Pitt vs Wake Gamethread

[Pittx9]

If you really think that I can only surmise that you don't actually watch basketball. Because anyone who actually watches the game would know that that statement is dumb.

Getting passed the missed free throw, which was awful but happens. If someone simply attempted to box the guy out we win the game. He literally didn’t even have to stop him from getting the rebound. Just trying would’ve affected wake’s player enough that the clock hits 0.

The only way Pitt loses that game after the kid chucks up a shot that was clearly not going in was if there was no Pitt defender anywhere in sight.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

You keep ignoring the fact that the OTHER TEAM is *ALSO* a bad team.

And somewhere a poster named "WakeForest4Life" is saying that Wake should've lost.

What does that mean?

Wake made shots to win.
We lost be not doing that.
The home bad team escaped by beating the road bad team .

Welcome back to the beginning

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Getting passed the missed free throw, which was awful but happens. If someone simply attempted to box the guy out we win the game. He literally didn’t even have to stop him from getting the rebound. Just trying would’ve affected wake’s player enough that the clock hits 0.

The only way Pitt loses that game after the kid chucks up a shot that was clearly not going in was if there was no Pitt defender anywhere in sight.

So then you are saying that it wasn't actually 100 out of 100 for the worst team of all time?

 

[UPitt '89]

What does that mean?

Wake made shots to win.
We lost be not doing that.
The home bad team escaped by beating the road bad team .

Welcome back to the beginning

Both teams shot 42%... and both were 38% from three.

Wake didn't win because of the old canard "they made shots and we didn't". Both teams were equal at "making shots" in their offensive flow.

Wake outrebounded Pitt... but Pitt forced more TOs ... so those things equaled out.


The reason for the loss was the very UNLUCKY event of a 85% FT shooter missing a FT with the game on the line.

Pitt is bad... but XJ is *NOT*... and he is a GREAT FT shooter. Him missing the FT is the functional equivalent of an NFL kicker missing a 25-yard FG in a dome.

Pitt didn't lose because they are a worse team than Wake. Because Pitt is *NOT* a worse team than Wake.

This was a *BLOWN* game.

9 of Pitt's 11 losses are because they are a bad team. Tonight was one of the two losses that was NOT because they are a bad team.

 

[Pittx9]

So then you are saying that it wasn't actually 100 out of 100 for the worst team of all time?

Well, I’m saying it’s really, really bad when a guy catches a desperation heave and lays it in while there is a defender standing at the free throw line with no idea what he’s even doing. There’s no way that should ever happen, but it did.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

There’s no way that should ever happen, but it did.

There's no way that should ever happen, and yet it does. Because basketball games are played by humans and not robots.

 

[H2P 2003]

There's no way that should ever happen, and yet it does. Because basketball games are played by humans and not robots.

It happened in a national title game? Why would it not happen here?

I don’t get the logic, and also the fact that while there should be someone there to box out, when someone misses that bad it makes it harder to defend in reality.

 

[UPitt '89]

There's no way that should ever happen, and yet it does. Because basketball games are played by humans and not robots.

As a Pitt fan, I have to ask... how come our "humans" always make the mistake to cost a winnable game and the other bad teams' "humans" make the shot?

It's an existential question... and rhetorical... I don't expect you to answer. ;-)

 

[H2P 2003]

As a Pitt fan, I have to ask... how come our "humans" always make the mistake to cost a winnable game and the other bad teams' "humans" make the shot?

It's an existential question... and rhetorical... I don't expect you to answer. ;-)

You talked about unlucky...if that ball hits the front iron, backboard, anywhere on the hoop the game is over.

 

[DiehardPanther]

Why exactly was Kene boxing out Ellison from behind on the last shot by WF? I mean...come on. WTF are you doing?

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Both teams shot 42%... and both were 38% from three.

Wake didn't win because of the old canard "they made shots and we didn't". Both teams were equal at "making shots" in their offensive flow.

Wake outrebounded Pitt... but Pitt forced more TOs ... so those things equaled out.


The reason for the loss was the very UNLUCKY event of a 85% FT shooter missing a FT with the game on the line.

Pitt is bad... but XJ is *NOT*... and he is a GREAT FT shooter. Him missing the FT is the functional equivalent of an NFL kicker missing a 25-yard FG in a dome.

Pitt didn't lose because they are a worse team than Wake. Because Pitt is *NOT* a worse team than Wake.

This was a *BLOWN* game.

9 of Pitt's 11 losses are because they are a bad team. Tonight was one of the two losses that was NOT because they are a bad team.

What the hell are you even arguing?
The made 3 by wake won the game in ot
The putback layup forced overtime

Wake made plays to win
Pitt didn’t

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

There's no way that should ever happen, and yet it does. Because basketball games are played by humans and not robots.

In the history of basketball, how many times has that play happened? 10 maybe?

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Why exactly was Kene boxing out Ellison from behind on the last shot by WF? I mean...come on. WTF are you doing?

