Again strawman. Please share where I said he was a good NFL quarterback. I’ve consistently said that he is an NFL quarterback and to what degree can’t be definitively known until we see him outside of Canada for only one game.
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Well, we did. And people insisted he played great, but we still only had 16 points against a bad defense. And then Mason dropped 34 on that same defense four weeks later.
Because it's a concession you guys keep tossing in sporadically to try and breathe some credibility into your defense of him. When you're there to defend him at every turn, there is a common law marriage element to you saying he's a good NFL QB whether you outright declare it or not. You guys dissect every single nuance as to what might have made him a more successful QB and then throw in a, "Look, maybe I'm wrong and he'd still not be all that great even if all dozen of these things had gone differently." It's missing the forest for the trees to throw in that caveat.
Regardless, you guys can have the W on this. I simply can't talk about Kenny Pickett anymore. Nothing against any poster; it's just ran its course with my mental bandwidth.
Don’t do this. You’re starting to use Souf-like tactics in order to craft an argument. There were a handful of good QBs who put up similar points to Kenny vs Cincy and some of them even lost. It’s the NFL, and even the Cincy defense of 2023 can be formidable in a given game. Oh, and context matters. Dude was like 28-42 for 400 yards without Canada before he got hurt. Anyone with an eye could see a major difference in Kenny after Canada was dismissed. You choose not to. That’s fine.
So context matters except when Pickett lights it up (kind of; there weren't many points scored) against the team that was 31st in points allowed (Arizona) and 31st in yards allowed (Cincy)
I respect the dedication. Like I said, I lost this debate.
I’m not looking for a W because I don’t have an opinion on him. But again, if you’re a young inexperienced sales rep representing a bad product under bad leadership who are bad at training, development, etc…, do you want to be labeled a bad sales rep for the rest of your life? And I would understand if you’d have a hard time getting someone else to invest in you. That’s his situation. He might be out of the league in two years for all I know, and I’d understand it if he was.
Nate Peterman is in the league (I think) and so was Ben DiNucci this season. I'm sure Pickett will be fine. There is zero shame in being an NFL backup, and the younger ones with starting experience almost always get a chance to do it again.
I agree he wasn't brought into ideal circumstances. Such is life in the NFL, though; there's a reason those teams are picking a QB in the first round, usually. I'm sure Bryce Young's circumstances absolutely sucked. So did Fields' in Chicago, etc. You either thrive in spite of it or you hope you get another chance.
No. I simply said we have never seen Kenny outside of Canada outside of one game, nothing more, and you took it as some kind of broad declaration on my part for that one game and you had to tear down the performance. You think people are obsessed but yet you are obsessed yourself.So context matters except when Pickett lights it up (kind of; there weren't many points scored) against the team that was 31st in points allowed (Arizona) and 31st in yards allowed (Cincy)
I respect the dedication. Like I said, I lost this debate.
Yeah chances are he will earn a paycheck and have a long unremarkable career. But I think he can be a jerk and who knows could wear out his welcome because he can’t come to grips with his role. I’m sure Nate and Ben have hung on because they know their role.
I don't know. DiNucci did not strike me as the type who was content being a backup at Pitt, but I'm sure it's a little different in the NFL with that amount of money at stake. I'm sure Kenny will learn to adjust, if he hasn't already, when the choices are between a huge paycheck and a real job.
Lots of words to say -
Yes - we can’t win games if the opponent scores 20 or more points because the offense is still bad .
So how can you say we are better -
When literally the two losses were because defense didn’t hold the opponent below 20?
This was the only game we scored over 20 this season , because the raiders are hot garbage, snd bailed out the offensive with penalties
Fields again threw for less than 150 yards .
ijust changed my mind again, no way you can go with wilson right now and pull Fields. stick with Justin Fields until a terrible loss or an injury.
And yes, im aware that im having a conversation with myself..
ok, sorry to interrupt, now go back to talking about kenny f'in pickett while we all try to cut our wrists with a dull knife over having to listen to this endless regurgitated debate..
And yes, im aware that im having a conversation with myself..
ok, sorry to interrupt, now go back to talking about kenny f'in pickett while we all try to cut our wrists with a dull knife over having to listen to this endless regurgitated debate..
I don’t know why you can’t acknowledge that what he does with his feet is just as significant? He turned so many negative plays into significant positives just with his feet. throwing for less than 150 on Sunday is irrelevant and cherry picking.
The biggest question for me is why can’t this team score points in the first half of games for the past few years but then have more success in the 2nd half?
I mean, that's all generally true of this year as well. They got Cousins coming off an injury (that game might be different today), overdrafted Bo Nix in his 2nd start (he's playing a little better now), Justin Herbert/Easton Stick, 39 year old Joe Flacco (loss), Dak's worst season of his career (loss), and Gardiner Minshew/Aidan O'Connell.
The upcoming schedule is where it gets more interesting. Pre-season, the Giants and Commanders looked like easy wins but those will be more difficult games. The Bengals have seemed to drop a lot of winnable games but I think they can probably beat anyone in any given week. The Jets took the Bills to the wire and I think Rodgers is probably pissed and maybe due for a huge week. They never win at Philly. Chiefs and Baltimore will be extremely tough. The Browns are a freaking mess and we probably beat them but if they switch to Jameis they could be a whole different team.
Anyway, I'm not here to argue the merits of either last year's QB or this year's QB. But as far as strength of schedule goes, I still think it's pretty clear that Kenny's 4 playoff teams in 5 weeks was much harder than this year's murderer's row of .500 clubs with bottom half QB play.
Excellent point. I was just going to say the same thing. This schedule was a bit softer so far.
