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I still haven't seen an argument to dissuade me from my position. If the kid leaves before year 4 for a reason other than graduation, he pays the school for the unused portion of his scholarship + the costs of recruiting a player to replace him. If he's a one and done, that's 3 year's tuition + substantial recruiting costs he'll have to pay. If he wants to play in the pros, do it right after high school. He's on his own then. Most will fail, but they'll learn a life lesson.
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I believe a kid should be able to go straight to nba. Problem is this though: lotta kids think they are better than they are. Its an epidemic . Pretty sure the rule in part helps protect some dumb decisions. I certainly think if players could go straight to NBA, it would help even the playing field. No doubt .
Yeah for some players it's obvious and for some it's not.
But with a little creativity, contracts and minor league infrastructure,
A better solution is definitely possible.
The only sport it doesn't make sense for is football.
 
I believe a kid should be able to go straight to nba. Problem is this though: lotta kids think they are better than they are. Its an epidemic . Pretty sure the rule in part helps protect some dumb decisions. I certainly think if players could go straight to NBA, it would help even the playing field. No doubt .

And if they don't make it in the NBA, and most won't, they can go back to college and get an education on their dime or an academic scholarship.
 
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Actually, if all of Kentucky's one and done players blew off school after Christmas Kentucky's APR would go right into the shitter and they would get an NCAA tournament ban. The truly amazing thing is that Calipari can, year after year after year, get his one and done athletes to not only take classes in their second semester, but to pass them. Because if he didn't, this wouldn't happen:

https://coachcal.com/news/2018/5/23...erfect-apr-score-for-fifth-straight-year.aspx

Those kids passing those courses at Kentucky isn't all that amazing. They have special treatment, full-time tutors, and there is a lot of cheating going on also. They just know how to hide it. Believe me, at UK, cheating to get these kids to pass is rampant. The son of a good friend of mine was on an athletic scholarship to UK and you wouldn't believe some of the stories he told me about what goes on there to make sure these kids are passing courses. Most don't even attend classes.
 
For me, I also think it’s more fun to watch a bunch of kids grow and compete as a team over a number of years also. I don’t think I’d enjoy watching a bunch one one year players every year.

Duke is awesome, but they’re not a “team”
Agree 100%. I'd rather watch the success story of a homegrown Pitt team (back in the 70s) or an upstart Florida Gulf Coast or even a cohesive group that stayed together for 3 years. But those kinds of stories will always have to contend with the behemoths. All the better when Goliath falls.
 
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Actually, if all of Kentucky's one and done players blew off school after Christmas Kentucky's APR would go right into the shitter and they would get an NCAA tournament ban. The truly amazing thing is that Calipari can, year after year after year, get his one and done athletes to not only take classes in their second semester, but to pass them. Because if he didn't, this wouldn't happen:

https://coachcal.com/news/2018/5/23...erfect-apr-score-for-fifth-straight-year.aspx
Good point. I wonder how much studying, exactly, those phenoms do to earn those 2nd semester grades....
 
Those kids passing those courses at Kentucky isn't all that amazing. They have special treatment, full-time tutors, and there is a lot of cheating going on also. They just know how to hide it. Believe me, at UK, cheating to get these kids to pass is rampant. The son of a good friend of mine was on an athletic scholarship to UK and you wouldn't believe some of the stories he told me about what goes on there to make sure these kids are passing courses. Most don't even attend classes.
I have 0 doubt
 
And if they don't make it in the NBA, and most won't, they can go back to college and get an education on their dime or an academic scholarship.
Yea. This would logistically be tough though. Draft is when? I forget June I think? By that time all players are generally signed.
 
I still haven't seen an argument to dissuade me from my position. If the kid leaves before year 4 for a reason other than graduation, he pays the school for the unused portion of his scholarship + the costs of recruiting a player to replace him. If he's a one and done, that's 3 year's tuition + substantial recruiting costs he'll have to pay. If he wants to play in the pros, do it right after high school. He's on his own then. Most will fail, but they'll learn a life lesson.
How about the school giving the kid a pro rate share of the money made from the bb or Fb program . What about when a program shoves a player out the door , should the school then give them the money they’re not spending on them ?
Pitt made what 33 million from the ACC and the only two sports that bring in the moola is men’s bb and Fb , let’s have a pity party for the poor universities that are making millions off these kids talents !
 
Terrible idea for the U, it's season ticket holders, and boosters.
The basketball rule should be the same as football 3 yrs.

Another reason for a basketball minor league for those players who want to go to the NBA fast and not go to college.
 
