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Trump had the lowest approval rating at the start of his presidency of any US president in history. It's true, look it up.
Laughable and not true.

He built a coalition that no Republican has ever built. His approval numbers with independents and former Biden voters are high. Your party went weird and people had enough. Get back to what you used to do, whatever that was because you’re leaking voters and losing states. If you’re not careful, PA is going to become the next Ohio. The electorate is changing by the day. Because people are tired of the far left weirdness, the “dictator/fascist/nazi” talk, etc. but by all means keep doubling down on the loser rhetoric.

I understand that you’re salty. I get it. If you want to join a support group with other Nitter and angry single unmarried women spurned by the election, I can dig some info up for you.
 
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Laughable and not true.

He built a coalition that no Republican has ever built. His approval numbers with independents and former Biden voters are high. Your party went weird and people had enough. Get back to what you used to do, whatever that was because you’re leaking voters and losing states. If you’re not careful, PA is going to become the next Ohio. The electorate is changing by the day. Because people are tired of the far left weirdness, the “dictator/fascist/nazi” talk, etc. but by all means keep doubling down on the loser rhetoric.

I understand that you’re salty. I get it. If you want to join a support group with other single unmarried women spurned by the election, I can dig some info up for you.
 
Laughable and not true.

He built a coalition that no Republican has ever built. His approval numbers with independents and former Biden voters are high. Your party went weird and people had enough. Get back to what you used to do, whatever that was because you’re leaking voters and losing states. If you’re not careful, PA is going to become the next Ohio. The electorate is changing by the day. Because people are tired of the far left weirdness, the “dictator/fascist/nazi” talk, etc. but by all means keep doubling down on the loser rhetoric.

I understand that you’re salty. I get it. If you want to join a support group with other single unmarried women spurned by the election, I can dig some info up for you.
I think it’s weird you guys fall for this stuff. Yeah, his approval is higher now than his first time, but it’s still sec d lowest at this point of any presidential term.
 
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I think it’s weird you guys fall for this stuff. Yeah, his approval is higher now than his first time, but it’s still sec d lowest at this point of any presidential term.
Buddy…he’s who we have. He’s an alternative to the Dems, who america is shifting away from. The Dem party has its lowest approval rating in history. Instead of worrying about me and others who know the Dems were taking us down the wrong path, what’s your solution for your party? Who are the leaders and what’s the plan? Because right now they have no plan and are unpopular like never before. The only plan is anti Trump, and if he doesn’t do the job, maybe you can win the midterms. Then it will be impeachment this and that…and it’s a vicious cycle that america grew tired of. Then, Trumps not on the ticket in 4 years. Your people need to figure it out.
 
Beshear would be great. Republicans in kentucky love him

Beshear/Shapiro ticket is what the country needs
The problem is........I never realized how strong the far left, progressive wing of the Democratic Party is. Here in fairly conservative Western PA, they have won almost every primary and therefore race. I do think, not sure if the Harris camp didn't pick him or Shapiro nixed the possibility of VP with her, that it was very smart of him not join her.
 
Buddy…he’s who we have. He’s an alternative to the Dems, who america is shifting away from. The Dem party has its lowest approval rating in history. Instead of worrying about me and others who know the Dems were taking us down the wrong path, what’s your solution for your party? Who are the leaders and what’s the plan? Because right now they have no plan and are unpopular like never before. The only plan is anti Trump, and if he doesn’t do the job, maybe you can win the midterms. Then it will be impeachment this and that…and it’s a vicious cycle that america grew tired of. Then, Trumps not on the ticket in 4 years. Your people need to figure it out.
As a moderate Democrat I agree with what you said. The democrats need to listen to what the people want and it’s not about making DEI, trans rights, etc. People want to know what are the dems going to do about the inflation, higher medical costs. Until they figure out how to communicate to all of the American people not just the far left woke bullshit then the dems are doomed
 
The problem is........I never realized how strong the far left, progressive wing of the Democratic Party is. Here in fairly conservative Western PA, they have won almost every primary and therefore race. I do think, not sure if the Harris camp didn't pick him or Shapiro nixed the possibility of VP with her, that it was very smart of him not join her.
Of all their prospective candidates in 2028, Shapiro is the only one who appears normal. But as of today he’s at like 3% within their party. Would Dems elect a Jew? Hard to imagine they would in a national election.
 
