i think he has, they arent going to make that up.
they may have slow played his return for sure but there were vids of him on social media and dude was hobbling up until a week ago. cant for a second believe this was all made up smoke screen.
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they may have slow played his return for sure but there were vids of him on social media and dude was hobbling up until a week ago. cant for a second believe this was all made up smoke screen.
Oh, no doubt he was suffering from menstrual cramps, oh sorry "calf" cramps. Lol.
It sounds like Smith is already over dealing with the snowflake.
You mean actually understanding context ?
There are still some pitt fans who understand how stats work , particularly in the redzone -
Also what part of the team is primarily responsible for wins -
Hint - if it wasn’t the QB last year , it’s also not the QB this year .
In that actually so difficult for you to comprehend ?
I'm not by any means saying the Steelers have been lighting up the Red Zone, but maybe I'm missing what point you are trying to make.
Pittsburgh has a 50% Redzone TD success rate this season, bad enough for a 19th place tie. Last year after week 6, that percentage was dead last in the league at 28.57%. Through the game prior to Pickett's injury the Steelers were in 28th place with a 43.48% Red Zone TD Success Rate.
As noted at end of season they were pretty close to 50%.
Which mean fields isn’t a redzone td improvement
Nor is he “winning “ games yet
It’s crazy. As you know I defended KP only because I felt like I do with Fields that he’s the least of the offenses problems. I’m not sure you can truly judge how good or bad they are given the state of the rest of the offense Perhaps with fields his track record at Chicago provides more of a baseline.
But with respect to Pickettt he’s gone and irrelevant. I get debating the Qb issues with the Steelers in general but bringing up picket at this point is a bit bizarre. It’s not like he’s some sort of great guy who was totally screwed. Hell Rudy is a far more likable guy and more of a standup guy.
Sigh, yeah OK. The Steelers have been lying I guess, but you have inside info......Yep
Wilson hasn't been anything but a consummate professional. The drama queens are certain fans who impose their fantasy on reality.
The Steelers are 4-2 with him and in the NFL style points are irrelevant. Steeler fans are generally assholes.
Yeah those Calf injuries pushing a blocking sled are so prevalent and take a long time to heal. I have some swamp land in Florida. You interested ?
If by that you mean missing most of training camp, practices, and games because he had a sore calf , sure
we need to stop with the "Steeler way" talk. never has a coach or owner or GM ever mentioned it. every fan base believes there is a " my team way" and it's nonsense.. i lived in dc and i heard about the redskins way and the ravens way and the capitols way, again, every team believes they have a certain way.
Look no further than the psu way, whatever paterno called it. it's all nonsense, every team believes they want to win with hard work and a strong moral foundation and it is just words..
there is no "Steeler way" just like there is no other way with every other team in the nfl, college, or any other professional sport.
Look no further than the psu way, whatever paterno called it. it's all nonsense, every team believes they want to win with hard work and a strong moral foundation and it is just words..
there is no "Steeler way" just like there is no other way with every other team in the nfl, college, or any other professional sport.
can we just say he's a P***y and move on?
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This is the most insane post I have ever read on this board. First of all, Kenny Pickett was 7-5 as a starter last season and 14-11 overall. The 7-3 thing was invented by rationalizing Pitt fans who figured out his record was slightly better in games he started and finished.
But are we really suggesting that playing from ahead or winning games comfortably is someone less impressive than sucking for 3.5 quarters and scoring at the end? For one, Fields did come back against the Colts/Cowboys; the defense just blew it.
And Kenny Pickett seldom won games. Was needing defensive touchdowns against the Browns Pickett winning a game? Was the Ravens dropping 10 passes and Pickett throwing one good pass all day him winning a game? The defense won games, not Pickett. If the opponent had more than 20 points, the game was usually already on ice. He lost to freaking DTR, for crying our loud. He was not good. He went on a streak of coming out on top of some rock fights against a string of awful starting QBs in 2022. And last year, you could count the impressive QUARTERS - not games - he played on one hand. He was constantly being bailed out by the defense.
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Eh, he led a TD drive to give the Steelers a 4th-quarter lead before the defense gave up a 15 play, 70-yard drive to win the game.
I’m the least tribal guy on this board. I don’t care where a player played his college ball. The fact is, Kenny’s an asshole as far as I’m concerned. But his record is absolutely better than what you said it is. If you’re going to count games he didn’t finish as loses, then you might as well be consistent and take the 4th quarter out of every game he played and don’t count the 4th quarter wins. The fact is the dude won games when his back was against the wall and his bosses mic was turned off. Wins weren’t sexy but they seemed to always happen late. He won at a pretty impressive clip. The scoreboard reflected it. Hate all you want but I’ll support Kenny and I’ll support Justin.
And objectively this offense is better with Fields. Granted the competition has been lighter and the first halves are still bad…but Fields is producing better numbers than Kenny.
Lol. So the Houston game he left down 3 touchdowns doesn't count. Or the Jaguars game he left (also while losing) that he was so bad in his receivers were jumping up and down on the field. But let's count the win over Tampa Bay, even though he left injured and Mitch came in and won it. As Ric Flair says, to be the man you've got to beat the man, and that was the day Kenny finally unseated Brady. Whooooo!
And lighter competition? Who the hell did Pickett ever beat, other than the game the Ravens held themselves to 10?
