OT: Pirates Ke'Bryan Hayes a bust?
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Yikes the last 9+ innings the A's have outscored us 16-2.
Roansy Contreras line so far, 7 batters faced, 5 hits, 2 walks, no outs....5 runs, 2 guys on base.
Roansy Contreras line so far, 7 batters faced, 5 hits, 2 walks, no outs....5 runs, 2 guys on base.
And Contreras is done for the day. 5 hits, 5 runs, 2 walks 1K 0.1 IP and ERA of 135 for the day
Worst start to a game since Pitt GT in football during the Chryst era
Wait...the other 2 runs score. So he is charged with all 7. That's an ERA of 189 for the day. Not 1.89.
Bad pitching coupled with no hitting is a terrible way to go through a season! So says Dean Wormer!
Bryan Reynolds 23 for 103 .223avg. 2 homeruns last 126 abs
Hated this contract, dude struggles way too much during the season. Last season same thing. He was hitting .200 until June. Another bad contract by the Pirates. I'm all for a nice $106 million dollar contract but not for Reynolds.
Hated this contract, dude struggles way too much during the season. Last season same thing. He was hitting .200 until June. Another bad contract by the Pirates. I'm all for a nice $106 million dollar contract but not for Reynolds.
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I just wonder how much of the pirate spin that gets repeated over and over again becomes truth, even though it isn’t.
The other night, Greg brown, Neil Walker and Michael McHenry referred to him as “the greatest defender on the planet” on several occasions. Really?? Is he that good? Come on! Maybe he is…but I’d think the greatest defender on the planet is playing centerfield of SS somewhere. Plus, where did Hayes rank among 3rd basemen for the last full season of play? I legitimately don’t know.
The other one that makes me wonder is how much we consistently hear how great our starting catcher is at framing pitches. And that makes him extremely valuable. Really? Does that support having a guy who bats .179 in the lineup?
The other night, Greg brown, Neil Walker and Michael McHenry referred to him as “the greatest defender on the planet” on several occasions. Really?? Is he that good? Come on! Maybe he is…but I’d think the greatest defender on the planet is playing centerfield of SS somewhere. Plus, where did Hayes rank among 3rd basemen for the last full season of play? I legitimately don’t know.
The other one that makes me wonder is how much we consistently hear how great our starting catcher is at framing pitches. And that makes him extremely valuable. Really? Does that support having a guy who bats .179 in the lineup?
What else are they supposed to talk about?
They are a business trying to sell tickets.
I mean, Hayes definitely has a case for the best defender in the game and you would certainly have to put him in the top 5.
Just using dWAR, which does have the positional adjustment that you are looking for so shortstops, centerfielders, and catchers are rewarded for playing a more demanding position, Hayes has been in the top 10 every full season that he's been a full time major leaguer including 2021 when he missed almost half of the season. In fact, if he hadn't missed those games he probably would have led the league in back to back years. No other player has been in the top 10 all three years and only three guys made the top 10 twice (two of them, Ha-Seong Kim and Jorge Mateo would probably be the guys that you would argue might be better than Hayes).
Hedges is a bit of a different case but it isn't as if we have a catching prospect ready for the big right now so it's not the worst thing to have a decent glove man to help our young pitching. The results on that are pretty mixed though.
I still don't understand why Hayes has not been moved to shortstop, especially with Cruz out.
Maybe because he is and always has been a third baseman?
In addition to not teaching Hayes a whole new position honestly I think that they just wanted to give Castro a shot because it's no guarantee that Cruz is the long term solution there. Castro's numbers weren't bad in a small sample last year but he has been a butcher this year.
But then we gave Marcano a shot so it has really worked out just fine.
I get it. That’s their job. But again, are they rubbing off on the hoi polloi?
Move Hayes to short and Cruz to 3rd and the universe will seem aligned. Lol.
Last year Hayes led the major leagues in defensive WAR.
This year so far he is 9th.
Calling him the best defensive player in the game might be a bit of hyperbole. But just a bit. And it might not be.
He could be great...but Pirates refuse to move him to ss and tell him to switch hit.
Up to .263.
@PittPoker Not trying to dis on you here. In fact, please keep on with your comments because they seem to be helping.
Nonetheless, I'll agree that we all still want even a little bit more from him even though it's great to see his improvement thus far.
