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There is 0 complaint towards Pitt. It's a complaint about college football in general about how you have to use outside devices to create excitement and interest in the game. The actual game on the field is not enough on it's own.

Okay, that is not what I thought you were addressing, because you implied that Pitt somehow wasn't marketing to "real" football fans via a pep rally.

Who gets to decide who "real" fans are, and when that fandom is born? Shouldn't Pitt, or any other school attempt to get as many people to join the ranks of "real" fans? And couldn't the transition from "non-real" fan to "real" be different for different people? So, just maybe the bonfire could be what causes some students to become "real" fans, regardless of gender?

The only other thing I'll offer is that a bonfire or pregame on campus pep rally is not something new, or only associated with Pitt. It's been part of the landscape of college football since the beginning of the sport.

To compare to pro football, how is a pep rally to get excitement built up any different than a pre-game tailgate party?
 
Okay, that is not what I thought you were addressing, because you implied that Pitt somehow wasn't marketing to "real" football fans via a pep rally.

Who gets to decide who "real" fans are, and when that fandom is born? Shouldn't Pitt, or any other school attempt to get as many people to join the ranks of "real" fans? And couldn't the transition from "non-real" fan to "real" be different for different people? So, just maybe the bonfire could be what causes some students to become "real" fans, regardless of gender?

The only other thing I'll offer is that a bonfire or pregame on campus pep rally is not something new, or only associated with Pitt. It's been part of the landscape of college football since the beginning of the sport.

To compare to pro football, how is a pep rally to get excitement built up any different than a pre-game tailgate party?

My first post "This is the one aspect of college football that I hate."

Then I get suckered into a pissing match like I attacked Pitt. I'm not here to get into a back and forth about this with specific definitions and such. I have a different opinion about what I want from Pitt football as far as gameday environment... we don't agree. I'm fine leaving it at that.
 
My first post "This is the one aspect of college football that I hate."

Then I get suckered into a pissing match like I attacked Pitt. I'm not here to get into a back and forth about this with specific definitions and such. I have a different opinion about what I want from Pitt football as far as gameday environment... we don't agree. I'm fine leaving it at that.

Okay, you're entitled to your opinion.

I'm sure there are others who don't like other aspects of college football too.

The hashmarks are too close
There are half stripes on the footballs
Cheerleaders
The Band
Overtime rules
Academic eligibility
Recruiting
LOI day
School songs
Scholarship limits
And any other thing that makes college football it's own sport.
 
This is the one aspect of college football that I hate. People can't just go to the game for football. They have to have something else going on besides the game to entertain them. The fact that the crowd looks like its all a bunch of women (while great to see) is depressing for football.
Yeah who wants any fun or tradition? FOOTBALL....FOR MEN.

Women enjoying Pitt football related activities....????
 
No problem. I'm sure the OP appreciates you're correction to point the stupidity at me.
It pointed itself at you based upon your posts. You need nobody to help point out your stupidity. It is self evident.
 
This is the one aspect of college football that I hate. People can't just go to the game for football. They have to have something else going on besides the game to entertain them. The fact that the crowd looks like its all a bunch of women (while great to see) is depressing for football.
Hey Sarge, they have medicine that will help you.
Do you hate it when theatres sell popcorn? When fries come with gravy? A hot dog with a bun? Really, who made you purveyor of football etiquette? Why don't we demolish all stadiums and watch our teams play in empty lots.?
 
This is the one aspect of college football that I hate. People can't just go to the game for football. They have to have something else going on besides the game to entertain them. The fact that the crowd looks like its all a bunch of women (while great to see) is depressing for football.
Ok...I just looked at the video and I completely understand. The video shows young people having a good time, not breaking the law and I sure hope some guys in that crowd are copping feels. You're upset because they are happy, getting some and you are neither.
 
Funny thread, 2 pages of people taking offense to an opinion i have about college football. Keep it up boys and girls.
 
If you think a bonfire before a game is going to help attendance, atmosphere, donations or anything positive for the football team....then I have nothing further to say. It's something to do for an hour before they all go get trashed.
Yo dumb dumb, there are 4,000 18 year old freshman that live a few hundred yards from the cathedral. They can't go to bars now can they. Building team spirit the first two weeks of your four year college experience is what it's all about. You are a dolt.
 
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Funny thread, 2 pages of people taking offense to an opinion i have about college football. Keep it up boys and girls.
You kind of opened up yourself to the abuse. Your criticism of a bonfire/pep rally is pretty off base, given this is college football.

However, most retorts are from the usual board characters that see fire (pun intended) when there's any criticism, implied or othewise, of the Pitt brass. They're sycophants, odd in their own way as the Paterno cultists or Scientologists.

