OT: The ultimate hipster defined thread: Bands that are considered legendary, that you hate or...
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not sure but I hope somehow this turns into a racial argument, we havent' had one of those in awhile and I really enjoy those.. Here, i'll help out..
By far the worst concert I ever saw was Jefferson Starship, no one even comes close, and this was when they were as big as they ever got to be. Haven't bought or listened to one of their songs that I had power over since.
I saw Quiet Riot at Bar Louie in station square about 10 years ago. Wont call it a concert, more of a band playing on a bar in front of dozens of people.. I actually enjoyed myself.. You want a bad concert, go to a Journey show without Steven Perry.. It would be like going to a Huey Lewis and the news concert with out Huey, no one wants to see The News
I know, I couldn't think of a good example.. How bout the E street Band without Bruce..
Oh come on Beiber is more like today's Shawn Cassidy..or Donny Osmond and the Stones are every bit as much of pop culture or were as the Beatles or the Beach Boys....they just try to play the badass card by writing songs about the Devil like Zeps associations or Sabbath or BOC.... None of whom were satanists but it built a mystique....even the Beatles had Alister Crowley on the Sgt Pepper cover
I won't deny that my enjoyment of Kanye's music certain factors into this discussion. But at the same time - I can recognize that the Beatles were tremendously important without liking their catalogue.
When it comes to my statements about Kanye, it's the fact that as a rapper and a producer, he's changed hip hop. Artists like Drake and Kid Cudi wouldn't be around were it not for Kanye. Kanye made it cool to embrace emotions, and he brought that style of rapping about feelings and girls and insecurity back into mainstream rap. Both College Dropout and 808s and Heartbreaks especially are vulnerable and emotional albums, where he's singing about death and heartbreak and moved away from hyper masculine rap albums. Its because of this shift that artists like Drake and Kid Cudi have been able to build their popularity.
As a producer, Kanye brought back the use of soul music as a sample, which has had a huge impact on music. He also, you know, revitalized Jay-Zs career. His use of autotune, especially on 808s has been absolutely huge and it moved autotune into the realm of legitimacy. Whether you like it or not, Kanye used it purposefully and its impacted music.
If you want to broaden the scope, whether you like him or not, Kanye's had a huge impact on culture. His attitude, his political statements, his fashion, it's all changed the game.
Drake is awful. I don't get his popularity at all.
ETA: I also agree with your earlier point. Kanye the rapper has never been as good as Kanye the producer. Kendrick is quickly becoming the guy. We'll see if he can keep it up.
Like for instance I think "The Who" is FUN, and they had real talent, and it wasn't "saccharine" at all, and it wasn't always sounding like you are just leaving a funeral or getting chased out of a haunted house, like Led Zep often seemed, some of their sound was actually uplifting and inspiring and not crap at all.
Caught them a couple times....at the Civic Arena with the Tower of Power horns. Really a good show....just played their stuff....no lasers smoke or mirrors. Light, but enjoyable. I don't need to feel challenged by music.
Tower of Power?....no we are talkin ....
NTOP = Not Tower of Power ...
....NTOP = Not Tower of Power ...
Of course it is, all music is subjective. I know some people who I went to high school with in the late '70s, ask them their favorite music from back in the day and they start naming disco music groups.
Huey Lewis and the News is the one concert where I drew the line. I walked out. I was there because their tour came to my school, and my girlfriend and friends were all going so I was compelled to go. Midway through, I just said "**** it" and "I cannot take anymore of this" and walked out.
All I needed to know that you found this crap to be "really enjoyable". Stay out of the threads where the cool kids participate please.
I'm sure you prefer grunge shiznit. Filthy people mumbling about their toenail fungus while the cacophony behind them drones on. ICP??
That's cool, I'll take your word for it. So basically he rapped about things other than the size of his checking account and his Johnson. Cool.
I don't know if that makes him terribly important, per se - and his political statements are more absurdist than poignant (or even cogent) - but it's all good.
After reading the first page, it has been discovered that many people here have ZERO CLUE AS TO WHAT GOOD MUSIC IS!
Steve Miller band - PURE AWESOME
KISS, AC/DC, Areosmith, Van Halen - Kick ass music!
I couldn't even read beyond the first page as I am just saying WTF on this!
You want some over-rated crap music?
ANYONE that uses auto-tune
Kurt Kobain's greatest song? Click-Click,Bang.Splatter
Any whiny grunge sound feel sorry for me bullcrap
9 inch nails, Nirvana,Pearl Jam, Red Hot Chili peppers, RadioHead,Foo Fighters, Alice in Chains
Steve Miller band - PURE AWESOME
KISS, AC/DC, Areosmith, Van Halen - Kick ass music!
I couldn't even read beyond the first page as I am just saying WTF on this!
You want some over-rated crap music?
ANYONE that uses auto-tune
Kurt Kobain's greatest song? Click-Click,Bang.Splatter
Any whiny grunge sound feel sorry for me bullcrap
9 inch nails, Nirvana,Pearl Jam, Red Hot Chili peppers, RadioHead,Foo Fighters, Alice in Chains
Pearl Jam hasn't played grunge in 20 years.. RHCP are great.. you are stuck in the DVE mentality, my friend..... Music exists beyond 1981....
Yeah, I'm definitely at the other end of the music spectrum. We would not agree on music at all. I like most of the bands you panned and I detest every single band you listed as being great.
Honestly, bands like Aerosmith and Van Halen could invite me to watch their concerts from the stage and I would rather stay home and wash my hair or poke out my balls or clean my garage or do my taxes, etc., then to spend five minutes at that shit show. They just don't appeal to me on any level and they are intensely annoying.