People always say the NCAA can't do anything about it because it's an NBA rule, but that's just not true. For example, they could change the rules so that if a school gives a scholarship to a kid, that scholarship should count against the school's limit of 13 scholarships for 4 years (5 if he red shirts) whether the kid stays in school for 4 years or not.

As it is now, schools like Duke and Ky can use 5 scholarships to get the best allowable years from 20 kids, while Pitt can only get the best years from 5 kids from those scholarships.
 
People always say the NCAA can't do anything about it because it's an NBA rule, but that's just not true. For example, they could change the rules so that if a school gives a scholarship to a kid, that scholarship should count against the school's limit of 13 scholarships for 4 years (5 if he red shirts) whether the kid stays in school for 4 years or not.

As it is now, schools like Duke and Ky can use 5 scholarships to get the best allowable years from 20 kids, while Pitt can only get the best years from 5 kids from those scholarships.


But the question is, why on earth would they do that? It doesn't make any sense, and I would guess that the number of P6 schools that would be in favor of something like that would be close to, if not exactly, zero.
 
Any kid who wants paid can go overseas for a year, to Europe or China.

The rule as is benefits both the NBA and the colleges. The colleges get tte publicity and ticket sales from having the highest rated kids for a year.

The pros get insrance against wasting millions on a bust, plus a huge amount of free publicity and recognition for their incoming dratees.

Kids get a year of free, high quality training and coaching, plus perks (recognition, groupies, etc,) most of us would love. And, as the rumor goes, many of them take a pay cut when they're drafted.
 
I personally think it's a total joke and mockery. I'd love to hear people's thoughts.
I'd much rather see a system more akin to hockey and baseball.
It's idiotic and will be changed soon. If a kid wants to spend his life as a plumber or auto mechanic he isn't forced to spend a year in college.
 
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But the question is, why on earth would they do that? It doesn't make any sense, and I would guess that the number of P6 schools that would be in favor of something like that would be close to, if not exactly, zero.
I’d think 344 of the 351 D1 teams would be in favor of it. You don’t think Pitt would be in favor of a rule that took away an advantage that they’ve only taken advantage of once in the last 20 years?
 
I believe a kid should be able to go straight to nba. Problem is this though: lotta kids think they are better than they are. Its an epidemic . Pretty sure the rule in part helps protect some dumb decisions. I certainly think if players could go straight to NBA, it would help even the playing field. No doubt .

Agree. But since they don't, I would favor an NCAA rule that you lose a ship for each player who leaves with eligibility remaining and that ship is lost for 3 subsequent years for 1 and dones 2 for 2 and dones and 1 for 3 and dones. Exception only for transfers attending other schools. Add to that a 1 year loss of a ship for any player who completes his eligibility but fails to earn a degree within 5 years of enrolling and doesn't transfer.
 
I’m all for one and done - it’s not the players fault that they can’t go directly into the league from high school.
 
I’d think 344 of the 351 D1 teams would be in favor of it. You don’t think Pitt would be in favor of a rule that took away an advantage that they’ve only taken advantage of once in the last 20 years?


No, Pitt wouldn't be. And neither would any (or certainly many) other ACC schools. Or SEC schools. Or Big Ten schools. Or Big 12 schools. Or PAC12 schools.

If the majority of schools thought that the best way for them to compete was to put rules in place that screw over the successful programs they could have done that literally decades ago. And yet they never have. Odd, isn't it?

Well, no, it really isn't. Although to someone who thinks like you surely it must seem to be.
 
No, Pitt wouldn't be. And neither would any (or certainly many) other ACC schools. Or SEC schools. Or Big Ten schools. Or Big 12 schools. Or PAC12 schools.

If the majority of schools thought that the best way for them to compete was to put rules in place that screw over the successful programs they could have done that literally decades ago. And yet they never have. Odd, isn't it?

Well, no, it really isn't. Although to someone who thinks like you surely it must seem to be.

You mean someone that thinks like a winner?

If you don't think the various programs push for rules that screw other programs to enhance themselves, you've not been paying attention to the rules changes the last few years that are designed to keep the big programs on top and keep the little guys down.
 
You mean someone that thinks like a winner?

If you don't think the various programs push for rules that screw other programs to enhance themselves, you've not been paying attention to the rules changes the last few years that are designed to keep the big programs on top and keep the little guys down.


Well you get that in the grand scheme of college athletics we are one of the "big programs", right? And that all the rest of the schools in the ACC are too, right? And all the other schools in the P5 conferences are too, right? The schools in the P5 conferences are not going to pass a rule that is going to screw over almost exclusively P5 schools to the benefit of mostly non-P5 schools. Because that would require thinking like a loser. And those schools don't think that way.

Although you might.
 
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