I agree! We should change the tax rates back to what they were in the 50’s and 60’s.
OT: Is NIL demeaning to women???
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Well, I think when most people think about NIL, they think that the best athletes would be able to use their athletic accomplishments to profit. But for women, aside from a few elite basketball players who will be WNBA stars, the only market for female college athletes are for the ones who post thong pictures on instagram.
I have had the NIL talk with my daughters. My youngest will be a D1 athlete next fall. I asked them about these female athletes making a ton of money on social media. They all understood the main fact that these girls are selling their bodies by flashing skin. They get it, and would never stoop to that level. I mentioned the UCONN girl who doesn’t sell skin, she sells talent on the court. They agreed, but understood it is too easy to sell skin than being the best at the sport and selling that talent.
Next phase is seeing how her future school assists with NIL and helping her market herself the right way if she wants to do that. My kids aren’t blasting themselves on social media, but know everything about how it works to get clicks. It’s a matter of doing it tastefully and respectfully. Thankfully, they get it and do not want to show skin for cash.
Next phase is seeing how her future school assists with NIL and helping her market herself the right way if she wants to do that. My kids aren’t blasting themselves on social media, but know everything about how it works to get clicks. It’s a matter of doing it tastefully and respectfully. Thankfully, they get it and do not want to show skin for cash.
Most casual sports fans can name at least a few college football players, or men's basketball players, can you name any current women NCAA athletes? I know I can't.
i can name two but both are pitt women's volley ball players and i recently jumped on that bandwagon. but your point is valid. i mean, it's hard to name many at all, over the history of womens collegiate sports.
Off the top of my head:
Swin cash, Reggie Miller's sister, the hot chick that went to Tennessee (Parker is her last name), Our very own Suzy McConnell. the griner one that just got out of prison although i only heard of her cause she was in russian prison in the first place. I am sure there are a few more college hoops players i can name if i really tried.
Of course that doesnt include professional tennis, golf players, womens USA soccer teams, etc. im just talking about collegiate athletes..
I mean. Pitt has a women’s volleyball team in the final four. It’s not remarkably hard to spend 12 seconds following the sport or reviewing the roster.
the 7' footer that played at Baylor. does it count if i remember them but have no clue what their name is?
I watched some of their game last week but can't remember any names today. I did say CASUAL sports fans, unless you a PITT FANATIC, or a VOLLEYBALL FANATIC, you likely won't know any women's college volleyball players, and when Pitt wasn't good at volleyball, half the fans they have now that they are a Final 4 team probably didn't know there was even a team.
Theoretically, they’re getting paid for their Name, Image and Likeness, not their athletic endeavors. Yeah, you would think their athletic endeavors make them more popular and recognizable, so these NIL groups would then have a stronger incentive to sign them up to help market their product or service. But you no darn well that’s not all there is to it. You’ve posted countless times that these NIL $ amounts have no correlation to whatever marketing/promotional benefit they provide to the NIL group.
Men’s Football and Basketball players, most aren’t getting paid for a perceived marketing/promotional benefit gained by the NIL group, they’re getting paid because there are deep pocket boosters wanting to see their team do good.
Now this attractive female gymnast, she’s getting paid more because of the marketing/promotional benefit she provides to the NIL group, in other words, more in line with what NIL is supposedly paying for.
What does being easy or only taking 12 seconds to follow the sport or review the roster have anything to do with this discussion? If very very few sports fans have any interest in doing that, what is the NIL value of anyone on those rosters? Aside from other obvious reasons such as this female gymnast.
You are correct in that she is getting paid for her NIL. However, your athletic endeavors are supposed to create value to be able sell your NIL. With these girls, their athletic accomplishments are all but meaningless. They are being paid to take their clothes off and take pictures
I’m really confused with what you’re debating or even what side of the debate you’re on. Like I said, you’ve posted many times in the past that NIL $ amounts veer significantly from what their actual promotional value is to any company. And there is definitely no written requirements in any NIL laws stating that these athletes name recognition and familiarity has to come from their athletic endeavors.
My daughter is 14 and we had some similar conversations. Not that she's going to be a D1 athlete but because I was curious who she follows that are athletes. There are a few she showed me. Each had an NIL deal and none of them "show skin" as primary part of the sale but it's definitely there. Now they are pretty and all have very strong social media following which I think is a big deal. They were selling anything from makeup to clothing to athletic apparel. I really think it comes down to the social media following.
I think Alexa Hendricks is a good example of how this works. For those who don't know, she's a defensive specialist that plays for Louisville volleyball. She has a very tame TikTok page where she promotes things and does the "day in the life" videos. She has a "just for fun" Instagram page where she doesn't do any selling but it's Instagram so, you know what you find there. I don't see what she's doing as demeaning at all and her target audience, like my daughter, see her as a positive influence. It is very clever how the selling is done, to be honest. But, my kid also follows Kenny Pickett because he's hot. LOL
you guys need to follow Paige Spiranac on twitter. she's a golfer and shows no skin at all, just gives great tips on golf and has a huge following. i cant even tell you if she's even pretty or not.