Of all their prospective candidates in 2028, Shapiro is the only one who appears normal. But as of today he’s at like 3%. Would Dems elect a Jew? Hard to imagine they would in a national election.
I don’t think the far left progressives won’t because a lot of them are anti-semantic. The one person and I know people would think this is nuts, but Fetterman would be a good candidate because he takes no bullshit and tells it like it is,
 
The problem is........I never realized how strong the far left, progressive wing of the Democratic Party is. Here in fairly conservative Western PA, they have won almost every primary and therefore race. I do think, not sure if the Harris camp didn't pick him or Shapiro nixed the possibility of VP with her, that it was very smart of him not join her.
Okay genuinely what the **** are you on man?

If that were even remotely true about how strong the far left is they would have voted for Kamala in droves. But they didn’t.

They’re loud but there’s like ****ing six of them that actually vote. They scream and cry that the party is too centric and never vote

The far left is disorganized, and don’t actually believe in compromise. They want their way or they don’t vote Dem. They never have! Go online and find your local genuine anarchist far lefty and they probably didn’t vote because they claim Kamala was bad for Palestine

Well, now you got the guy who wants ethnic cleansing.

They say they can’t see a difference in the two parties. That’s how gone they are.

You guys talk about the far left? You don’t know far left. You think the liberal Democrat is far left because they support trans rights, think Black Lives Matter, and don’t think we should get rid of the right to gay marriage. That’s not the far left.
 
Buddy…he’s who we have. He’s an alternative to the Dems, who america is shifting away from. The Dem party has its lowest approval rating in history. Instead of worrying about me and others who know the Dems were taking us down the wrong path, what’s your solution for your party? Who are the leaders and what’s the plan? Because right now they have no plan and are unpopular like never before. The only plan is anti Trump, and if he doesn’t do the job, maybe you can win the midterms. Then it will be impeachment this and that…and it’s a vicious cycle that america grew tired of. Then, Trumps not on the ticket in 4 years. Your people need to figure it out.
Yeah the Dems completely blew it by moving hard left. They have nobody to blame but themselves for their current situation.
 
As a moderate Democrat I agree with what you said. The democrats need to listen to what the people want and it’s not about making DEI, trans rights, etc. People want to know what are the dems going to do about the inflation, higher medical costs. Until they figure out how to communicate to all of the American people not just the far left woke bullshit then the dems are doomed
So here is a perfect example that they still are not "getting it". Wisconsin has proposed changing "mother" to "inseminated person"? Why? What horse's ass even think this is a good idea? Who is "mother" offending? Who? I would guess 80-85% of people would be against this* (caveat at the end). So I know, some of you will go "how does this affect you?" Meaning me. I will counter, "how does the term mother affect you or anyone?" It is the continued taking away of societal norms in some sort of social reengineering petri dish to reinvent everything and blur lines that got Trump elected as much as inflation. So why continue what is patently unpopular, even with Democrats, pushing this crap?

*What also has happened if Trump says something, then you must oppose it. Because Trump is the antichrist. That is how we have got to much of this mess. Trump pushed for a vaccine, vaccine was bad, Biden got elected, all of a sudden vaccine is science. I can produce video clips (not AI altered) of every single prominent Democrat from Obama to Biden to Pelosi to Shumer stating that we need better border security and immigration reform. Trump wants it......then it must be bad and hey folks everybody into the pool, the water's warm. Biden, Clinton, Hillary, Schumer, all are on tape regarding crime and increased penalties and police presence, George Floyd happens, police bad/criminals good. All of this stuff. It is called TDS. He has made alot of people stupid on both sides.
 
Okay genuinely what the **** are you on man?

If that were even remotely true about how strong the far left is they would have voted for Kamala in droves. But they didn’t.

They’re loud but there’s like ****ing six of them that actually vote. They scream and cry that the party is too centric and never vote

The far left is disorganized, and don’t actually believe in compromise. They want their way or they don’t vote Dem. They never have! Go online and find your local genuine anarchist far lefty and they probably didn’t vote because they claim Kamala was bad for Palestine

Well, now you got the guy who wants ethnic cleansing.

They say they can’t see a difference in the two parties. That’s how gone they are.

