to improve your O or D, you have to start in the trenches.
 
Yeah, I've got no problem with anything that relegates Dan Moore to the bench. Between Weidl and Smith, I think they days of not prioritizing the offensive line are over.

And that's if he even plays tackle, because he might play center or kick Daniels to center and play guard. Seems like most mocks had him going before 20, so I'm okay with it. Also gives us some much needed depth on the OL.
We’ve ignored the oline for 15 years. It’s nice knowing that they now have their bookend tackles for the next decade.
 
I'm anti trading up just because we need so much, but I think it's a position where we should be able to find a decent option with one of the next three picks. I'd go WR, C, and CB in any order. And then we still need to land a free agent WR or trade for one.
This was a little bit of a luxury pick. Only saying that because replacing Moore and starting two very young tackles in front of an elderly QB or shuffling guys around to play out of position is really risky. They could have traded back and gotten another pick at a position they NEED today and some value. Don’t get me wrong, guy can be really good, just don’t get the aversion to picking a guy that will be a stud center when they keep falling in your lap. There are decent ones left but getting a true stud at that position can really turn a franchise around.
 
If Jackson-Powers the Oregon center is available, they need to grab him and then it’s an A+ draft for me. If not ho in a different direction. The question is, who else needs a center before the Steelers pick?
 
I watched NFL networks coverage and they gushed over the guy. Also heard said that if he was 1.5 inches taller he’d have been a top 5 pick in the draft.

Here is what ESPN says:

Fautanu is a tenacious drive blocker who teams could confidently run behind in short-yardage situations. He has the range to reach second-level defenders and the size to overwhelm defenders in space. His body control and balance in pass protection are excellent. He also mirrors well when his footwork is sound, and he flashes the ability to recover when he gets caught out of position. Fautanu has long arms, bends well and has a strong punch. He started 29 games at left tackle and two games at left guard for Washington. -- Steve Muench

Matt Miller's pro comp: Peter Skoronski

Post-Draft Analysis​

The Steelers elect to draft an offensive lineman for the second consecutive year, after taking Broderick Jones in 2023. Fautanu is a versatile blocker who can play all five positions up front, and while I have him graded as a guard, he could be an option at center in Pittsburgh. There's a huge need there. Regardless of where he plays, Fautanu is a Day 1 starter on an offensive line that needed to be addressed. -- Jordan Reid

Overall value: Bargain. Fautanu is 15th overall in my rankings, and I think he's the second-best offensive tackle in the draft. He might move inside to guard in the NFL, and if that's the case, he's the top guard in this class. Either way, Fautanu comes at great value here. -- Muench
 
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Ok for what it’s worth, I looked at the NFL.com draft capsules of every team ahead of the Steelers in Rd 2, and not one team was said to be in need of a center. I’m not sure that’s true, but it is interesting.
 
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I like it a lot. Makes sense for a few reasons:

• Top remaining offensive lineman on the board
• Fatanau can play OT or OG… what if they plug him in at guard and then move Daniels to center? Makes sense given they said they have “internal options” at center and Daniels previously played there in Chicago
Fautanu is easily a top 10 OL of the last 3 years, maybe top 5 (Neal, Latham, Alt are the only ones who were for sure better prospects). He's got good size, great power, a variety of moves. Very advanced film and nasty attitude. He will be the Steelers best OL in years. Probably since peak DeCastro.

That the Steelers got him at 20 is incredible. Kind of felt like the draft value on JPJ last year.

It seems like the board almost never broke this way for the Steelers for about 5 years. Either classes didn't have what we needed (2013, no pass rush, went Jarvis Jones; 2015 same with Bud Dupree) or we got sniped (2016 with William Jackson 1 pick before Artie Burns).

This stupid run on QBs really helped the Steelers. I mean, a lot. If it's not for dumb teams reaching on them, we probably draft a significantly worse OL prospect.
 
"Top remaining _________________ on the board"..... is NEVER a statement that makes sense in the NFL draft, IMO
.......my reasoning is that there are so many guys drafted that are not good enough to be an asset........it is far removed from " top rated football player on the board" i.e. best athlete available.......
I think you could also say he was the top rated player on the board (was Mel Kiper’s best remaining player, was projected by most to be selected before the Steelers picked, etc.) he just also happened to be the top remaining lineman as well.
 
