More like the number of Penn Staters that turned a blind eye to children being molested.
OT: Pirates Cole Tucker.
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Emphasis on IS. Morton IS what I call the classic Willie Daniel. (For those who are old enough to remember the El Stinko Steelers of the 1960s, a defensive back named Willie Daniel had to be the stinkiest of the bunch. Sorriest excuse for a pro football player I ever saw . . . while he was in a Steeler uniform. He got traded to the LA Rams . . . and promptly became an All-Pro there!)
They were only 13 games out of first place and benefited from going 15-5 against the worst division (AL Central) in all of baseball. Are we expected to just ignore the details?
Yes. They dont control the schedule nor other teams. They beat who they played.
In 2015, they won 98 games despite being in the BEST division in baseball, yet most people complain that they didn't do enough to get over the top. Add to that the fact that NOBODY they could have acquired that season would have helped them beat Baumgartner, period. He was that good.
Pirates "fans" love moving the goalposts to fit their misery.
Oh. Nobody has reminded me that the Pirates won 98 games in a season in the last twenty minutes but it doesn't explain why I'm supposed to be excited by a club that barely won half of it's games last year and has a self-inflicted salary cap. You kind of moved the goalpost there. Most fan bases revel in championships, not "We made the Wild Card!"
What's sad is a lot of these arguments mimic those of Pitt football defenders and detractors.
As in the case above, it's in what you like
Some are just happy to have a team, will root, root, root for the home team or "dear old Pittsburgh". Whereas others want it to actually be actively trying to win.
I fall into the latter, but I often wish I could be like the pro-Nutting, pro-"losing makes Pitt look like an Ivy" crowd, and just be happy with the teams no matter how they suck, because ultimately they're never winning championships, either one.
I didnt move any goalposts. Stop projecting your weak argument on to me.
Economics is what hamstrings the payroll for the Pirates, especially when the "fans" informally boycott attending games. I dont blame any business owner for not wanting to run a business in the red and sign overpriced free agent talent to appease a petulant fanbase.
Someone should have told KC and Cleveland that economics hamstrung them right out of the WS. The club hamstrings itself by slashing payroll. The losers that buy into the argument that the club is poor enable it. The fan base isn't petulant at all except that more people show up when the team is competing late in the season. Just like pretty much everywhere else in every other sport.
Got any more excuses?
As predicted, the putrid Pirates offense is catching up to them. Wasting good pitching efforts.
Kang pinch hitting with tying run on second???? Braaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
Guy should be selling flowers by the West End Bridge!!
I believe it was Arietta they lost to in 2015, but he was as dominant as Baumgarner was in 2014.
Most people complained that AFTER that season (in the offseason) they not only didn't "add" to the team, they actively subtracted.
The club IS poor. Valuations are not the same as operating cash flow. The Bucs may be worth a billion dollars, but that doeant mean thats the same as having that much available to spend. Anybody that thinks that the Bucs can spend like the Phillies, Giants, Cubs, and Cards is completely insane.
Besides, player valuations are really beginning to show that spending big in free agency is counterproductive to long term success, which is why teams (not just the Buccos) are slashing payroll and rolling the dice on younger, cheaper talent. This is why the MLBPA is so pissed and hell bent on changing the rules to force teams to spend on free agents again. They know that teams have found a way to alter the market and find value in low cost talent, of which NH and the Pirates have been pioneers. I think its incredibly smart and is showing to be pretty effective.
The problem is that Pirates "fans" have been conditioned to believe that trying to win = spending money, which can be true but isn't the only way to be successful in this game. The result has been that the Pirates are winning, but because it hasnt been accompanied by large spending sprees, the "fans" attach asterisks to the winning.
Three games over 0.500 isn't "winning". That's just average. Avoids the "twenty seasons of suck" but just barely. If the Steelers were 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7 every year, there wouldn't be any asterisk. It's not being "losers" but it sure isn't winning.
I have no idea what "valuation" or any of that means. It's all excuses. The Pirates aren't spending because attendance never changes. They can roll out a new "prospect" with the same cast of clowns they find around the league pretty regularly and people here lap it up. The league and players don't like what the Pirates are doing because they're getting a fat payment from the big spending clubs and pocketing it rather than adding depth and looking for ways to compete. There's nothing pioneering about being a cheap baseball owner.
Yes, it is winning. Winning is winning, and 3 games over .500 is, in fact, winning. It may not be what we all want, but it is a far cry from the dark times.
The fact that you dont know what valuations are, then call it an excuse in the same breath, completely disqualifies you from any further comment on this matter. Im certainly not going to engage here any further from this point
Yeah, I'm stupid because I won't let you cram garbage about valuation down my throat. It's just window dressing to mask profit margins with something that sounds like a good excuse. Even a kid knows there's not much "value" in trolling the waiver wires for cheap DFA's and has-beens.
I wouldn't mind the Pirates being cheap in free agency, if they would at least be competent in drafting, developing and evaluating talent. People still go crazy over them giving away Aramis Ramirez to the Cubs. That was 16 years ago and since then the only 3B they have produced close to his level are Pedro, who couldn't throw, and Kang who couldn't stay sober.
Nutting is one of the richest owners in baseball.
His franchise increases in value every year, and has now crossed the Billion dollar mark.
He gets money from the tax on big spending teams.
He is far from poor, but his product is.
Did you ever consider that if he invested a reasonable amount of money into decent players, the fans might reward him with great attendance? The PIrates easily draw over 2 million when they are competitive. That's a lot of money from the gate, plus concessions. How much profit is there selling draft beer for $8 a glass???
Nutting takes the easy/lazy way, he deflates payroll to meet attendance instead of priming the pump to jack attendance.
Worst owner in baseball, by far, and it isn't even close.
Fans don't care because HE doesn't care.
His franchise increases in value every year, and has now crossed the Billion dollar mark.
He gets money from the tax on big spending teams.
He is far from poor, but his product is.
Did you ever consider that if he invested a reasonable amount of money into decent players, the fans might reward him with great attendance? The PIrates easily draw over 2 million when they are competitive. That's a lot of money from the gate, plus concessions. How much profit is there selling draft beer for $8 a glass???
Nutting takes the easy/lazy way, he deflates payroll to meet attendance instead of priming the pump to jack attendance.
Worst owner in baseball, by far, and it isn't even close.
Fans don't care because HE doesn't care.
What stinks is that we may actually have the starting pitching this year to be competitive and this guy did absolutely nothing to help this team’s offense in the offseason. He did NUTTING!
The time IS now and he doubled down on his cheapness.
The time IS now and he doubled down on his cheapness.
It's pretty transparent. How he manages to convince people he's being victimized or that they're somehow smarter is beyond me.