He’s adjusted his swing and pitchers will punch back at some point to mess with his timing. Then we will see what type of hitter he is. When Poker started this thread he was around .179. We knew then that Hayes wasn’t a .179 hitter. Heck many didn’t think he is a .230 hitter either. This pace will slow down, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended the year around his career average. But if he’s a .260-.270 hitter, that would be tremendousUp to .263.
@PittPoker Not trying to dis on you here. In fact, please keep on with your comments because they seem to be helping.
Nonetheless, I'll agree that we all still want even a little bit more from him even though it's great to see his improvement thus far.
If you are a believer in all of the metrics, then the exit velocity of the ball off his bat suggests he could become a higher end hitter. But one thing at a time. Let's see if he can stick around .260 for a while. None of us doubt he could go on a 2-30 slump in his next 10 games too.
Geezz. I turned it off to watch to NBA final. 5 for 5.
I think I posted it here in this mess somewhere but one of those sites said he still needs to increase his launch angle. It’s doubled so far (roughly I think) from the beginning of his career but it was so bad to begin with even with that increase it’s not good enough.Up to .263.
@PittPoker Not trying to dis on you here. In fact, please keep on with your comments because they seem to be helping.
Nonetheless, I'll agree that we all still want even a little bit more from him even though it's great to see his improvement thus far.
But it appears he’s BUSTing a move.
Telling a guy who has never switch hit before to start switch hitting in the majors is a great strategy!
I wonder why literally no one ever has tried that?
He and Suwinski are legit MLBers on any contending team.!
Hayes is now playing like he did in 2020. Hope it continues. Doubles, gap shots all over the place. He's 19 for his last 33 at-bats, hitting .576.
He also had 3 consecutive 3 hit games before tonight where he had 5 hits. That's what I call on fire.
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yeah, sorta like moving one of the best defenders in the game to a new position once he gets to the majors.
I assumed your other post about switch hitting was sarcasm. As far as fielding though , it’s done all the time right?
Second on the team in hits too, just one behind Reynolds.
Since they’re playing the Mets and on the subject of Hayes/Reynolds, I find it intriguing that they gave this guy Brandon Nimmo a $162M contract. I mean, he seems to be a fairly solid player. But his numbers right now are kind of similar to Hayes’ and Reynolds’ (bit better than Hayes/bit worse than Reynolds) who got much less. Plus he’s 30 and doesn’t hit for much power. Most HR/RBI he’s had in a season was 16/64.
Since they’re playing the Mets and on the subject of Hayes/Reynolds, I find it intriguing that they gave this guy Brandon Nimmo a $162M contract. I mean, he seems to be a fairly solid player. But his numbers right now are kind of similar to Hayes’ and Reynolds’ (bit better than Hayes/bit worse than Reynolds) who got much less. Plus he’s 30 and doesn’t hit for much power. Most HR/RBI he’s had in a season was 16/64.
Can we start a separate thread on Brian Reynolds being a bust to get him going next??
Suwinski has a long way to go before being considered an everyday player on a contending team. I know he smoked two off lefties last night, but that's like seeing Bigfoot riding Haley's Comet across the sky. Plus he's inconsistent as hell and could just as easily be back down under .220 by the time next week (or get up to .265 and then go down to .220).
It is, but it almost always involves guys moving "down" a position rather than "up". Shortstops move to second base or third base. Third basemen move to first. Center fielders move to a corner. Catchers move to first base. That kind of thing. Basically no one moves to short or to catcher at the major league level unless they have played there in the minors and were playing somewhere else because of a better player/prospect at their position.
Keep in mind, the skill sets required to be a good shortstop and to be a good third baseman are not the same. Third base is far more a reaction position, shortstops need to have much better range. Most good shortstops have enough quickness and reaction time that they can play third pretty well. Many third basemen don't have the range to play short.
I don't know if Hayes falls into that category or not, you'd have to watch him play the position for a while to know for sure. But it is no sure bet that he'd even make a decent shortstop just because he is a superior third baseman.
Yeah. I mean in all my years, I have heard SS moving to 3B, 2B or even OF. But never a 3B to a SS.
Since the great one here never heard of it I guess it should never be considered. Our bad Oh Great One.