Also, I have no reason to aimlessly hate on Pickett. I wanted him to succeed more than any player we ever drafted. But he wasn't good. And Fields - through a series of high highs and low lows that balance out to being average - isn't either. A league starving for QB talent didn't want either of these guys as starters when both were very available. What else is there to say? I assure you that 30 Lairmen don't know something that people who gets paid millions of dollars to analyze this stuff do not.
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Two weeks ago the ravens destroyed the cowboys in Dallas. Last week Dallas owned the Steelers in Pittsburgh. Yesterday Detroit crushed the cowboys in Dallas. The real story is that the Steelers offense is in the bottom half of the league regardless of who the QB is. They might make the playoffs but they will not beat a good team. The head coach wants it his way and feels like that’s the style to play but it’s just not going to be successful in the playoffs.
Also... Diontae Johnson, while certainly not on the shortlist for the NFL's best receiver, has three games this season of at least six receptions, at least 78 yards, and a touchdown. He is on pace for 82 catches for 963 yards, but his first two games with Young were awful so he very well may eclipse that.
So it's silly to act like getting rid of him was somehow a net positive for Fields.
So it's silly to act like getting rid of him was somehow a net positive for Fields.
Steelers fans just love to hate on people. I don't get all the hatred and vitriol for Russel Wilson. He didn't do anything other than sign a minimum veteran contract contact with the Steelers. Fields is only 25 so you never know what he could become despite his current shortcomings.
Ah, but you underestimate the HC's deep affection for and admiration of Justin.
So exactly what’s happened so far this season .
Steelers lost two games
Because the opponent scored 20 and 27.
Hell in the Dallas game defense forced 3 turnovers and ST blocked a FG.
Not exactly hard to overcome , right ?
You proved my point .
First, I don't think Fields is very good overall. So stop comparing one bum to another in order to try and advance an agenda. If it was up to me, the Steelers quarterback of the future would be neither of them.
Second, we are scoring more ppg this season and Fields grades out better. Not a good look for the other bum.
Third, we have had three OL on IR, and that number might soon be growing. We also have the worst receiving corps in the NFL. Dionate Johnson is probably going to have a 1,000-yard season (not spectacular, but sothen.
Fourth, Ben did better under Canada. And so did Mason Rudolph. So spare me the excuses. Pickett was bad, and as I said, there are quite literally 30 people left in the universe who think otherwise - all on this board. Maybe he fools some of you because he only makes ridiculously safe passes and takes minimal shots downfield. But I have a feeling the college he attended is the real reason you don't want to see it.
Again, this league is absolutely starved for QB talent. They'll take dudes who were bagging groceries last week, dudes who were playing in the XFL last month, and 40-year-old dudes with silver hair names Joe. Yet, no one wanted him as a starter.
Here are Tim Tebow's 4th quarter comebacks in 2011. Six of them. What a winner that guy must have been.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/comeback.cgi?player=TeboTi00
Also, mason did not do better under Canada
Bengals, Seattle, Ravens (he didn’t play well that game, but the weather was bad)... he sucks, but he did slightly better and got us in the playoffs. Hence, why they went with him. I personally think Pickett is the better of the two, but the results were tough to deny.
And I know Pickett also had a decent game against that same Bengals team. Neither are who I want to be the starting QB here.
I’ll let you figure out who was OC at that point.
Yeah he is and was and always will be. If you trash him like that you can’t call yourself a real Pitt fan.
Right, for both guys.
And what has Arthur Smith done without the most freakish RB in the last 20 years and one of the better receivers in football? Doesn't seem like much.
This is true.
He’s also posting a lot of straw man arguments. He’s like Cousin Eddy’s dog, Snotts. Mostly not worth responding. It’s best to just let him finish.
The straw man was acting like I was defending Fields by disparaging Pickett.
But I think I'm done. When Fk, JoeyDavid, Kenny4Heisman, PittPharm, SMF, and maybe like a handful of other people (I think 30 was too high) insist that Kenny was a good NFL quarterback - or would have been with a different franchise, blah blah - I'm just going to smile and let it roll off my shoulders from now on. I should be more receptive to the fact that it's a sensitive subject for guys who root for the college he attended.
Like he took offense to saying Pickett didn’t lose the Houston game…which is fair, they weren’t winning that game.
But then to turn around and say mason did better under Canada last year when he didn’t even play under Canada last year is insane. Makes him lose any credibility
Your opinion doesn’t make it so. In your eyes you’re a better Pitt fan for remaining obsessed with him and that’s fine for you. But others don’t see it that way. And there is no definitive definition on what is a real fan. He’s moved on from Pitt, doesn’t wear the laundry, and most of us aren’t related to him so…
You’re making crap up. I’m not even insisting he is good. I’m saying that he is being unfairly scapegoated and that especially from a passing perspective fields is no better.
Oh that's fair; forgot Canada got the boot. It was still the framework of his offense, however. They didn't implement a new system. And plays were often there to be had with Pickett; he just didn't make them until the end.
Okay, Fields is no better as a passer. Who says I disagree with that? I'm no Fields defender. I see the potential, but it's unlikely to ever be realized. I'd take him over Pickett behind this line, but maybe I would take Pickett behind a better line. I don't think either is great.