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Ok for what it’s worth, I looked at the NFL.com draft capsules of every team ahead of the Steelers in Rd 2, and not one team was said to be in need of a center. I’m not sure that’s true, but it is interesting.
PFF has the NYG taking Zach Frazier 47th, the Oregon center still available when we pick 51st but us taking the Michigan WR instead.

C and WR both glaring holes, I couldn’t question filling either one of those at 51.
 
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Fautanu is easily a top 10 OL of the last 3 years, maybe top 5 (Neal, Latham, Alt are the only ones who were for sure better prospects). He's got good size, great power, a variety of moves. Very advanced film and nasty attitude. He will be the Steelers best OL in years. Probably since peak DeCastro.

That the Steelers got him at 20 is incredible. Kind of felt like the draft value on JPJ last year.

It seems like the board almost never broke this way for the Steelers for about 5 years. Either classes didn't have what we needed (2013, no pass rush, went Jarvis Jones; 2015 same with Bud Dupree) or we got sniped (2016 with William Jackson 1 pick before Artie Burns).

This stupid run on QBs really helped the Steelers. I mean, a lot. If it's not for dumb teams reaching on them, we probably draft a significantly worse OL prospect.
I hung out w/ DeCastro, that was a good dude.
Steelers draft guys that are cool and like football.
 
This was a little bit of a luxury pick. Only saying that because replacing Moore and starting two very young tackles in front of an elderly QB or shuffling guys around to play out of position is really risky. They could have traded back and gotten another pick at a position they NEED today and some value. Don’t get me wrong, guy can be really good, just don’t get the aversion to picking a guy that will be a stud center when they keep falling in your lap. There are decent ones left but getting a true stud at that position can really turn a franchise around.

I like it because it shows some awareness that they are, in fact, not Super Bowl contenders right now. Tackle isn't the biggest need, but it was a value pick at an important position and that's how you build winning teams.
 
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I think you could also say he was the top rated player on the board (was Mel Kiper’s best remaining player, was projected by most to be selected before the Steelers picked, etc.) he just also happened to be the top remaining lineman as well.
Yep I believe he was the top overall player according to nfl network too. The Steelers got a top 10 player this year. That doesn’t happen very often.
 
PFF has the NYG taking Zach Frazier 47th, the Oregon center still available when we pick 51st but us taking the Michigan WR instead.

C and WR both glaring holes, I couldn’t question filling either one of those at 51.

Someone said the Chargers and Giants are the other two teams that need a C, but they had the Chargers taking a receiver.

I feel like it's a position that usually gets taken later, but us Steeler fans have a skewed perception of it because 1) We've drafted C high before, and 2) We really need one.
 
Yep I believe he was the top overall player according to nfl network too. The Steelers got a top 10 player this year. That doesn’t happen very often.

Last two drafts have been fantastic so far. It's amazing what you can do when you're not lying to yourself and pretending like a spent QB is going to get you a championship if you just surround him with some immediate weapons. This feels like what we always used to do: Sit back and let other teams be the idiots, while sticking to picks that make sense.
 
Fautanu is easily a top 10 OL of the last 3 years, maybe top 5 (Neal, Latham, Alt are the only ones who were for sure better prospects). He's got good size, great power, a variety of moves. Very advanced film and nasty attitude. He will be the Steelers best OL in years. Probably since peak DeCastro.

That the Steelers got him at 20 is incredible. Kind of felt like the draft value on JPJ last year.

It seems like the board almost never broke this way for the Steelers for about 5 years. Either classes didn't have what we needed (2013, no pass rush, went Jarvis Jones; 2015 same with Bud Dupree) or we got sniped (2016 with William Jackson 1 pick before Artie Burns).

This stupid run on QBs really helped the Steelers. I mean, a lot. If it's not for dumb teams reaching on them, we probably draft a significantly worse OL prospect.
All of that, and I'd you hear his background?
He idolizes Troy Polomalu. He felt it was a huge honor to just visit the Steelers complex prior to the draft. Felt like it was a pilgrimage to a holy place.

I don't think lack of effort is going to be an issue with this guy.
This draft may shape up as a really good one for the black and gold.

Remember, they cleared 7 million $$ of cap space prior to the draft. They seem poised to make a deal or sign someone, probably a WR.

Not for nothing, but Boyd is still out there. His price is probably dropping. Ayuk is also intriguing because the 49'ers drafted a WR #1 too. Something is going to give there.

Bet they get a very good C in 2 or 3, and then grab a DB and trade for a WR.
 