You guys talk about the far left? You don’t know far left. You think the liberal Democrat is far left because they support trans rights, think Black Lives Matter, and don’t think we should get rid of the right to gay marriage. That’s not the far left.
Ed Gainey. Summer Lee. Sara Immarato. Bethany Hallam. All are incapable of governing.
 
So here is a perfect example that they still are not "getting it". Wisconsin has proposed changing "mother" to "inseminated person"? Why? What horse's ass even think this is a good idea? Who is "mother" offending? Who? I would guess 80-85% of people would be against this* (caveat at the end). So I know, some of you will go "how does this affect you?" Meaning me. I will counter, "how does the term mother affect you or anyone?" It is the continued taking away of societal norms in some sort of social reengineering petri dish to reinvent everything and blur lines that got Trump elected as much as inflation. So why continue what is patently unpopular, even with Democrats, pushing this crap?

*What also has happened if Trump says something, then you must oppose it. Because Trump is the antichrist. That is how we have got to much of this mess. Trump pushed for a vaccine, vaccine was bad, Biden got elected, all of a sudden vaccine is science. I can produce video clips (not AI altered) of every single prominent Democrat from Obama to Biden to Pelosi to Shumer stating that we need better border security and immigration reform. Trump wants it......then it must be bad and hey folks everybody into the pool, the water's warm. Biden, Clinton, Hillary, Schumer, all are on tape regarding crime and increased penalties and police presence, George Floyd happens, police bad/criminals good. All of this stuff. It is called TDS. He has made alot of people stupid on both sides.
You said it better than I could have. Here’s one more thing people in this country saw all of these college students supporting a terrorist organization Hamas and no response from the president or Harris. People see this and think I can’t send my kids to these elite colleges and they are protesting the war between Israel and Hamas not far from the twin towers site. And there’s left wing dems supporting this crap. No wander Trump won. I think if they did this today Trump deport every student on a student visa in this country.
 
The idea that Russia will stop its aggression if Zelensky/Ukraine give up and agree to Russia’s cease fire treaty is a severe misreading of geopolitics and history. Russia did not abide by any “cease fire” agreements last time they (1) invaded Georgia, and Bush Jr. failed to adequately respond; or (2) invaded Crimea, and Obama failed to adequately respond. Why should this be any different?
True. But what’s the answer? 10 more years of this? There is only one man on earth who can bring peace and end this thing. The euros don’t have a plan. No one has a plan. Only the peace President 47 can do this. The guy negotiates deals. That’s what he does. Otherwise it goes on for another decade.

 
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True. But what’s the answer? 10 more years of this? There is only one man on earth who can bring peace and end this thing. The euros don’t have a plan. No one has a plan. Only the peace President 47 can do this. The guy negotiates deals. That’s what he does. Otherwise it goes on for another decade.

Man, you used to at least pretend you hadn't drank the Trump kool-aid.

The *only* one? The peace president? What are we doing here man?
 
Read this well written piece

There are moments in history where you can feel the tectonic plates of power shifting under your feet, the precise seconds when empires declare themselves rotten and ready to collapse. February 28, 2025, was one of those moments—a grotesque display of unchecked narcissism, geopolitical idiocy, and the full-throttle transformation of American foreign policy into a goddamn mafia shakedown.

Donald Trump, the world’s loudest and dumbest charlatan, decided to hold a public execution of Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, not with bullets, but with bullying. This was not diplomacy. This was not strategy. This was the kind of goonish humiliation typically reserved for reality television, except now the stakes were measured in millions of lives and the looming specter of World War III.

“YOU’RE GAMBLING WITH WORLD WAR III”

Trump—flanked by his yes-man JD Vance and an eerily silent Marco Rubio—welcomed Zelenskyy to the Oval Office only to berate, belittle, and ultimately dismiss him like a waiter who forgot to refill his Diet Coke. The Ukrainian president had made the grave mistake of advocating for his people, for his country, for his soldiers dying daily on the front lines against Russian invaders. But in Trump’s world, there is no room for dignity or resistance—only total submission to the Don.

"You’re gambling with World War III," Trump barked at Zelenskyy, acting like a discount Tony Soprano shaking down a local shopkeeper. "You either make a deal, or we are out." The message was crystal clear: Surrender to Putin, or America lets you rot.