I’ll have to rewatch -
But it’s a bit comical to claim kene was boxing out Ellison from behind-
When a bit of common sense would say Ellison was boxing out kene -

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

Oh well, at least we have National Signing Day for football tomorrow. It will be fun to see thst kid from Aliquippa, a once proud Pitt feeder school pick Kentucky after they offered him a scholarship like yesterday while Narduzzi has known him since he was a freshman. Cant pass that up, I'll tell you.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

In the history of basketball, how many times has that play happened? 10 maybe?

What, an offense player rebounds an air ball and scores a basket? That happens all the time. Hell, it was a running joke the John DeGroat was the best airball rebounder in college basketball because he did that a half dozen times in one season on his own.

 

[BFo8]

Yes.... so when two even teams are playing.... and one team has a 2-point lead with 17 seconds to go and their best FT shooter at the line.... ESPN's gametracker had Pitt at an 84.2% chance to win the game at that point.

They should've won.

When XJ stepped to the line with 17 seconds left, Pitt only had a 16% chance to lose.

But they lost.

They should've won.

Don’t go by those ESPN game tracker numbers, sometimes they are laughably off. This time not so much, but I’ve seen others that are ridiculously bad.

And Pitt was actually as high as a 3.5 favorite in some spots.

 

[Pittx9]

It happened in a national title game? Why would it not happen here?

I don’t get the logic, and also the fact that while there should be someone there to box out, when someone misses that bad it makes it harder to defend in reality.

That was fairly different. In the NC State-Houston game, Olajuwon was in front of the basket and could’ve easily grabbed the rebound but he panicked (according to him he was afraid of being called for goaltending.) Tonight Chukwuka was just standing at the free throw line doing nothing.

 

[DiehardPanther]

I’ll have to rewatch -
But it’s a bit comical to claim kene was boxing out Ellison from behind-
When a bit of common sense would say Ellison was boxing out kene -

Hyperbole, but Ellison was boxing out his man. Kene is standing behind Ellison. Nobody was even close to the guy from Wake. Even if the ball hit off the glass or rim on that side the WF kid would have had an easy put back.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

What, an offense player rebounds an air ball and scores a basket? That happens all the time. Hell, it was a running joke the John DeGroat was the best airball rebounder in college basketball because he did that a half dozen times in one season on his own.

To win/tie a game at the buzzer.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

To win/tie a game at the buzzer.

If you make the situation specific enough then yeah, that hardly ever happens.

Tonight Xavier Johnson made a layup, got fouled and made the foul shot exactly one minute and six seconds into the game. When was the last time you saw a guy do exactly that at exactly that point in the game? That probably doesn't happen more than once or twice a season, if that.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

Hyperbole, but Ellison was boxing out his man. Kene is standing behind Ellison. Nobody was even close to the guy from Wake. Even if the ball hit off the glass or rim on that side the WF kid would have had an easy put back.

Actually just rewatched
Kene just was floating in the paint-
Which is honestly bad but we were in a zone
Truthfully-
The culprit was Frame taking himself way out of position going for the steal-

It’s his spot which was vacated to give no resistance in the backside

I can’t believe I just rewatched that again in slow motion

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

Even if the ball hit off the glass or rim on that side the WF kid would have had an easy put back.

Actually he almost certainly wouldn't have, because he was right under the basket and shots from that far away that hit the rim or the glass almost never drop straight down like that.

 

[CAPitt]

Just wanted to know what the consequences were if I didn’t mind my own business. Always find statements like yours wildly amusing. But you keep on keepin on.

You're the idiot that asked a literal reply to an objective statement, get back to me kid when you can figure out what it is you want say.

 

[thebadby2]

Very disappointing loss mostly for the fact that Wake is horrible and may not win another game all year.

Pitt just isn’t good enough right now and this is the time of year where you often start to see the freshmen wearing down a little. I think they win one more game, possibly two but that’s about it.

I don’t think next year will be all that much better unless there is a talent infusion. The young guys should get a little better, but that’s not going to be enough if this team has hopes of an NIT berth or more.

The disappointment to me was not in losing to a bad team, but in failing to win the game when the win was right there on a silver platter at the end. 82% foul shooter just has to make that one in the clutch.

X did a lot of great things to put the team in position to win-but he didn’t finish. You have to finish.

 

[DiehardPanther]

Actually he almost certainly wouldn't have, because he was right under the basket and shots from that far away that hit the rim or the glass almost never drop straight down like that.

What is rule #1 for a front court player when an outside shot goes up?

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

You're the idiot that asked a literal reply to an objective statement, get back to me kid when you can figure out what it is you want say.

No dopey. You told someone don’t start a bad attitude with you. While I agree it wasn’t my business I asked or what. Cause statements like that are amusing to me. Telling others what to do as if you can do anything about it. You then told me to mind my own business which is fair. But I asked again - or what.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

What is rule #1 for a front court player when an outside shot goes up?

Find the ball.