Diontae is a compiler. Terrible efficiency once again (6.2 yards per target is 77th in the NFL and he's 45th in yards per route run). But he gets a lot of volume because Dalton is throwing it almost 40 times per game and almost always in negative game script. Plus his only competition is a bunch of rookies and washed veterans like Adam Thielen and Jonathan Mingo. Can't just look at the box scores and say that Diontae is good. He's like a smaller and less explosive version of that year DJ Chark had when the Jaguars lost every game and Bortles was just chucking it with abandon down 10+ on every throw.
On top of that, he's not a great teammate and wasn't a scheme fit. I think he probably would have helped Fields' passing stats but we throw so little that it may not have made a huge difference. Outside of fantasy football, I don't think the Steelers miss him at all. He can piss off and enjoy 1-16.
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Yeah, but we added Lance McCutcheon to the practice squad. No receptions or anything (overrated stat anyway), but he did amass five targets in 2022.
LOL Raise your hand if you were fooled into thinking the Steelers had a shot at Adams. Having said that, depending upon what the Jets gave up, Im not sure it would have been worth trading for him. The mistake the Steelers made was going into the season and not addressing the WR problem
Hey, we need that 3rd round selction so we can draft more guys like Roman Wilson, Darnell Washington, DeMarvin Leal, and Kendrick Green.
Actually, if I'm using past recent draft picks as value criteria then we might as well throw in a 1st also.
What's the point of going after him if you don't think you're going to make the AFC Championship game?
If you don't, then you spend a 3rd round pick and $12 million for half a season to lower your draft pick. If you do, then you spent a 2nd round draft pick and $12 million for half a season, which many would argue is worth it?
I generally agree and think this team should have submitted to rebuilding long before it did. But I would have to see what kind of compensatory pick (if any) might be in the equation if you didn't re-sign him. And I would also think this would give them a potential leg up on re-signing him.
So as long as we're keeping Watt and convincing ourselves that there is at least a chance, I wouldn't be opposed to a move like this. Particularly if you're still evaluating Fields as the QB of the future, because this receiving corps doesn't really give him much of a chance.
if this team and organization doesnt think they can compete for a conference championship, they why not trade Watt or Minkah or Highsmith now for draft picks? Why bother to re-sign Heyward if they cant compete?
your point doesnt make any sense. of course they think they can compete as most teams do. if not, then what are they even doing?
And maybe Adams had little to no interest in coming here. Reuniting with Rodgers seemed to be a clear #1 this entire time.
Yeah... I guess Im one of those guys that think a QB should be able to pass and not just play the wildcat. You got me there.
We have the same receivers this year as last year. Pickett was without DJ for 5 of his games, so he had Pickens, a 33 year old Allen Robinson, Heyward, Austin, Miles Boykin.... that is it.
This year the Steelers have Pickens, Freiermuth, Austin, Jefferson, Heyward, Patterson
Pretty much the same. This year we rank 28th, only ahead of the Chargers whose QB was injured, Browns, Titans (both qbs suck) and the Pats.
Last year the Steelers ranked 25th (I mean, of course ahead of the Bears, whose undrafted backup had a better QBR and yards thrown per start than Fields)
The guy isnt good. He wasnt good, he isnt good now.
And don’t forget that there were games that Kenny didn’t have Muth as well. And he had to navigate portions of the schedule without those guys that were tougher than what Fields has had to navigate this year, and with less experience, AND with Matt Canada. So while I say the offense looks better now, there’s reasons for that. I’m not giving Fields high praise.
Look, bottom line is this…whether it’s Kenny or Justin, I’m objective at looking at the offense and not scapegoating them as problem A, B, and C.
Russ will get his chance in Smith’s offense and maybe he will do much better than Fields. Time will tell.
Because they aren’t scoring enough on offense to win games without the defense playing lights out
Again
The two losses we gave up 20 and 27 points -
Not exactly hills to cimb
His legs aren’t enough when he’s not a good at reading defenses or throwing downfield .
We are 20th in scoring offense - and as not to put too fine a point on it -
Averaging 20.7 PPG
Which proves it’s not good and why we lost the 2 winnable games
We’d be 5-1 if the #1 WR with all those physical gifts catches a routine TD pass vs Indy…and might be 6-0 if said WR converts a 3rd down drop and runs a few additional routes.
The only way Fields remains a stiller next year is if he signs for way cheap - say $10mil/year .
That’s about all he’s worth as a QB,
Then we are drafting another or grabbing a vet backup
That’s about all he’s worth as a QB,
Then we are drafting another or grabbing a vet backup
You can keep blaming the offense on a single wr . The guy with 2x the receiving yard as the # 2 guy ( who makes $12mil a year).
Because that’s about the most damning defense of a qb I ever heard .
Take a break.
Fields isn’t a good qb
It’s okay to simply admit that
I’ve stated as much probably 40 times in this thread. But I’ll ask you again, who would be better in this offense that was available? Kenny?
i've changed my mind on Russ vs Fields starting now about 9 times. Now that it looks like Wilson, im kind of against it lol. and yes, i know 2 hours ago, i said the opposite..
well good thing is tomlin, khan and rooney couldnt care less what i think and i guess we'll find out sunday night who's right or wrong.
What's even funnier is, there is still a really good chance that after sunday's game, it will be low scoring, we may win, we may lose and we'll probably still not know who the better option is. Does anyone really expect Wilson to either really suck or really be great?
You know it will be a 17-13 game, with 160 yards passing and depending on TJ watt, we win or lose late in the 4th quarter. And we are here monday morning, STILL not knowing who the hell our QB should be.
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