When Zelenskyy pushed back—trying to explain, like a rational human being, that diplomacy requires more than rolling over and exposing your belly to a psychotic autocrat like Vladimir Putin—Vance chimed in, whining that it was "disrespectful" to discuss such things in front of the American media. Disrespectful! As if the real problem here was the optics, not the grotesque moral betrayal unfolding in real time.

TRUMP’S FIXATION WITH GRATITUDE: A MOB BOSS DEMANDING TRIBUTE

"Have you ever said thank you once?" Vance sneered at Zelenskyy, echoing his master’s worldview that all human interactions are transactional. "You have to be thankful," Trump added, "you don’t have the cards. You’re buried there."

This is what American diplomacy has become: an extortion racket.

Forget alliances, forget history, forget standing up to despots—Trump views everything through the lens of a cheap con artist running a rigged casino. Ukraine, in his mind, is a desperate gambler, and Trump is the pit boss deciding whether to extend another round of credit.

If Zelenskyy had gotten on his knees and kissed Trump’s golden slippers, maybe he’d have left with something. But instead, he left with nothing, because he had the audacity to act like the elected leader of a sovereign nation, rather than a groveling servant.

THE CANCELED PRESS CONFERENCE: WHEN THE HUMILIATION IS TOO MUCH TO SPIN

After the carnage, Trump did what he always does: He took to Truth Social to declare victory.

"I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace," he wrote, as if the real issue is Ukraine’s unwillingness to surrender, rather than Russia’s ongoing campaign of war crimes and territorial theft.

The joint press conference was canceled—which in diplomatic terms is the equivalent of overturning the table and storming out of the restaurant. Zelenskyy was seen leaving the White House, no deal signed, no support secured. Just the bitter taste of betrayal in his mouth.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian ambassador literally facepalmed in the middle of the meeting. She couldn’t even hide her disgust. This was the international equivalent of watching your boss drunkenly scream at a client in a meeting while you rub your temples and quietly plan your resignation.

TRUMP’S ‘PEACE’ PLAN IS A SURRENDER PLAN

This is all part of a deliberate pivot in American foreign policy. Trump has always sided with Russia, whether it’s calling Putin "a very smart guy," ignoring his war crimes, or pretending Ukraine started the war. Now, his administration is pushing a so-called "peace plan" that amounts to a glorified land grab for Moscow.

The Wall Street Journal has already reported that Trump’s advisers are split on how exactly to force Ukraine to submit. Some want a "frozen conflict"—which translates to "Russia keeps what it stole"—while others are pushing for a formal deal that outright cedes Ukrainian land and resources to Putin. Either way, the outcome is the same: Ukraine loses, Russia wins, and Trump gets to preen about his ‘deal-making.’

THE DEATH OF AMERICA’S WORD

The entire world saw this Oval Office debacle. If you’re an ally of the United States, you just learned a very clear lesson: You cannot trust America under Donald Trump. Your security, your sovereignty, and your survival are all secondary to whether Trump personally feels flattered. If you are not groveling at his feet, you’re expendable.

Meanwhile, Putin is watching. And he’s grinning. Because now he knows that Trump will do his dirty work for him.

Zelenskyy was just the first ally to be fed to the wolves. He won’t be the last.

Welcome to America, 2025. This is what losing looks like.
Who wrote that? And what’s the plan moving forward? Seriously? What’s the plan?

Putin has already won. He would have won after a week if trump didn’t give him javelins.

Every advancement and aggression putin has made has happened under Dem leadership. Every single one. And the only admin he didn’t was in trumps first term.

And you do realize that for this to end, they have to get Putin to the table, right? The only person who can do that is trump.

And then trump has to think about the post war world, which will still have the Russia/China coalition. Diplomacy and deal making matters. Something you guys obviously know little about.
 
I know you guys want to lower the voter age and let 10 year olds vote. Hey, if they are old enough to change their gender they’re old enough to vote. Your spin is cute. Deal with it.

77.

America spoke.
Which poster suggested lowering the voting age to 10?
 
My favorite tweet today I saw was someone said his grandfather who fought in WWII would be turning over in their graves as we supported such a murderous thug like Putin. I had to remind him we fought with Josef Stalin, who if he studies history, was one of the world's greatest butchers of all time.
 
