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OT: This is shocking, Trump and Vance team up to attack Ukraine Pres Zelenskyy!!

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And I’ll ask you for maybe a 4th time in this thread. What’s your plan? What’s Europes plan? This war is on their doorstep. Why’s their solution?
Continue to sanction Russia and support Ukraine. We were stepping on Russia's neck and their economy was in tatters...and now Trump is in and took the foot off and is talking about Ukraine surrendering because he's a Putin Puppet.

Zelesney was willing to give up mineral rights for promise of security by the US, possibly entering into NATO. But this was not what they offered, just mineral rights with no guarantee of protection from Russia who continually broke cease fires.
 
Regarding the military equipment sent to Ukraine...

Many were slated for decommission due to age (explosives don't age well) and decommissioning costs were SAVED, which is almost NEVER calculated into the total. So we "sent" less by spending domestically, and SAVING on decommissioning.
 
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We have a bunch of Russian stooges in office now...it's plain as day



 
Continue to sanction Russia and support Ukraine. We were stepping on Russia's neck and their economy was in tatters...and now Trump is in and took the foot off and is talking about Ukraine surrendering because he's a Putin Puppet.

Zelesney was willing to give up mineral rights for promise of security by the US, possibly entering into NATO. But this was not what they offered, just mineral rights with no guarantee of protection from Russia who continually broke cease fires.
I'll interrupt your rant. Ukraine into NATO is Russia's Cuban Missile Crisis. Russia has desired peace with the West since Yeltsin asked to join NATO in the 90's, but NATO is not satisfied with cooperation.

Yeah, we stepped on Russia's neck and drove them right into the arms of the Chinese and they are laughing all the way to the bank.

You all really need to wake up and stop listening to the real puppetmasters--Raytheon, General Dynamics, etc.--those that sell war.
 
I think it’s pretty clear at this point…if you can’t see yesterday for what it was, and what the rest of our allies saw, then you are beyond coming back from that. It was openly berating a sovereign country that was invaded by a totalitarian regime.

The US isn’t perfect, but I’ll say it again, what is happening with Ukraine is as ludicrous as blaming Poland for the nazis invading during ww2.

The display was embarrassing. A world leader should not have to grovel to trump. The POTUS and VP shouldn’t get their feelings hurt because said leader won’t grovel. Whacko fascist Marjorie Taylor’s greene’s boy thing shouldn’t be there asking stupid questions. Russian state tv shouldn’t be invited.

Absolutely shameful.
 
Continue to sanction Russia and support Ukraine. We were stepping on Russia's neck and their economy was in tatters...and now Trump is in and took the foot off and is talking about Ukraine surrendering because he's a Putin Puppet.

Zelesney was willing to give up mineral rights for promise of security by the US, possibly entering into NATO. But this was not what they offered, just mineral rights with no guarantee of protection from Russia who continually broke cease fires.
2024 q4 numbers in Russia

Real wage growth: 7.7%

Unemployment: 2.4%

GDP growth: 4.2%

I don’t think sanctions have done what they wanted. Russia is exporting a lot of product. China really stepped up for them. Thank the sanctions. Germany needs their cheap oil.
 
2024 q4 numbers in Russia

Real wage growth: 7.7%

Unemployment: 2.4%

GDP growth: 4.2%

I don’t think sanctions have done what they wanted. Russia is exporting a lot of product. China really stepped up for them. Thank the sanctions. Germany needs their cheap oil.
“look, bread!!!”
 
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I think it’s pretty clear at this point…if you can’t see yesterday for what it was, and what the rest of our allies saw, then you are beyond coming back from that. It was openly berating a sovereign country that was invaded by a totalitarian regime.

The US isn’t perfect, but I’ll say it again, what is happening with Ukraine is as ludicrous as blaming Poland for the nazis invading during ww2.

The display was embarrassing. A world leader should not have to grovel to trump. The POTUS and VP shouldn’t get their feelings hurt because said leader won’t grovel. Whacko fascist Marjorie Taylor’s greene’s boy thing shouldn’t be there asking stupid questions. Russian state tv shouldn’t be invited.

Absolutely shameful.
I guess you don’t watch liberal CNN. As was said there, he didn’t have to grovel. All he had to do is show up, sign the deal, eat a meal, and leave. He couldn’t do it.
 
I guess you don’t watch liberal CNN. As was said there, he didn’t have to grovel. All he had to do is show up, sign the deal, eat a meal, and leave. He couldn’t do it.
“You haven’t said thank you once”

I watched the Rubio interview last night. I was Furious.
 