However, like my mom always told me when I was growing up, that's why Baskin-Robbins 31 flavors. It's all good. Thank God we live in a country and in a time where we have so many choices to appeal to a very diverse populous with varied tastes.
Oh come on Beiber is more like today's Shawn Cassidy..or Donny Osmond and the Stones are every bit as much of pop culture or were as the Beatles or the Beach Boys....they just try to play the badass card by writing songs about the Devil like Zeps associations or Sabbath or BOC.... None of whom were satanists but it built a mystique....even the Beatles had Alister Crowley on the Sgt Pepper cover
Lemmy had an interesting take on the Beatles and the Stones (he had actually seen the Beatles at the Cavern Club in Liverpool). Anyhow, his point was that the Beatles always had the clean-cut nice-boy image, while the Stones were the bad boys. In reality, it was the other way around. The Beatles were the working class kids from Liverpool, while the Stones were art-school kids from London.
Well, the Stones overcame their upbringing...the Beatles just appealed to teen chicks. Shallow, vapid, boring. Did anybody ever dance to the Beatles dreck??
Let me first acknowledge that neither the Beatles nor the Stones are my personal favorite rock bands. However, I think it is patently absurd for people to try to deny the greatness of either band. In my mind they are CLEARLY two of the most influential bands of all time and arguably THE two most influential bands to ever come down the track.
The Beatles in particular were just astoundingly prolific for a band that was only around for EIGHT YEARS. Think of their musical catalogue and all the songs we all know by heart and it is incredible to think that they all come from what amounts to a handful of albums.
That is unprecedented and never replicated either.
Also, to start off as basically the One Direction of their day and to evolve into the preeminent psychedelic rock band of what is unquestionably an era defined by such music is just an incredible display of both guts and talent. Let me put it this way: nobody else has ever come close to doing anything like it before or since.
Think about how easy it would have been for them to put out catchy little ditties for 10 years and then just count their money – just like so many of their contemporaries did.
To start off with catchy little ditties like “I Want To Hold Your Hand” and “Eight Days A Week” and to, in a very short period of time, end up producing classic epics like “I Am The Walrus” and “A Day In The Life” is just incredible and has my full respect; especially when juxtaposed against the rest of the bands who were also producing music in that era – many of whom were great in their own right, just not that great.
I think the most overrated artist of that era and maybe all-time is Elvis Pressley. I just have never heard anything special from him. Maybe it was one of those deals where you had to be there in that time to fully appreciate him? I came along a bit later and looking at it in retrospect, he is HIGHLY overrated, IMHO. Another grossly overrated band of that era was the Beach Boys. Basically, they are sort of like Rage Against the Machine in the sense that if you’ve heard one of their songs you have heard them all…at least up until Brian Wilson lost his marbles while trying to keep up with the Beatles.
The Beatles in particular were just astoundingly prolific for a band that was only around for EIGHT YEARS. Think of their musical catalogue and all the songs we all know by heart and it is incredible to think that they all come from what amounts to a handful of albums.
That is unprecedented and never replicated either.
Also, to start off as basically the One Direction of their day and to evolve into the preeminent psychedelic rock band of what is unquestionably an era defined by such music is just an incredible display of both guts and talent. Let me put it this way: nobody else has ever come close to doing anything like it before or since.
Think about how easy it would have been for them to put out catchy little ditties for 10 years and then just count their money – just like so many of their contemporaries did.
To start off with catchy little ditties like “I Want To Hold Your Hand” and “Eight Days A Week” and to, in a very short period of time, end up producing classic epics like “I Am The Walrus” and “A Day In The Life” is just incredible and has my full respect; especially when juxtaposed against the rest of the bands who were also producing music in that era – many of whom were great in their own right, just not that great.
I think the most overrated artist of that era and maybe all-time is Elvis Pressley. I just have never heard anything special from him. Maybe it was one of those deals where you had to be there in that time to fully appreciate him? I came along a bit later and looking at it in retrospect, he is HIGHLY overrated, IMHO. Another grossly overrated band of that era was the Beach Boys. Basically, they are sort of like Rage Against the Machine in the sense that if you’ve heard one of their songs you have heard them all…at least up until Brian Wilson lost his marbles while trying to keep up with the Beatles.
Bravo. Well said. Again, music is personal as far as tastes, I am not the biggest Beatles fan but to deny their impact and saying they "sucked" is like saying I hate the Patriots and they "suck".
And spot on with dreck like SMB, Aerosmith and Van Halen. They aren't the worst, they could be hair bands, but they aren't far behind.
I can acknowledge their influence while still thinking their music is garbage.
If you can acknowledge that musical taste is personal, why can't you acknowledge that I think they suck? I get they had a big impact. But I think their music is wretched. I don't understand why that's so difficult to get.
And it's nothing like your Patriots example. There are objective ways of assessing the Patriots that don't exist with the Beates
I know, the latter 80's were great too!
BTW, for newer good music, other than some country, there hasn't been ANY from the USA.
Some newer stuff, try these (to name a few)
May'N
AKB48
Mari Iijima
Fire Bomber
Of course you can. That was not the point of my post. It was simply to say that their influence on the rest of the music world is unmatched by anyone else.
Bob Dylan
The Who
The Velvet underground
The Beastie boys
Bruce Springsteen
Rush
David Bowie
Nine Inch Nails
The Who
The Velvet underground
The Beastie boys
Bruce Springsteen
Rush
David Bowie
Nine Inch Nails
Springsteen sucked from day one and still does, the dead, well what can I say they suck almost as much as bruce.
An extremely large portion of america couldn't name you a Kanye West song. I realize theres a big market for certain type of music but if you are 'the most important artist', more than 7% of the state of Maine could name one of your songs.
