plenty of people to point out within this organization, he's just one of many who are deservedly getting their fair share of blame.
Pickens ain’t optimistic!
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Absolutely but each year the organization chooses one person, usually a player, to pin the blame on. Leaks start filtering out soon after each disappointing finish.
Right about now soufie is thinking about how to craft his next post defending George, saying it’s not a big deal, it’s manufactured outrage and George still caught 3 balls for 50 yards so there’s nothing to see here. Plus, being on time is an outdated practice foisted on society by colonizers from Europe.
Love the, "players shrugged if off" comment.
Not surprising given how they baby sit him on the sidelines. Again, its only going to get worse if they dont extend him.
well i think we can agree that if he miraculously would grow up, play hard, show up on time, not have tantrums, not give up on plays, not sulk on the sidelines when things arent great, then yes, you just ride it out and let him finish his last year here in pittsburgh under his rookie contract.
The problem is, he cant, he wont so that's where i believe we disagree with the few pickens supporters. both sides are better off without each other, we just have to figure out how to "profit" somehow..
Claypool, DJ ... being reported GP was late to the playoff game, and a staff member saying that was him being him.
He could help himself and his team out a lot if he:
- Gave 100% effort on every snap;
- learned to run a pass route;
- participated in blocking;
- stopped running his mouth, tangling with opposing DBs and drawing personal fouls;
- developed some level of consistency at his job.
that's what is frustrating about him, he has the talent. these guys just sabotage their career with this toxic, pitiful efforts and if only they just toned it down and did just the basics, he'd have a good career.
just look at dionte johnson, guy just wont shut up. he could have been a top 10 wr in this league and now he's on his 4th team and looking for a job..
Moss was a generational talent at WR and it showed every single time he stepped onto the field. Nobody has ever/will ever say that about Pickens. Statistically and results-wise, through their first 3 seasons of NFL football, they aren't in the same universe.
Moss was also a problem child before he went to NE. That was the point, well, and it was partly a joke because Pickens hasn't shown that level of talent. But Moss was on his way to being a castoff like Dionte has become and his career was resurrected because he moved to a locker room that wasn't about the nonsense. They didn't have guys that would put up with it and nobody revered the coach for being a "player's coach", aka, pushover.
Jameson Williams for his first two years with the Lions was a similar head case, got into lots of trouble off the field, didn't "get it" on the field. Couldn't run a route, didn't block, wasn't putting in the work, etc. They basically benched him for 2 years using him only for a couple plays per game. Dan Campbell and staff stayed patient with him, worked on him and now he is a major weapon for the best offense in the NFL. Of course Williams is much faster and is a better athlete than Pickens.
I don't know who got through to him or what caused the light to come on for Jamo, but I truly believe that the culture that the Lions have built rescued him from being one of those guys who was facing the very real likelihood of being a total bust and out of a job in 3-4 years.
Leading receiver the last two seasons , of course he’s productive and far more
Than his salary.
Again - who is being emotional about this , again ?
Yep
It’s sop for local sports media
They hated a total effort guy like juju as well .
Should ask why TJ had zero tackles for a few games in a row ?
yeah, unfortunately the steelers locker room culture seems to be more enabling such behaviors in the last decade than it is "Fixing" it.
15-20 years ago, steelers culture was an asset, now? pretty much a liability and major cause of our lack of success..
They won't go after TJ. He's been deemed a superstar talent just like the superstar coach. Everyone is willing to admit he's underperformed but there's always a reason. TJ gets a pass because the coverage isn't good. "If they just covered better, Watt would get more sacks." He got manhandled by a Rookie Saturday but that doesn't matter. So Tomlin finds another way with the help of the local lackeys.
How so ?
Seems the ravens and Texans culture also dumped DJ .
Frankly - “culture” is a silly thing people create as a narrative when a talented team wins .
And is blamed when losing happens .
Did the culture Cowher have fail with his losing seasons ?
Or - did the talent level improve?
I said “mildly productive” and you found the need, I assume due to emotion, to correct me and say he’s “productive”.
Congrats you win. Hope you feel better.
I tell you what’s surly emotional to the average yinzer. Pickens, an underachieving head case, is probably the #4 player on the roster and the three players ahead of him are two vets aging out and the kicker.
This team is a mess.
This team is a mess.
it was one person in the media who hated on JuJu for no reason other than to drive up his own engagement/ratings. JuJu was never going to be a #1 receiver, but he was a decent player who I thought contributed well to the team.
I’d take a couple of receivers as productive as Pickens for less than $2 mil a year , rather than the $12m for the second best receiver on the team .
you know what makes a coaches’ job easier ? Talent .
Not people who come up short in the game but plays nice with the media .