2024 q4 numbers in Russia

Real wage growth: 7.7%

Unemployment: 2.4%

GDP growth: 4.2%

I don’t think sanctions have done what they wanted. Russia is exporting a lot of product. China really stepped up for them. Thank the sanctions. Germany needs their cheap oil.
Sounds like you should invest in Russia. Probably already are.
 
Sounds like you should invest in Russia. Probably already are.
We laugh at your Russia comments. It’s why you lost. You foisted the lies on us starting in 2015, and you’re still doing it. Where has it got ya?

The funny thing is, you talk about Russia out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand, they are the biggest threat to the world. Yet on the other hand, you think Ukraine can beat them if we just give it more time. And you think these tepid sanctions have crippled them in such a short time. So which is it? Either they are this grave threat or they aren’t? Or…you’re just a cultist buying everything your side is telling you.
 
to me this was either staged with both sides in on it or a F up by Z

think about that

no lib might admire JD but most that aren't blind know he's smart, and not checkers smart but 3-d chess
 
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Funny how MAGA saw yesterday the total opposite of what the rest of the world saw

Sorry. You are blinded by your partisanship. You are. And you never were a "republican until Trump" like so many people say they were. Zalenskyy is no boy scout as the left makes him out to be and the Ukraine is certainly as corrupt as any country.
 
Regarding the military equipment sent to Ukraine...

Many were slated for decommission due to age (explosives don't age well) and decommissioning costs were SAVED, which is almost NEVER calculated into the total. So we "sent" less by spending domestically, and SAVING on decommissioning.
Let me ask you this? Why does Putin only advance land grabs when weak US Democrat Presidents are in office. This is an example of the horse has left the barn, now we have to get him back. FK has asked you, I have asked you, what do you want and expect this war to end? Ukraine is not defeating Russia. Not. No way. No how. Unless the US and NATO get boots on the ground and then it is WWIII. We don't want that. I don't. I hope you don't. What is your solution? Just continue to feed money and weapons and kill people until they all die?? I mean come on.....sometimes the biggest boy on the block wins.
 
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Sorry. You are blinded by your partisanship. You are. And you never were a "republican until Trump" like so many people say they were. Zalenskyy is no boy scout as the left makes him out to be and the Ukraine is certainly as corrupt as any country.
I was a lifelong GOP - even voted for Trump in 2016 - until I quarantined in 2020 and watched the daily press conferences and the light bulb went off on what a clueless turd he was.
 
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I was a lifelong GOP - even voted for Trump in 2016 - until I quarantined in 2020 and watched the daily press conferences and the light bulb went off on what a clueless turd he was.
Don't believe you. Like Trump was stopping that initial onslaught. When Trump was trying to prevent flights from coming in from places where the virus was exposed, he was labeled xenophobic!!!!! And then you had this...... Sorry that ****ing dog don't hunt.

 
Don't believe you. Like Trump was stopping that initial onslaught. When Trump was trying to prevent flights from coming in from places where the virus was exposed, he was labeled xenophobic!!!!! And then you had this...... Sorry that ****ing dog don't hunt.

If Peak didn't delete all the old political threads I could probably find where I was on the other side
 
Let me ask you this? Why does Putin only advance land grabs when weak US Democrat Presidents are in office. This is an example of the horse has left the barn, now we have to get him back. FK has asked you, I have asked you, what do you want and expect this war to end? Ukraine is not defeating Russia. Not. No way. No how. Unless the US and NATO get boots on the ground and then it is WWIII. We don't want that. I don't. I hope you don't. What is your solution? Just continue to feed money and weapons and kill people until they all die?? I mean come on.....sometimes the biggest boy on the block wins.
I will play ball here.

How in the HELL do you think Muslims,(just ****ing blanket, as you put it - insane phrasing), central american gangs, and china are bigger threat than russia in one sentence

and then the next say if we pushed back on Russia from invading sovereign territory, the largest such effort by a world super power in nearly a century, with ours and NATO's military might would cause world war 3?

That's such a departure from logic I can't even fathom how you didn't hear it
 
If Peak didn't delete all the old political threads I could probably find where I was on the other side
Again you aren't addressing the fact that Trump wanted flights shut down from China. He was pushing for a vaccine. That Pelosi was telling everybody they are racist if they avoid Chinatown. And somehow this was Trump's fault? Come on. You are a degreed engineer in the nuclear field. You are smart and have the ability to discern bullshit for partisan crap. if Trump shut it all down, it would be viewed as "fascist" and an example that he is trying to affect our lives.