All of that, and I'd you hear his background?
He idolizes Troy Polomalu. He felt it was a huge honor to just visit the Steelers complex prior to the draft. Felt like it was a pilgrimage to a holy place.

I don't think lack of effort is going to be an issue with this guy.
This draft may shape up as a really good one for the black and gold.

Remember, they cleared 7 million $$ of cap space prior to the draft. They seem poised to make a deal or sign someone, probably a WR.

Not for nothing, but Boyd is still out there. His price is probably dropping. Ayuk is also intriguing because the 49'ers drafted a WR #1 too. Something is going to give there.

Bet they get a very good C in 2 or 3, and then grab a DB and trade for a WR.
At this point Boyd doesn't excite me. They need a #2, or #1 if you think Pickens is only a 2. I guess Boyd would provide quality depth, but they need more than that.
 
At this point Boyd doesn't excite me. They need a #2, or #1 if you think Pickens is only a 2. I guess Boyd would provide quality depth, but they need more than that.

Boyd isn't exciting if he's the best receiver we obtain from now until the season, but if it's him and a 2nd round pick (or maybe even third) then I might like that better than giving up a ton of capital for Aiyuk.
 
Yep I believe he was the top overall player according to nfl network too. The Steelers got a top 10 player this year. That doesn’t happen very often.
And what’s funny is that I think the only reason he didn’t go higher, in addition to the run on QBs, was that teams were scared off by his height (“only” 6’4” for an OT). However, his arm length is actually longer (34.5in) than 6’8” Joe Alt (34.25in) and 6’6” Taliese Fuaga (33.125in). No issues there.
 
I know we're beating a dead horse with Kenny but for a guy who got basically 100% of the blame from media and fans for the Steelers offense being bad in 2022-2023, I find it noteworthy that the Steelers have quietly moved on from 4 other offensive starters, 3 of them OL (Chuks, Cole, and Moore) and 3 with years remaining on their contracts (Cole, Moore, and Diontae).
 
I know we're beating a dead horse with Kenny but for a guy who got basically 100% of the blame from media and fans for the Steelers offense being bad in 2022-2023, I find it noteworthy that the Steelers have quietly moved on from 4 other offensive starters, 3 of them OL (Chuks, Cole, and Moore) and 3 with years remaining on their contracts (Cole, Moore, and Diontae).
The biggest "move on" was CANADA.
The Steelers gave KP a shot, and gave him the opportunity to start most of 2 years.
His stats and pocket presence were below the line, so they moved on from him.
If he's some kind of diamond in the rough, he'll prove it.
In the meantime, he's a multi millionaire and set for life. That a nice salve to sooth any sting he feels.
 
I know we're beating a dead horse with Kenny but for a guy who got basically 100% of the blame from media and fans for the Steelers offense being bad in 2022-2023, I find it noteworthy that the Steelers have quietly moved on from 4 other offensive starters, 3 of them OL (Chuks, Cole, and Moore) and 3 with years remaining on their contracts (Cole, Moore, and Diontae).
This is a bingo…and for me I felt like an upgrade at center would have instantly made Kenny better. So if he were still here, that’s was my top hope for the draft. Improving the center position would have made their QB better so a first round pick on a center would be warranted in my eyes. He had happy feet and bailed out of pockets…but his internal clock was all screwed up because of the internal pass rush due to bad pass protection and bad snaps that messed up the timing of the offense.

I don’t know where Mason cole is but it will be interesting to see what the rest of his career will be.
 
The biggest "move on" was CANADA.
The Steelers gave KP a shot, and gave him the opportunity to start most of 2 years.
His stats and pocket presence were below the line, so they moved on from him.
If he's some kind of diamond in the rough, he'll prove it.
In the meantime, he's a multi millionaire and set for life. That a nice salve to sooth any sting he feels.
You can stop posting about his money. Has nothing to do with anything. You're a broken record.

Yeah, the Steelers gave KP a shot with the worst OC in modern NFL history and an OL of which 60% was in need of replacement and a #1 WR who they let go for peanuts.

Again, not saying he played well enough to keep his job. I just think it's silly to blame him 100% and not accept that the team has now admitted through their actions that they put a ton of crap around him in key positions and expected him to perform despite that. We are not talking about a TE here. It was totally unrealistic that a rookie or 2nd year QB would succeed with an OC, 3/5 OL - including both OTs and the C - , and WR1 that all needed replacement.
 
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This was a little bit of a luxury pick. Only saying that because replacing Moore and starting two very young tackles in front of an elderly QB or shuffling guys around to play out of position is really risky.