He wants Putin to win and get something out of the deal in the process
Of course he does. Trump is a day trader and what deal that benefits him right now. If Zelensky walked into the Oval Office and said President Trump you’re the greatest friend of Ukraine and the best president ever, Trump would be saying we support Ukraine to the end.
 
Read this well written piece

There are moments in history where you can feel the tectonic plates of power shifting under your feet, the precise seconds when empires declare themselves rotten and ready to collapse. February 28, 2025, was one of those moments—a grotesque display of unchecked narcissism, geopolitical idiocy, and the full-throttle transformation of American foreign policy into a goddamn mafia shakedown.

Donald Trump, the world’s loudest and dumbest charlatan, decided to hold a public execution of Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, not with bullets, but with bullying. This was not diplomacy. This was not strategy. This was the kind of goonish humiliation typically reserved for reality television, except now the stakes were measured in millions of lives and the looming specter of World War III.

“YOU’RE GAMBLING WITH WORLD WAR III”

Trump—flanked by his yes-man JD Vance and an eerily silent Marco Rubio—welcomed Zelenskyy to the Oval Office only to berate, belittle, and ultimately dismiss him like a waiter who forgot to refill his Diet Coke. The Ukrainian president had made the grave mistake of advocating for his people, for his country, for his soldiers dying daily on the front lines against Russian invaders. But in Trump’s world, there is no room for dignity or resistance—only total submission to the Don.

"You’re gambling with World War III," Trump barked at Zelenskyy, acting like a discount Tony Soprano shaking down a local shopkeeper. "You either make a deal, or we are out." The message was crystal clear: Surrender to Putin, or America lets you rot.

When Zelenskyy pushed back—trying to explain, like a rational human being, that diplomacy requires more than rolling over and exposing your belly to a psychotic autocrat like Vladimir Putin—Vance chimed in, whining that it was "disrespectful" to discuss such things in front of the American media. Disrespectful! As if the real problem here was the optics, not the grotesque moral betrayal unfolding in real time.

TRUMP’S FIXATION WITH GRATITUDE: A MOB BOSS DEMANDING TRIBUTE

"Have you ever said thank you once?" Vance sneered at Zelenskyy, echoing his master’s worldview that all human interactions are transactional. "You have to be thankful," Trump added, "you don’t have the cards. You’re buried there."

This is what American diplomacy has become: an extortion racket.

Forget alliances, forget history, forget standing up to despots—Trump views everything through the lens of a cheap con artist running a rigged casino. Ukraine, in his mind, is a desperate gambler, and Trump is the pit boss deciding whether to extend another round of credit.

If Zelenskyy had gotten on his knees and kissed Trump’s golden slippers, maybe he’d have left with something. But instead, he left with nothing, because he had the audacity to act like the elected leader of a sovereign nation, rather than a groveling servant.

THE CANCELED PRESS CONFERENCE: WHEN THE HUMILIATION IS TOO MUCH TO SPIN

After the carnage, Trump did what he always does: He took to Truth Social to declare victory.

"I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace," he wrote, as if the real issue is Ukraine’s unwillingness to surrender, rather than Russia’s ongoing campaign of war crimes and territorial theft.

The joint press conference was canceled—which in diplomatic terms is the equivalent of overturning the table and storming out of the restaurant. Zelenskyy was seen leaving the White House, no deal signed, no support secured. Just the bitter taste of betrayal in his mouth.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian ambassador literally facepalmed in the middle of the meeting. She couldn’t even hide her disgust. This was the international equivalent of watching your boss drunkenly scream at a client in a meeting while you rub your temples and quietly plan your resignation.

TRUMP’S ‘PEACE’ PLAN IS A SURRENDER PLAN

This is all part of a deliberate pivot in American foreign policy. Trump has always sided with Russia, whether it’s calling Putin "a very smart guy," ignoring his war crimes, or pretending Ukraine started the war. Now, his administration is pushing a so-called "peace plan" that amounts to a glorified land grab for Moscow.

The Wall Street Journal has already reported that Trump’s advisers are split on how exactly to force Ukraine to submit. Some want a "frozen conflict"—which translates to "Russia keeps what it stole"—while others are pushing for a formal deal that outright cedes Ukrainian land and resources to Putin. Either way, the outcome is the same: Ukraine loses, Russia wins, and Trump gets to preen about his ‘deal-making.’