Here's my criticism of Trump then. He just never shown empathy for the disease and pouted that it was ruining his "big beautiful economy" . I think that cost him ultimately the election. But the deaths were occuring unless a Democrat was willing to be "xenophobic" and "fascist". So when Biden was elected, shutdowns, vaxxs, etc...all of a sudden were okay.

If you can't understand you were being completely played by the propogandist media, I can't help you.
 
Again you aren't addressing the fact that Trump wanted flights shut down from China. He was pushing for a vaccine. That Pelosi was telling everybody they are racist if they avoid Chinatown. And somehow this was Trump's fault? Come on. You are a degreed engineer in the nuclear field. You are smart and have the ability to discern bullshit for partisan crap. if Trump shut it all down, it would be viewed as "fascist" and an example that he is trying to affect our lives.

Here's my criticism of Trump then. He just never shown empathy for the disease and pouted that it was ruining his "big beautiful economy" . I think that cost him ultimately the election. But the deaths were occuring unless a Democrat was willing to be "xenophobic" and "fascist". So when Biden was elected, shutdowns, vaxxs, etc...all of a sudden were okay.

If you can't understand you were being completely played by the propogandist media, I can't help you.
Dude he publicly said he wanted to slow down the testing since the numbers were looking too bad.

Why are we even going on about this? The man wanted us to maybe inject bleach to kill the covid. It was a clown show.
 
This is my work. I couldn't tell you your baseball knowledge is ****ing crazy. Sorry. This my lane. Stay in yours unless you are providing evidence that this is not true.
Your lane isn't geopolitical threat analysis pal.

Or else you wouldn't call MUSLIMS the threat. Like, an entire religion of nearly 2 billion a bigger threat than a country in active invasion. You'd say it's Iran, or Hamas, or insert terrorist organization here

And if it is? You're bad at it
 
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Your lane isn't geopolitical threat analysis pal.

Or else you wouldn't call MUSLIMS the threat. Like, an entire religion of nearly 2 billion a bigger threat than a country in active invasion. You'd say it's Iran, or Hamas, or insert terrorist organization here

And if it is? You're bad at it
Well...there is 3 billion Muslims and if only 10% are radicalized, that is basically the population of the US. That's a threat I would think especially seeing everything going on in Europe. You are paying attention to this or do you think it is "fake news"?
 
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I will play ball here.

How in the HELL do you think Muslims,(just ****ing blanket, as you put it - insane phrasing), central american gangs, and china are bigger threat than russia in one sentence

and then the next say if we pushed back on Russia from invading sovereign territory, the largest such effort by a world super power in nearly a century, with ours and NATO's military might would cause world war 3?

That's such a departure from logic I can't even fathom how you didn't hear it
If China announced tomorrow that they were planning on placing naval and air bases in Canada, how would we respond?

NATO has been trying to get Ukraine into NATO for at least 17 years. I don't think Russia wants our troops in their neighboring country.
Actually, the Ukrainian people didn't want to be in NATO.

Russia took pre-emptive action. Many times since NATO decided that they wanted Ukraine. I think we would do the same.
 
Well...there is 3 billion Muslims and if only 10% are radicalized, that is basically the population of the US. That's a threat I would think especially seeing everything going on in Europe. You are paying attention to this or do you think it is "fake news"?
It's an insane hypothetical, and you're just lumping every single one of them together regardless of their location, nationality, affiliation, everything?

There's approximately 1.9 Billion muslims you're citing a CONSTANTLY parroted figure of a 2050 projection used by fearmongerers


There's 2.4 billion christians, what if they got radicalized? The world should watch out!

See how stupid that sounds?

You claim to be a moderate but you're just another 2 bit racist and xenophobe
 
If China announced tomorrow that they were planning on placing naval and air bases in Canada, how would we respond?

NATO has been trying to get Ukraine into NATO for at least 17 years. I don't think Russia wants our troops in their neighboring country.
Actually, the Ukrainian people didn't want to be in NATO.

Russia took pre-emptive action. Many times since NATO decided that they wanted Ukraine. I think we would do the same.
So Russia, living in their fears of what? NATO occupation? Decided to invade a country rather than exercise political power?

You guys are seriously defending Putin and it's INSANE.

"He was jsut taking preemptive action!"

No, he's attempting a hostile takeover of a country. He is solely responsible for THOUSANDS of deaths.

Be a ****ing diplomat not a dictator one time Vlad!
 
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Dude he publicly said he wanted to slow down the testing since the numbers were looking too bad.

Why are we even going on about this? The man wanted us to maybe inject bleach to kill the covid. It was a clown show.
Burgh you watch too much CNN

it was a clown show on both sides, including the press
 
So Russia, living in their fears of what? NATO occupation? Decided to invade a country rather than exercise political power?