 

[CAPitt]

No dopey. You told someone don’t start a bad attitude with you. While I agree it wasn’t my business I asked or what. Cause statements like that are amusing to me. Telling others what to do as if you can do anything about it. You then told me to mind my own business which is fair. But I asked again - or what.

I treat game threads differently, they are instant reactions to stuff going on in game, and the associated comments aren't law binding into eternity. If you want to stitch me up over something then go ahead I don't really care. I'm a supporter and want to see the Panthers win. When I said it was terrible, I was referencing the sequence of events, not that the team was terrible. I love what is going on this year and I hope capel can bring in what is needed to address the soft spots

 

[DiehardPanther]

Find the ball.

https://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/fundamentals/rebounding-fundamentals-and-tips.html

Let me help you out with the basics to rebounding.

 

[King Of All Message Boards]

I treat game threads differently, they are instant reactions to stuff going on in game, and the associated comments aren't law binding into eternity. If you want to stitch me up over something then go ahead I don't really care. I'm a supporter and want to see the Panthers win. When I said it was terrible, I was referencing the sequence of events, not that the team was terrible. I love what is going on this year and I hope capel can bring in what is needed to address the soft spots

Fair enough - we’ll call it good regardless. But I think maybe you’re confusing me with someone else. I never responded to you other than my “or whats”. I didn’t even post until way late in the game.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

https://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/fundamentals/rebounding-fundamentals-and-tips.html

Let me help you out with the basics to rebounding.

That's funny, you trying to help someone out with the basics of the game.

 

[DiehardPanther]

That's funny, you trying to help someone out with the basics of the game.

You apparently don’t know the basics if you think watching the ball is the first thing you are supposed to do when rebounding.

Kene f’ed up. He needed to put a body and box out his man.

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

You apparently don’t know the basics if you think watching the ball is the first thing you are supposed to do when rebounding.

I didn't say "watch the ball", I said "find the ball". Interesting that you don't understand the difference.

 

[DiehardPanther]

I didn't say "watch the ball", I said "find the ball". Interesting that you don't understand the difference.

You find your man, put a body on him, and box him out. There is no coach out there that tells their player to stand aimlessly under the basket and find the ball.

 

[gary2]

I didn't say "watch the ball", I said "find the ball". Interesting that you don't understand the difference.

Off the topic, but I thought I would ask while you are still up:
I can't believe that all these teams that don't shoot well from three all get a really lucky day against us. Is it something we are doing that results in teams hitting shots against us that they normally don't make?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

You find your man, put a body on him, and box him out. There is no coach out there that tells their player to stand aimlessly under the basket and find the ball.

The fact that you have to convert what I said to "stand aimlessly under the basket" to try to make your point shows the strength of you point. Or lack thereof.

Here's the thing. They just showed the play again on the 11:00 news. Chukwuka did EXACTLY what you said he should. He went towards the nearest Wake player and attempted to box him out. Since he was paying no attention to where the ball actually was going, he did a perfect job of making sure that he was no where near where the play actually happened. It doesn't do you any good to box out a guy that is no where near where the ball is while leaving the guy who is where the ball is all by himself.

Congratulations, you won the box out battle. The other team won the game. Remind us all, which one of those is more important?

 

[Joe the Panther Fan]

I can't believe that all these teams that don't shoot well from three all get a really lucky day against us. Is it something we are doing that results in teams hitting shots against us that they normally don't make?

In point of fact, teams do not tend to have great shooting days from three against us. Our opponents are make 30.7% of their threes. The D1 average this season so far is 34.2%. We are actually 34th in the country in three point percentage defense.

 

[gary2]

In point of fact, teams do not tend to have great shooting days from three against us. Our opponents are make 30.7% of their threes. The D1 average this season so far is 34.2%. We are actually 34th in the country in three point percentage defense.

Again trusting memory (know that is dangerous) I thought all 3 of our last opponents were cold from three immediately before playing us. I thought I even had that reinforced by comments from the board.

I guess there is no way of knowing if an increased reliance on zone defense has the percentages for the year regressing?

We have given up 30 of 73 for about 41% in our last 3 games.

 

[SoufOaklin4Life]

You find your man, put a body on him, and box him out. There is no coach out there that tells their player to stand aimlessly under the basket and find the ball.

We were in a zone/
He didn’t have a man.

 

[Sean Miller Fan]

If you make the situation specific enough then yeah, that hardly ever happens.

Tonight Xavier Johnson made a layup, got fouled and made the foul shot exactly one minute and six seconds into the game. When was the last time you saw a guy do exactly that at exactly that point in the game? That probably doesn't happen more than once or twice a season, if that.

You know what I am saying. There have been millions of basketball games played. Probably tens of thousands have ended on an airball'd 3 point shot. Having said that, there have maybe only been 2 where a an airball alleyoop tied or won a game at the buzzer. The reason for that is its nearly impossible to convert a play like that. Everything has to go wrong on D and it did.