That certainly isn't any more risky than starting Dan Moore again and getting your elderly QB killed. Or worse.
 
You can stop posting about his money. Has nothing to do with anything. You're a broken record.

Yeah, the Steelers gave KP a shot with the worst OC in modern NFL history and an OL of which 60% was in need of replacement and a #1 WR who they let go for peanuts.

Again, not saying he played well enough to keep his job. I just think it's silly to blame him 100% and not accept that the team has now admitted through their actions that they put a ton of crap around him in key positions and expected him to perform despite that. We are not talking about a TE here. It was totally unrealistic that a rookie or 2nd year QB would succeed with an OC, 3/5 OL - including both OTs and the C - , and WR1 that all needed replacement.
Well said.
 
I watched NFL networks coverage and they gushed over the guy. Also heard said that if he was 1.5 inches taller he’d have been a top 5 pick in the draft.

Here is what ESPN says:

Fautanu is a tenacious drive blocker who teams could confidently run behind in short-yardage situations. He has the range to reach second-level defenders and the size to overwhelm defenders in space. His body control and balance in pass protection are excellent. He also mirrors well when his footwork is sound, and he flashes the ability to recover when he gets caught out of position. Fautanu has long arms, bends well and has a strong punch. He started 29 games at left tackle and two games at left guard for Washington. -- Steve Muench

Matt Miller's pro comp: Peter Skoronski

Post-Draft Analysis​

The Steelers elect to draft an offensive lineman for the second consecutive year, after taking Broderick Jones in 2023. Fautanu is a versatile blocker who can play all five positions up front, and while I have him graded as a guard, he could be an option at center in Pittsburgh. There's a huge need there. Regardless of where he plays, Fautanu is a Day 1 starter on an offensive line that needed to be addressed. -- Jordan Reid

Overall value: Bargain. Fautanu is 15th overall in my rankings, and I think he's the second-best offensive tackle in the draft. He might move inside to guard in the NFL, and if that's the case, he's the top guard in this class. Either way, Fautanu comes at great value here. -- Muench


The Athletic had him as their 9th rated player overall. They gave the pick an A. The take away line from their write up is "this is a great pick and an outstanding value."
 
The Athletic also has a 2nd and 3rd round mock draft up today. They have the Stillers picking Jackson Powers-Johnson in the 2nd, and then Jermaine Burton (wr, Alabama) and Jarvis Brownlee (cb, Louisville) in the 3rd.

If it falls that way it would be just about as good as possible.
 
The Athletic also has a 2nd and 3rd round mock draft up today. They have the Stillers picking Jackson Powers-Johnson in the 2nd, and then Jermaine Burton (wr, Alabama) and Jarvis Brownlee (cb, Louisville) in the 3rd.

If it falls that way it would be just about as good as possible.

I'm a little suspicious that's just a link by the agent for the letter J.


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You can stop posting about his money. Has nothing to do with anything. You're a broken record.

Yeah, the Steelers gave KP a shot with the worst OC in modern NFL history and an OL of which 60% was in need of replacement and a #1 WR who they let go for peanuts.

Again, not saying he played well enough to keep his job. I just think it's silly to blame him 100% and not accept that the team has now admitted through their actions that they put a ton of crap around him in key positions and expected him to perform despite that. We are not talking about a TE here. It was totally unrealistic that a rookie or 2nd year QB would succeed with an OC, 3/5 OL - including both OTs and the C - , and WR1 that all needed replacement.
Yep...put a bunch of crap around him and expected him to succeed. The Steelers totally butchered the entire situation...BUTCHERED!!
 
The biggest "move on" was CANADA.
The Steelers gave KP a shot, and gave him the opportunity to start most of 2 years.
His stats and pocket presence were below the line, so they moved on from him.
If he's some kind of diamond in the rough, he'll prove it.
In the meantime, he's a multi millionaire and set for life. That a nice salve to sooth any sting he feels.

Imagine if the Steelers gave Bradshaw the same "Shot" they gave Pickett
 
I like it because it shows some awareness that they are, in fact, not Super Bowl contenders right now. Tackle isn't the biggest need, but it was a value pick at an important position and that's how you build winning teams.
The rest of the offseason they’ve been saying they need to win now and have behaved that way. Guess it depends on which story you believe. It’s a good pick to build on. But I don’t think he’ll be a tackle. Steelers might try to use him there but I think he’ll be more successful as a guard.
 
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