You guys are seriously defending Putin and it's INSANE.

"He was jsut taking preemptive action!"

No, he's attempting a hostile takeover of a country. He is solely responsible for THOUSANDS of deaths.

Be a ****ing diplomat not a dictator one time Vlad!
It's amazing how many people in this country are ignorant to the history and politics of so many areas of the world. The limit of their knowledge is what is spoon fed to them. It takes some work to learn about other countries and regions.
 
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If China announced tomorrow that they were planning on placing naval and air bases in Canada, how would we respond?

NATO has been trying to get Ukraine into NATO for at least 17 years. I don't think Russia wants our troops in their neighboring country.
Actually, the Ukrainian people didn't want to be in NATO.

Russia took pre-emptive action. Many times since NATO decided that they wanted Ukraine. I think we would do the same.
I want an explanation as to how the Ukraine joining NATO would create more of an external threat to Russia than otherwise given current NATO MEMBERSHIP. Several NATO NATIONS currently have a nuclear capability to reach Russia and, whether Ukraine joined NATO or not, their land forces also could be knocking on Russia’s doorstep in a heartbeat. The Canadian example you raise isn’t any where close to the situation in Europe. Have you ever looked at the map of Europe?

The bottom line is that Russia has eyed the Ukraine for years because of their agricultural production and their natural resources. The NATO issue is just a pretextual one for Putin to get what he wants. The whole argument that this war is about Ukraine’s membership in NATO IS PURE NONSENSE!
 
It's amazing how many people in this country are ignorant to the history and politics of so many areas of the world. The limit of their knowledge is what is spoon fed to them. It takes some work to learn about other countries and regions.
Just shut the **** up dude

You don’t know shit. About me or what I know

Maybe next you’ll defend North Korea
 
I want an explanation as to how the Ukraine joining NATO would create more of an external threat to Russia than otherwise given current NATO MEMBERSHIP. Several NATO NATIONS currently have a nuclear capability to reach Russia and, whether Ukraine joined NATO or not, their land forces also could be knocking on Russia’s doorstep in a heartbeat. The Canadian example you raise isn’t any where close to the situation in Europe. Have you ever looked at the map of Europe?

The bottom line is that Russia has eyed the Ukraine for years because of their agricultural production and their natural resources. The NATO issue is just a pretextual one for Putin to get what he wants. The whole argument that this war is about Ukraine’s membership in NATO IS PURE NONSENSE!
You're not even recognizing a soveriegn Ukraine. "The Ukraine"? Really? Go do some reading.
 
Just shut the **** up dude

You don’t know shit
And there it is. The response to hide ignorance. Good night. Enjoy the game. They are playing a bit tougher.

But, looks like this is now the wild west, if they don't even start a game thread. Enjoy.
 
And there it is. The response to hide ignorance. Good night. Enjoy the game. They are playing a bit tougher.

But, looks like this is now the wild west, if they don't even start a game thread. Enjoy.
Look at you, shutting down the instant you don't have an actual argument.

Tell me more about how Ukraine was threatening RUSSIA's sovereignty

You yell at me for just eating the shit yet I'm the only person in the history of this board who constantly attempts to see the other side. When given material to watch I carve out time to do so.

I consistently give Fk, 2003, even Cruits the time of day all the time.

But I draw the line at the persecution of Muslims strictly for their religion. Defending dictators responsible for thousands of deaths. Denying vaccines. and blatant misinformation from clearly biased sources.

I am *always* citing my claims. I've got weapons grade "autism" (not the actual affliction) and read *everything*. I find the time. I crush mother****ers on the betting market, and I read.

Find someone else to cry about, cuz I'm not that guy pal
 
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Look at you, shutting down the instant you don't have an actual argument.

Tell me more about how Ukraine was threatening RUSSIA's sovereignty

You yell at me for just eating the shit yet I'm the only person in the history of this board who constantly attempts to see the other side. When given material to watch I carve out time to do so.

I consistently give Fk, 2003, even Cruits the time of day all the time.

But I draw the line at the persecution of Muslims strictly for their religion. Defending dictators responsible for thousands of deaths. Denying vaccines. and blatant misinformation from clearly biased sources.

I am *always* citing my claims. I've got weapons grade "autism" (not the actual affliction) and read *everything*. I find the time. I crush mother****ers on the betting market, and I read.

Find someone else to cry about, cuz I'm not that guy pal
You're the one who told me to shut up.


Comic books don't count.
 
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