THE DEATH OF AMERICA’S WORD

The entire world saw this Oval Office debacle. If you’re an ally of the United States, you just learned a very clear lesson: You cannot trust America under Donald Trump. Your security, your sovereignty, and your survival are all secondary to whether Trump personally feels flattered. If you are not groveling at his feet, you’re expendable.

Meanwhile, Putin is watching. And he’s grinning. Because now he knows that Trump will do his dirty work for him.

Zelenskyy was just the first ally to be fed to the wolves. He won’t be the last.

Welcome to America, 2025. This is what losing looks like.
Spot on in every respect. Hopefully, this strengthens Europe’s resolve to tell the “ don” to go screw himself. In a year the US is going to find itself mired in a quagmire of complete chaos borne out of a government in tatters run by a bunch of Trump incompetent sycophants, a US viewed as a distrusted pariah on the world stage , lawsuits paralyzing government operation and economic malaise and worse borne out of ill conceived tariffs and economic policy. That’s what happens when people elect a stupid buffoon who has spent his entire life in back alleys conning and bullying people without restraint.
 
He wants Putin to win and get something out of the deal in the process
"He wants Putin to win". How? Putin isn't going to lose. Wait....he could. Maybe, if the Chinese stay out. But the only way Putin "loses" is if we and NATO send troops on the ground and air support. There is a term for that.....it's called WWIII. Is this what you are advocating? I mean I am far over draft age so no skin here? I manage all our defense contracts so boom for me. But millions would die. Is it worth that?

You got to give Putin something.
Zalenskyy has to be given something to save face.
The US has to be compensated some way (mineral rights)
NATO/Europe has to have some assurance it stops and Donestk or something like that.

It's called diplomacy and negotiations. This endless war is as pointless as Vietnam and Afghanistan only we are fighting by proxy so neoncons and chicken hawks don't care because US soldiers aren't the ones dying.
 
"He wants Putin to win". How? Putin isn't going to lose. Wait....he could. Maybe, if the Chinese stay out. But the only way Putin "loses" is if we and NATO send troops on the ground and air support. There is a term for that.....it's called WWIII. Is this what you are advocating? I mean I am far over draft age so no skin here? I manage all our defense contracts so boom for me. But millions would die. Is it worth that?

You got to give Putin something.
Zalenskyy has to be given something to save face.
The US has to be compensated some way (mineral rights)
NATO/Europe has to have some assurance it stops and Donestk or something like that.

It's called diplomacy and negotiations. This endless war is as pointless as Vietnam and Afghanistan only we are fighting by proxy so neoncons and chicken hawks don't care because US soldiers aren't the ones dying.
I agree with this. But how it was done yesterday was a sham and a mob hit designed to appease Putin (even had his state network camera there) and his MAGA base.
 
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I agree with this. But how it was done yesterday was a sham and a mob hit designed to appease Putin (even had his state network camera there) and his MAGA base.
Yeah that was over the top and should have been done behind closed doors. It didn't help.
 
"He wants Putin to win". How? Putin isn't going to lose. Wait....he could. Maybe, if the Chinese stay out. But the only way Putin "loses" is if we and NATO send troops on the ground and air support. There is a term for that.....it's called WWIII. Is this what you are advocating? I mean I am far over draft age so no skin here? I manage all our defense contracts so boom for me. But millions would die. Is it worth that?

You got to give Putin something.
Zalenskyy has to be given something to save face.
The US has to be compensated some way (mineral rights)
NATO/Europe has to have some assurance it stops and Donestk or something like that.

It's called diplomacy and negotiations. This endless war is as pointless as Vietnam and Afghanistan only we are fighting by proxy so neoncons and chicken hawks don't care because US soldiers aren't the ones dying.
Even Chief Neocon Warhawk Lindsey Graham knows that Zalensky effed up. Lindsey has been Ukraines biggest ally and zalensky best friend in America.
 
I agree with this. But how it was done yesterday was a sham and a mob hit designed to appease Putin (even had his state network camera there) and his MAGA base.
Russian reporter tried to get in and was removed from the grounds.
 
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Yeah that was over the top and should have been done behind closed doors. It didn't help.
If BurghGuy would have watched the Rubio interview above, he’d know that the deal could have been signed last week. Yesterdays meeting was not necessary. Zalensky insisted on coming. Why??
 
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