However, I'm decidedly not in their camp, so I can look beyond the (frankly absurd) original rant at the deeper issue. I think I do get your general point, which you made in one of the above posts:

"Pitt needs to focus on winning and improving the product on the field."

And you are right about that. Pitt definitely DOES need to do that. A trillion times over. That should be pasted to the top of the board.

I think your point is something many share and have expressed (or many have actually NOT, given the paucity of actual football threads and posts on the board) ... that we're literally on the eve of the season starting, and while there are a few nice players to watch for and the coach is passionate, there really isn't much to be excited about. Around a 6-6 ceiling give or take, and if lucky, a bottom of the barrel bowl. Again.

But this kind of thing you blasted, I'll call the rah-rah stuff, is ALSO needed. It's one of the great things about college football. This event for example, looked like a great time for the students, and I wish they had done such a thing when I was an undergrad. I still managed to remain a great Panther fan, but most of my generation have not (and the teams of my era were actually pretty good, the mid 80s). Perhaps more of this stuff would have helped make more fans from my era (although championships most certainly would have done so...then as now).

You picked an unfortunate way to make your bigger point. Don't worry though, some were able to see it.
 
You kind of opened up yourself to the abuse. Your criticism of a bonfire/pep rally is pretty off base, given this is college football.

However, most retorts are from the usual board characters that see fire (pun intended) when there's any criticism, implied or othewise, of the Pitt brass. They're sycophants, odd in their own way as the Paterno cultists or Scientologists.

However, I'm decidedly not in their camp, so I can look beyond the (frankly absurd) original rant at the deeper issue. I think I do get your general point, which you made in one of the above posts:

"Pitt needs to focus on winning and improving the product on the field."

And you are right about that. Pitt definitely DOES need to do that. A trillion times over. That should be pasted to the top of the board.

I think your point is something many share and have expressed (or many have actually NOT, given the paucity of actual football threads and posts on the board) ... that we're literally on the eve of the season starting, and while there are a few nice players to watch for and the coach is passionate, there really isn't much to be excited about. Around a 6-6 ceiling give or take, and if lucky, a bottom of the barrel bowl. Again.

But this kind of thing you blasted, I'll call the rah-rah stuff, is ALSO needed. It's one of the great things about college football. This event for example, looked like a great time for the students, and I wish they had done such a thing when I was an undergrad. I still managed to remain a great Panther fan, but most of my generation have not (and the teams of my era were actually pretty good, the mid 80s). Perhaps more of this stuff would have helped make more fans from my era (although championships most certainly would have done so...then as now).

You picked an unfortunate way to make your bigger point. Don't worry though, some were able to see it.
Well I hope you were able to "see" the misogyny also. Extraordinary that someone has the cajones to be so blatant in their disregard for women.
 
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Well I hope you were able to "see" the misogyny also. Extraordinary that someone has the cajones to be so blatant in their disregard for women.
On a football board, I focused on the football aspect.

He's a football fan who'd like to be going into tomorrow excited for a chance for a big season, which really isn't likely, and saw this thing as silly fluff and ranted (misguidedly) about it. Same as some scoff at things like uniform or logo or colors debates. And certainly, all this stuff pales in importance to the product on the field.

But it's this kind of fluff that is one of the trademarks of the sport, one that differentiates it from the "other" pro football. It would be valuable to do whether the team was expected to be great or not.

His overall premise was flawed, and I noted it.

As far as the misogyny or sexist aspect, that part was odd, and foolish as well. For many reasons, but especially because it's bad business to blow them off. Because women are more than half the population, and as the Penguins in particular have shown, capturing the allegiance of young women fans is a tremendous boon.
 
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Wow anyone complaining about something like this needs help.... get your head checked... pull it out of your ass... and actually start being a fan of your school rather than some overly critical self loathing yinzer...

That video was great good to see the kids actually having a good turnout and being fired up... this is what it looks like when the students support football

But I've been saying for years now the students aren't the problem at Heinz... despite the leaving that section always looks fullest and always looks the most enthusiastic...

Complaining about a pep rally ?!? Especially one that looks that's great??? I'm sorry I've got nothing... just nothing.... it's just a new level of cynicism to the point of complete & utter stupidity to complain about that
 
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Yes, graduates donate back to their school because they had sweet bonfires and sang *** songs during the game.
Basically, yes. That is one way to start getting graduates to start donating. School spirit. It has been sorely lacking at Pitt. Not that the US News college rankings are the best way to rank schools, but it is the most prominent, one of the criteria they use is alumni donations. This is one of the areas that brings Pitt's rankings down.
 
You should have stopped typing after "This".

This is the one aspect of college football that I hate. People can't just go to the game for football. They have to have something else going on besides the game to entertain them. The fact that the crowd looks like its all a bunch of women (while great to see) is depressing for football.
 
