Running play action might make the offense better though. Russ and Arthur Smith do that well. I just want to see it.
OT: Justin Fields
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I’m not sure why you can’t run PA with fields
I would think with Fields athletic ability you’d use him more like the ravens use Jackson. Now I’m not saying fields is as good as Jackson but they could use RPOs more to take advantage of his ability to run.
Because fields fumbles snaps and additionally whatever it is with his game it’s just never been a strength. It is with Russ. At least it used to be. Lol. At some point we will find out.
He has been slightly better than Kenny throwing, but night and day as a runner/pocket presence.
He did have the one bad pick that was overturned (the roughing was the right call, but we’d be bitching if it was on us). But clean game otherwise, and had some good runs in high stakes situations.
He did have the one bad pick that was overturned (the roughing was the right call, but we’d be bitching if it was on us). But clean game otherwise, and had some good runs in high stakes situations.
He sucks. I’d put good money on Kenny replicating or bettering those passing stats under smith
What kind of dolt compares a 2nd year QB with and OC who can't get hired as an OC to a veteran QB with an OC who has been a proven success?
Anyway, with an average offense the Steelers are Super Bowl contenders. Problem is that their offense is bad. QB can make things happen but isn't a threat putting together TD drives. The #1 WR acts like a #1 diva but doesn't play like it. The OL isn't good at pass protecting. Moore gave up a sack yesterday where it looked like he was moving in slow motion. Wilson is actually the better QB if he can get it going.
Anyway, with an average offense the Steelers are Super Bowl contenders. Problem is that their offense is bad. QB can make things happen but isn't a threat putting together TD drives. The #1 WR acts like a #1 diva but doesn't play like it. The OL isn't good at pass protecting. Moore gave up a sack yesterday where it looked like he was moving in slow motion. Wilson is actually the better QB if he can get it going.
Given what the Steelers QB room looked like last season, signing Wilson for $1 Million was a no brainer. He's a borderline HOF caliber player over the course of his career, even though his best days are behind him.
I think that's a fair assessment. It's still going to be wild when they sign him to a contract in the off season.
Steelers were helped by the Raiders being bad, dumb, and getting some helpful calls. Otherwise, that had potential to be a disaster yesterday.
It’s also what’s necessary with the talent level on offense
Weird, Justin Fields has been awful and the stillers are keeping that "no-brainer" signing on the bench. 🤔
One of the film guys that I follow - either Tim Jenkins or Chase Daniel - said that Fields' dropback is backwards. His former OC was Aaron Rodgers' QB coach and that guy got Fields to switch feet on his dropback. Now, Rodgers did that after many years to change the timing on some of his throws/routes. Fields did it to "speed up" his dropback but it actually didn't help because it just messed up the timing with his WR. That's one of the reasons why he's inaccurate. The ball is just coming out at the wrong time and it leads to throws being a hair too far or too short.
He's also mechanically terrible. Especially on the short stuff.
Thanks for that. I don’t have a scouts eye. Most of us don’t. I just know that something looks off and his delivery is a shade off. He has that extra pat of the ball that seems to throw things off a bit and allow defenders a split second of recovery.
Da Bears won 5 games with Fields last year .
This year they are 4-2 with a rookie QB.
Is that all on Fields? Nah- but it’s showing how a better QB helps win games
I've heard that before but I don't know much about QB's. What I can tell you is that footwork can be the difference in success in any sport.
I'll just say that it's not a good thing to be revamping a QB's footwork after he's already started 40 NFL games.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Fields is an incredible talent. Explosive arm, huge, fast, very tough. But he's very bad in the dropback passing game, especially outside of the first 15 scripted plays. I doubt he is ever even an average NFL passer.
He won’t be the first incredibly “talented” qb to not live up to the billing
Most of the HOF QBs didn’t have near the physical skill fields has. What makes them great are the intangibles (reading defenses, pocket presence, field vision, and being able to rapidly go through progressions).
Fields is not a complete bust like some of the talented guys before him but it’s doubtful he ever comes close to living up to the “potential”. You also need an OC to maximize the talents He does have (using Rpo more). And he needs a lot more talent around him than he does now
Fields can’t can’t snaps under center consistently without fumbling .
