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Pickens ain’t optimistic!

It's time for the rebuild. This team has no QB. The two OTs might be the worst in the league at pass blocking. Pickens is a bitch and is a team cancer. The defense is highly paid but doesn't reflect it. Harris is done in Pittsburgh. No quality pass catching TEs. Porter Jr. holds way too much. Blow it up. Trade some of those highly paid defensive guys. Find the franchise QB in the draft.
 
from what I've seen/heard of George, maybe he's getting some self awareness for the first time

along with understanding what a long losing streak at the end of a season says about that season and the possibilities with the same leadership going forward

nah, that would too much for anyone to grasp, PGH just experienced 2 successful FB seasons, and everyone's excitedly hoping and expecting similar successes ahead
 
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It's time for the rebuild. This team has no QB. The two OTs might be the worst in the league at pass blocking. Pickens is a bitch and is a team cancer. The defense is highly paid but doesn't reflect it. Harris is done in Pittsburgh. No quality pass catching TEs. Porter Jr. holds way too much. Blow it up. Trade some of those highly paid defensive guys. Find the franchise QB in the draft.
How is Pickens a cancer , exactly ?
 
It's time for the rebuild. This team has no QB. The two OTs might be the worst in the league at pass blocking. Pickens is a bitch and is a team cancer. The defense is highly paid but doesn't reflect it. Harris is done in Pittsburgh. No quality pass catching TEs. Porter Jr. holds way too much. Blow it up. Trade some of those highly paid defensive guys. Find the franchise QB in the draft.
Heard on the radio the other day that the Steelers have 2 of the top 3 tackles in sacks allowed. 32 teams, 64 tackles. That’s impressive.
 
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How is Pickens a cancer , exactly ?
I don’t understand how you can’t see how this guy’s a problem. Talented - we agree. Needed this year - yep. But if you can’t see that he may not be worth the trouble I don’t know that anyone will be able to convince you.

He had to be babysat in the middle of the Bengals game. He quits on routes. You’d want that as a teammate? At some point it’s not worth it. He’s an idiot.

Maybe he’ll grow up. Would be nice - they need him. But he’s can’t continue what he’s doing.
 
Heard on the radio the other day that the Steelers have 2 of the top 3 tackles in sacks allowed. 32 teams, 64 tackles. That’s impressive.

This is true. I think Moore is #1 and Jones is #3. I suspect that the plan was for Fantanu to be RT and have Jones push for the starting LT spot. But, even though Jones is playing out of position I don't think he's magically going to become even an average pass blocker for a starting tackle. They should try to sign a vet for LT, which will give them Fantanu at RT and Frazier at C. That could be the start of the rebuild.
 
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This is true. I think Moore is #1 and Jones is #3. I suspect that the plan was for Fantanu to be Eat and have Jones push for the starting LT spot. But, even though Jones is playing out of position I don't think he's magically going to become even an average pass blocker for a starting tackle. They should try to sign a vet for LT, which will give them Fantanu at RT and Frazier at C. That could be the start of the rebuild.
A vet LT that’s any good would be heavily sought after so that wouldn’t be cheap.

Hopefully Jones is better at LT - I can’t imagine it’ll be anything other than him and Fautanu.
 
They aren't great.

But our offense, how it's designed and called, and our QB play doesn't help.
 
I don’t understand how you can’t see how this guy’s a problem. Talented - we agree. Needed this year - yep. But if you can’t see that he may not be worth the trouble I don’t know that anyone will be able to convince you.

He had to be babysat in the middle of the Bengals game. He quits on routes. You’d want that as a teammate? At some point it’s not worth it. He’s an idiot.

Maybe he’ll grow up. Would be nice - they need him. But he’s can’t continue what he’s doing.
A cancer makes his team worse
Pickens makes the offense better
He’s not the problem
 
A cancer makes his team worse
Pickens makes the offense better
He’s not the problem
Well of course he makes the offense better. Nobody questions that. They’re putting up with his nonsense because of it. Happens all the time. But at some point teams get rid of guys like that. Diontae and AB here to name 2.