TJ is getting all kinds of heat on the radio at least. not sure he's untouchable like you guys are claiming. many steeler fans asking that question and honestly, i'd bet more steeler fans would be open to trading him for draft picks over re-signing him...
im not necessarily down on him but would absolutely in a heartbeat, trade him for a first or second rd pick. not out or anger but just makes sense. and with a great career already, the steelers probably owe him a chance to play for a competitor. lets face it, we got his best years, let him go play somewhere for a team that has a chance
Steeler exit interviews with the media, they talked about being a fractured locker room. Do you know what fractures a locker room? A coach who treats players differently than other players. Tomlin always says he treats players differently, but fairly. What’s fair about a head case like Pickens being allowed to be chronically late for games and practices, while other players have to show up on time? do you want know how a five game losing streak happens to end the season, that could be part of the reason. I don’t think George makes Tomlin’s job easier. He contributes to the stress.
Trade him.
Sadly an insider yesterday said that he anticipates the steeler signing him to an extension. I hate when organizations hang on to a player too long. I don’t care how productive he might be for a couple more years. To me it’s not worth it when you’re not a contender.
Yet - that narrative pervades this forum just the same way .
weird how 3 of those losses were with Pickens injured -
Guess Pickens is so cancerous he made the defense a sieve and the big money edge to disappear!
And your team would lose. Pretty easy to defend guys whose only ability is to run down the sidelines and catch jump balls. Again theres a reason hes 28th in targets among WR and rarely is ever double teamed despite being on a team that is barren with talent at the wr position.
That may be true but the franchise hasn't turned on him. Not yet, anyway. Dude is the highest paid guy on the team, has never adjusted his game, fades in the playoffs, and apparently just shrugs it off when another player is a problem. James Harrison had a third of Watt's talent and had every reason to fail in the league but he was just the opposite of Watt on every level. He was a bonehead off the field and outside the locker room but extremely valuable to the franchise in every way that mattered.
steelers brought back james harrison and he slept during the meetings, was late or a no show to many team meetings and openly mocked mike tomlin before being shipped out.
of course the steelers havent turned on TJ, why would they? He's a hall of famer. Steelers havent turned on any player.
Some Steelers rip Harrison, who sought release
Multiple Steelers expressed their displeasure with James Harrison, saying the linebacker forced his way out of Pittsburgh. Harrison, however, contends that his desire to be released rested in his getting even less playing time than he expected.
The Steelers don't officially turn on anyone. They just feed their willing media lackeys with rumors or leaks. But they trashed Harrison and he's a finalist for the HOF.steelers brought back james harrison and he slept during the meetings, was late or a no show to many team meetings and openly mocked mike tomlin before being shipped out.
of course the steelers havent turned on TJ, why would they? He's a hall of famer. Steelers havent turned on any player.
Some Steelers rip Harrison, who sought release
Multiple Steelers expressed their displeasure with James Harrison, saying the linebacker forced his way out of Pittsburgh. Harrison, however, contends that his desire to be released rested in his getting even less playing time than he expected.www.espn.com
harrison deserved trashed with how he handled himself in the end. good riddance to that guy, tarnished any positive memories with this organization.
and i know he couldnt care less but i wouldnt even invite him back to these anniversary games to be honest.
You don’t know what you’re watching
He’s constantly doubled - since he’s the only real threat .
Good point
Tyreek Hill also not a threat, right ?
Dj metcalf, Zay flowers
Harrison Jr
Devonta smith
Shakir from Buffalo
Jordan Addison
Brandon aiyuk
Jaylen waddle
Or maybe - your stat isn’t smart
Pickens averaged 7.4 targets per game z
AJ brown averaged 7.5 per game
You’re silly
3 without Pickens and 2 with Pickens.
Once again, if that point makes you feel better…I’m happy for you.
pickens is only part of the problem. The enabling coach is part of it, as well as the vets in the locker room who aren’t the best leaders.
Not to sound like an old man yelling at clouds, but Bussy, Hines, Peazy, Ike and Farrior would have put a guy like Pickens in his place. This team lacks those kinds of personalities.
I love how you continue to double down on stupid. Its quite entertaining.
Regarding AJ Brown, you do realize that the Eagles have another legit WR, TE and Oh the best RB in the league. Context matters dopey. The Steelers have Zero other threats to take away targets from your boy Pickens.
Oh and go look up the stats for the WRs who are most often double teamed. Your boy isnt on the list.
And both of them are near Pickens in targets .
So explain why Garrett Wilson and davante Adams are near the top.
Let me help you out -
Targets are higher for bad teams who are losing more French .
It’s why the top target guys mostly didn’t make the playoffs
Context I agree -is important
More context - the Steelers ranked 29th in passing attempts this season -
Think that’s related ?!?
Listen - Steelers can let him walk during his UFA season and I won’t care.
We are paying $12mil a year for a TE who ranks 14th with 3 less targets per game than Pickens who was paid nearly 10% of that much .
You want change for the sake of change - me - I’d like Pickens to be a great WR2 ir we sign a top WR and watch how that opens up the offense .
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