Pitt does the same with Eli
Because reading a defense is his biggest weakness , taking sacks by hanging onto the ball too long is his other one .
Athletic talent, yes .
QB skill talent ? Laughable
Throwing the ball far isn’t enough - otherwise Jamarcus Russell would have been a pro-bowler
The reality is, that field should have almost as many interceptions as he has touchdowns. He has been extremely fortunate with defenders, dropping easy interceptions or in yesterday’s game a horrific penalty to wipe one out.
You should have that footwork down in HS and then perfected in college. You can have the biggest arm, the best decision making, and impeccable leadership, if your footwork sucks, it just makes you slow and ineffective.
I honestly cant imagine anyone watching any Steeler game this year and thinking Fields is an NFL starting qb.
It is painful to watch
Last years offense was more painful and the stats bear that out. And I thought Kenny was an NFL QB. Maybe you’re one of the guys who expects fantasy numbers and 300 yard passing games. That doesn’t happen with a majority of throwers in this QB starved league. And it certainly doesn’t happen with the weapons and players this team has on offense.
And starting QB level or not, there are bigger problems. And that’s the point.
Because it’s what matters when judging a QB?
Well the Steelers rank 19th in redzone TD scoring with 50% .
For context the 1 ranked is 75% (Houston and Baltimore ) and the worst is 35.7% (NE)
Steelers also had 48.9% last year despite using 3 different QBs including Mitc
So- Field seems to be no better .
And for a frame of reference, what was it last year when you and I were defending Kenny?Fields has 10 TDs and 1 int to his name this year and a 93 QBR. Can’t imagine there are 32 QBs in this league that would do that, especially in this offense.
Fields is flawed but I guess you’d rather have Kenny back because I’m not sure what else you expect for this franchise.
And if George doesn’t drop two TDs in the past 3 weeks, the stats would be that much better in the red zone.
Fields is flawed but I guess you’d rather have Kenny back because I’m not sure what else you expect for this franchise.
And if George doesn’t drop two TDs in the past 3 weeks, the stats would be that much better in the red zone.
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Yeah man, fair point. I’ll concede that not just yesterday, but a few times this year Fields was bailed out by things that fortunately for him were out of his control. Those things have a way of evening out so we will see how it goes…
so im kind of in the middle. I"ve been a pretty big Fields supporter on here, very pleasantly surprised and we are 4-2.. He hasnt been turning ball over at all, makes great plays with his feet, some OK throws, alot of misses but we are winning, mostly..
WITH THAT SAID, man im contradicting myself but i think it might be time to see what wilson brings to the table. im not screaming for it, and i think it COULD Be a bad look to bench your starting qb who is 4-2 but again, if it happens, i wouldnt be upset..
i look at it like this, we are 4-2, tied with first in the AFC North and i seriously dont even know if the steelers are a good football team. that says more about the nfl than the steelers I know..
WITH THAT SAID, man im contradicting myself but i think it might be time to see what wilson brings to the table. im not screaming for it, and i think it COULD Be a bad look to bench your starting qb who is 4-2 but again, if it happens, i wouldnt be upset..
i look at it like this, we are 4-2, tied with first in the AFC North and i seriously dont even know if the steelers are a good football team. that says more about the nfl than the steelers I know..
No real reason to be a big fields supporter
He won’t be on the roster next year , unless he takes a DEEP discount as a free agent to stay .
Is fields actually winning games , though ?
It’s not like he’s making comebacks . By and large he’s gotten into FG range enough times for Steelers to win close games with defense .
The 2 times we lost was because defense surrendered over 20 points and fields and the offense was incapable of scoring enough to win the game .
I mean - Kenny had 7 comeback wins in 2 year and people couldn’t wait to get rid of him - despite him going 7-3 as a starter last year before injury .
neither will wilson, got to root for someone. i dont let future contracts dictate who i like. Naj and Warren wont be on next year's roster either, should i not root for a steeler run game?
I'll worry about next year's roster, next year..
holy christ, are there really pitt fans still crying about Kenny freakin Pickett lol. Do you guys still really exist?
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