If any other WR behaved the way he did they’d be sent packing.
 
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Well of course he makes the offense better. Nobody questions that. They’re putting up with his nonsense because of it. Happens all the time. But at some point teams get rid of guys like that. Diontae and AB here to name 2.

If any other WR behaved the way he did they’d be sent packing.
Steelers have tolerated "Diva" receivers for most of Tomlin's tenure. Pickens is just another example of that. He is not going anywhere especially with this $1.3m salary.

Let's play this game. Imagine if Moore, Jones, and perhaps Muth had the same "cancerous" attitude and the respective talent that goes with it. Think the Steelers would have given up as many sacks or only averaged 4.1 yrds per carry? I can guarantee that offense would be a matchup problem requiring most teams to commit 8 to stop the run and most likely send more than 5 to get pressure. That offense might lead the league in 20yard+ plays..
Think Arthur Smith and Tomlin would tolerate those attitudes if it came with that production??
 
This is true. I think Moore is #1 and Jones is #3. I suspect that the plan was for Fantanu to be RT and have Jones push for the starting LT spot. But, even though Jones is playing out of position I don't think he's magically going to become even an average pass blocker for a starting tackle. They should try to sign a vet for LT, which will give them Fantanu at RT and Frazier at C. That could be the start of the rebuild.
Moore will be gone.
Jones is a LT being forced to play RT since Moore can't. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Jones had surgery on his shoulder in the off season. He's been playing hurt most of the year.
Pretty sure the plan will be for Jones to slide over to the LT spot and Fauntanu to step in at RT. They have their C for the next 10 years, so that seems to be a damn good rebuild already.
 
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It's time for the rebuild. This team has no QB. The two OTs might be the worst in the league at pass blocking. Pickens is a bitch and is a team cancer. The defense is highly paid but doesn't reflect it. Harris is done in Pittsburgh. No quality pass catching TEs. Porter Jr. holds way too much. Blow it up. Trade some of those highly paid defensive guys. Find the franchise QB in the draft.
Nonsense!!! We have a 500 record streak to keep intact!!!
 
I’m all for the Steelers shipping him out at this point. When you look at his production compared to the “distractions,” it’s not worth it. With this franchise’s track record, odds are they can find someone to put up similar numbers in May.
 
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It's time for the rebuild. This team has no QB. The two OTs might be the worst in the league at pass blocking. Pickens is a bitch and is a team cancer. The defense is highly paid but doesn't reflect it. Harris is done in Pittsburgh. No quality pass catching TEs. Porter Jr. holds way too much. Blow it up. Trade some of those highly paid defensive guys. Find the franchise QB in the draft.
Is it really the right time to draft a franchise QB? I said this back in 2022, and I’ll say it again: I think this team has several holes to address, and we should build the team up first before drafting another QB in the first round. It’s what the Chiefs did prior to Mahomes and what we did before Big Ben arrived.
 
I’m all for the Steelers shipping him out at this point. When you look at his production compared to the “distractions,” it’s not worth it. With this franchise’s track record, odds are they can find someone to put up similar numbers in May.
Those who cover the team and in the building all think he helps the offense…but question the net positive because of the headache he is and the energy he requires from coaches and teammates.

I mean, use last week as an example. Anyone in the building saw the vast revolving door of players and coaches on the sideline trying to comfort and get his head on straight, when the time could have been better spent looking at the Microsoft pad and figuring out their x’ sand o’s. And they say it’s the same thing all week too.
 
Pickens isn't wrong. He has no reason to be optimistic. I'm not sure anyone is optimistic with how Tomlin structures his offense. I'm also not sure if he'll keep his cool playing another year in this offense.
 