She’s also a great gymnast fyi
And since her teammates are on her social media frequently -
Doubt that matters to them
The “right” way is getting paid full value for their Name , Image, and Likeness instead of letting the school cash in on it
They aren’t getting paid per click .
But yes having a marketable social media following increases their value .
Her dad played football for Pitt, so any and all pictures would be appropriate for this forum.
Example A)
I know this is before NIL, but Jenn Sterger at FSU did pretty well marketing herself.
What's that? She wasn't a scholarship athlete? Who cares?That’s well written. The ladies are actually in line with what NIL is for. Nobody cares if they actually play their sport well, at all, or not frankly.
I'm not really debating anything. I'm saying the Stanford coach's premise isnt really wrong in that the female athletes are making money because of scantily clad photos and NOT their athletic ability. That's really not debatable. Should they be allowed to do this? Absolutely. Is this "true NIL?" Absolutely. But it has little to nothing to do with their athletic talents. They are instagram models, strippers, whatever who just happen to play a sport. Just the same, if there was a very talented singer, comedian, actor, etc who happened to play a D1 sport, their NIL value would be based on their other talent.
What is the solution?
Should there be a Title IX for NIL? How could that work for the private sector, forced to pay all the female athletes the same as they pay the male athletes? Ugh. Actually don’t tell me, I don’t want to know.
I don’t know what the solution is or who wants one.
My guess is the universities were in favor of these NILS and likely had a good bit to do with their creation. They didn’t want to have to treat these ‘students’ as employees so the NIL was a better option to address the growing pressure to increase the compensation to these athletes above the mere free tuition, room n board.
It shouldn’t have been hard to predict how this was all going to work out but I guess it was.
Sorry clicks is wrong word. They get paid by the posts. The UConn girl gets like 50,000 a post
She is one of the few women whose NIL value is due to her athletic accomplishments. She is a future WNBA star, USA Basketball gold medalist, etc. She is marketable because of this.
I’d like to see the details of that
Is it Gatorade or StockX paying per post?
Are there limits ?
If she posts 30 times a day - she’s set for life , right ?
Couldn't these female athletes have done Instagram stripping for money before NIL was legal? Would it be illegal if a couple years ago a girl had a page where she strips and mentions that she plays women's soccer at some random University?
I think you’re confused what instagram is .
And no it wasn’t “legal” from a ncaa perspective for athletes to be paid
I know what it is. Just an example. What is the place where you subscribe to look at girls? Anyways, they wouldn't be getting paid for being athletes, the pay would be for stripping online.
They would have been ineligible because the money they made on IG would have been viewed as profiting off their name, image, or likeness. Now, if they were an actual stripper working at a strip club, I think they would have remained eligible since that's a "job."
Even if it was totally unrelated to the sport? Like they couldn't do regular modeling on the side?
Yes, my point. Hard to sell talent with social media, easy to sell skin and ass.
No idea what her contract is, but she was featured in a Gatorade commercial on tv.
not an expert but i think a female (or male) athlete who is making money on social media while associating their Brand/identity as an athlete within a university is going down a slippery slope and risking not only their eligibility but their status as a student.. Prior to NIL days of course.
i mean this is no different than girls getting in trouble wearing a nebraska jersey and posing for "Girls in the big 12" in penthouse. now add on that they are on a team and well in the old days (two years ago), they'd have been kicked off team and off campus in about 10 hours.
If in 2018, the girl had a legit job as a model, that would be ok because the company would be paying the athlete for her service (ie modeling bikinis on bikinis.com or whatever). However, if she was making money from IG or TikTok for posting pictures and videos of herself, she would be ineligible because the NCAA viewed that as selling her name, image, or likeness. Its not a job. She isnt providing any service other than her NIL
I think there are still some standards these kids need to pay attention to when using the school's branding. Some schools also have a personal conduct and social media policy that have to be followed. Especially for athletes. That's probably where the line gets drawn.
I think the ultimate point is that "demeaning" is a poor choice of words for the coach. It's also kind of self-serving. I get her overarching point but any situation where a person chooses to engage in an activity is very far from being demeaning to them. Perhaps it doesn't serve the sport well, which is what I think she meant to say, but neither do a host of other things that happen in and around college sports programs.
She didn't say demeaning. She said "guess sometimes we have this swinging pendulum, where we maybe take two steps forward, and then we take a step back." She seems to mean that while NIL is a good thing, female athletes selling skin on social media is a step back. From the point of view of many, she isnt wrong. The girls have every right to do that but many people would think we haven't grown as a society if these girls have to post near-nude photos to make as much money as the QB or WR.