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Yes, graduates donate back to their school because they had sweet bonfires and sang *** songs during the game.

It's scary how clueless you are. Things like this are part of cf tradition.

As far as donating goes, yes, people who feel a connection to the program are more likely to donate later.

I think one of the problems Pitt has had with donations, is for years Pitt had so many commuters. They would come to campus for classes, and had no real connection to the extra curricular things going on at campus
 
Sarge also doesn't like the marching band, cheerleaders, dance team, chants, fights songs, tailgating, replays. All major distractions from the game.
 
You kind of opened up yourself to the abuse. Your criticism of a bonfire/pep rally is pretty off base, given this is college football.

However, most retorts are from the usual board characters that see fire (pun intended) when there's any criticism, implied or othewise, of the Pitt brass. They're sycophants, odd in their own way as the Paterno cultists or Scientologists.

However, I'm decidedly not in their camp, so I can look beyond the (frankly absurd) original rant at the deeper issue. I think I do get your general point, which you made in one of the above posts:

"Pitt needs to focus on winning and improving the product on the field."

And you are right about that. Pitt definitely DOES need to do that. A trillion times over. That should be pasted to the top of the board.

I think your point is something many share and have expressed (or many have actually NOT, given the paucity of actual football threads and posts on the board) ... that we're literally on the eve of the season starting, and while there are a few nice players to watch for and the coach is passionate, there really isn't much to be excited about. Around a 6-6 ceiling give or take, and if lucky, a bottom of the barrel bowl. Again.

But this kind of thing you blasted, I'll call the rah-rah stuff, is ALSO needed. It's one of the great things about college football. This event for example, looked like a great time for the students, and I wish they had done such a thing when I was an undergrad. I still managed to remain a great Panther fan, but most of my generation have not (and the teams of my era were actually pretty good, the mid 80s). Perhaps more of this stuff would have helped make more fans from my era (although championships most certainly would have done so...then as now).

You picked an unfortunate way to make your bigger point. Don't worry though, some were able to see it.
Well I hope you were able to "see" the misogyny also. Extraordinary that someone has the cajones to be so blatant in their disregard for women.

Ding ding, pitt-girl. As the father of a freshman daughter who, along with much of her Tower A floor, went to their first pep rally with enthusiasm I say: carry on ladies. F the haters and keep on embracing these spirited, traditional experiences. Great Pitt fans are created therein!
Self-indulgent plug: equally proud that my daughter and her friends stayed through OT!
H2P!
 
By the looks of the crowd, if the men were smart they would have attended the pep rally!
This is some of the change PITT needs! New traditions that the new generation of fans own. Things/activities become more important when you own them.

Keep the good stuff from the past and add new programs and traditions!

That's what I've been "harping" on, PITT football needs so new programs and activities that become new traditions!

When the current fans grow up they'll want to take their families to the games to experience the traditions they put in place + the old traditions!

PITT football is to much of this is the way it was/ is or we've tried everything and nothing works! Hopefully the new AD will lead in introducing more new "stuff" like this that the new fans can own.

Commenting on your post yes you're right on the money. Its hard to believe it was mostly a female group but if the ladies are there the guys will be there for sure / eventually!
 
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This is some of the change PITT needs! New traditions that the new generation of fans own. Things/activities become more important when you own them.

Keep the good stuff from the past and add new programs and traditions!

That's what I've been "harping" on, PITT football needs so new programs and activities that become new traditions!

When the current fans grow up they'll want to take their families to the games to experience the traditions they put in place!

PITT football is to much of this is the way it was/ is or we've tried everything and nothing works! Hopefully the new AD will lead in introducing more new "stuff" like this that the new fans can own.

Commenting on your post yes you're right on the money. Its hard to believe it was mostly a female group but if the ladies are there the guys will be there for sure / eventually!
The Penguins in particular got it right ... they have made big fans out of women, for a game where it didn't really seem a good combination. However they did it (well, winning obviously played the biggest part), it's really been smart.
 
This is the one aspect of college football that I hate. People can't just go to the game for football. They have to have something else going on besides the game to entertain them. The fact that the crowd looks like its all a bunch of women (while great to see) is depressing for football.

Bad take, dude. You missed the mark on multiple levels there.
 
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This is the one aspect of college football that I hate. People can't just go to the game for football. They have to have something else going on besides the game to entertain them. The fact that the crowd looks like its all a bunch of women (while great to see) is depressing for football.

You are, without question, the dumbest poster I have seen in 16 years of posting and reading these boards. And with numbnuts, dipshits and straight up fools on here that's saying something. Sarge? Yeah, I have absolutely no doubt you're an ex-sergeant with your cement-headed, regimented "back in myyyyyyy day" mentality. Hey, ya ever think maybe the bonfire would be a good place to meet people to drink with and hook up with after?
 
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