Is it really the right time to draft a franchise QB? I said this back in 2022, and I’ll say it again: I think this team has several holes to address, and we should build the team up first before drafting another QB in the first round. It’s what the Chiefs did prior to Mahomes and what we did before Big Ben arrived.
Teams should never pass on the chance to draft a franchise QB. There probably isn't one in this draft and the Steelers aren't in position to get one anyway. They can wait on Drew Allar next year...🤮
 
Is it really the right time to draft a franchise QB? I said this back in 2022, and I’ll say it again: I think this team has several holes to address, and we should build the team up first before drafting another QB in the first round. It’s what the Chiefs did prior to Mahomes and what we did before Big Ben arrived.
If a franchise QB is available, you definitely draft him. The problem is the last can’t miss franchise QB available was Trevor Lawrence.
 
Pickens is literally the only receiving threat this team has which puts him in an almost unwinnable situation. His current salary is also very team friendly right now. That being said he is going to demand to be paid as an elite #1 receiver and I’m not sure he’s worth that. He may be more of a top end #2 than a #1, add in that he can be a distraction as well and I don’t think you can break the bank for him unless you have no other choice.
 
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If a franchise QB is available, you definitely draft him. The problem is the last can’t miss franchise QB available was Trevor Lawrence.
There aren’t any in this years draft, it is incredibly weak at the QB position compared to last year. Maybe Ward has a chance to be that guy but pass on the others. Sanders may end up going #1 but that guy piles up a hell of a lot of stats throwing bubble screens.
 
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Teams should never pass on the chance to draft a franchise QB. There probably isn't one in this draft and the Steelers aren't in position to get one anyway. They can wait on Drew Allar next year...🤮
If a franchise QB is available, you definitely draft him. The problem is the last can’t miss franchise QB available was Trevor Lawrence.
True. But like you’re both saying, I don’t think there’s a QB like that in this draft. Maybe Cam Ward?
 
Pickens averaged 7.3 targets a game which was 28th among Wr in the NFL. For all his great talents you’d thing a guy on an offense with limited weapons would be targeted a lot more.

Now why is that. Maybe just maybe it’s because he doesn’t get much separation and runs terrible routes. That despite rarely getting double teamed. Hes far from a complete wr. You can’t base your offense around a guy whose lone skill set is grabbing jump balls along the sidelines. He’s a complimentary Wr at best

But as others have said he’s going to demand an extension this year and #1 money.
 
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Pickens averaged 7.3 targets a game which was 28th among Wr in the NFL. For all his great talents you’d thing a guy on an offense with limited weapons would be targeted a lot more.

Now why is that. Maybe just maybe it’s because he doesn’t get much separation and runs terrible routes. That despite rarely getting double teamed. Hes far from a complete wr. You can’t base your offense around a guy whose lone skill set is grabbing jump balls along the sidelines. He’s a complimentary Wr at best

But as others have said he’s going to demand an extension this year and #1 money.
Good point on the targets. His volume is bad for being the Steelers top option.
 
Teams should never pass on the chance to draft a franchise QB. There probably isn't one in this draft and the Steelers aren't in position to get one anyway. They can wait on Drew Allar next year...🤮
Both Ward and Sanders are better than Allar.
 
Both Ward and Sanders are better than Allar.
It was a joke. Allar isn't very good and I probably wouldn't even consider him until the 4th. You need a QB who can create out of structure and Allar hasn't shown that.
 
Pickens averaged 7.3 targets a game which was 28th among Wr in the NFL. For all his great talents you’d thing a guy on an offense with limited weapons would be targeted a lot more.

Now why is that. Maybe just maybe it’s because he doesn’t get much separation and runs terrible routes. That despite rarely getting double teamed. Hes far from a complete wr. You can’t base your offense around a guy whose lone skill set is grabbing jump balls along the sidelines. He’s a complimentary Wr at best

But as others have said he’s going to demand an extension this year and #1 money.
$1.3 mil a year .
You can’t seem to grasp cost per production is what matters .

Yes - Pickens isn’t we were down 21-0 or why we lost games
 
you cant re-sign him and you cant have this cancer in your locker room with him in his last year so a trade needs to happen with Pickens. i dont think you get much for him, maybe a 3rd but you still have to do it..
 
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