Yeah well you're having nit wit glasses on. Nashville hates franklin and Vanderbilt was disgraced by him then he runs away and leaves them to clean up his mess and takes recruits.
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Franklin has had the benefit of a 5 star QB for two years. Had limited success with that talent. Not good. Now a new QB and DL with a below the line OL. PSU has a very good class and had a nice class last year.
Expectations are that they will close the gap on the programs that PSU has to beat. Pitt will beat the nits next year all things being equal. Then Temple at home and a couple of non cupcake games next. Early schedule is tougher. By 2017 the schedule gets appreciably tougher and even with the talent upgrade, coaching, development and experience it will be a tough year. Nits beat 6 bad teams this year. Beat Indiana with out the starting QB and star RB. Think PItt beats Duke that bad if the starter plays? They won 7 games with every single break going their way.
Expectations are that they will close the gap on the programs that PSU has to beat. Pitt will beat the nits next year all things being equal. Then Temple at home and a couple of non cupcake games next. Early schedule is tougher. By 2017 the schedule gets appreciably tougher and even with the talent upgrade, coaching, development and experience it will be a tough year. Nits beat 6 bad teams this year. Beat Indiana with out the starting QB and star RB. Think PItt beats Duke that bad if the starter plays? They won 7 games with every single break going their way.
Nashville Lion & All PSU Lair Posters:
In my opinion, I have read your Posts and they are reasonable and talk Football on the Lair, and of course will have some Banter on BWI like I do on the Lair at times when defending Pitt at times, and I know and see the difference. Here is how I see it, to be fair and all can agree to disagree:
1. New Regime At Pitt:
Some Pitt Fans and Posters have heard for years how Pitt Fans do not support the Program and Attendance is seen in Yellow Outs as I tell my PSU Friends. I have been on Bus Trips Bowls from Altoona and some other PSU Bowls like Rose in 1994. PSU Fans usually travel well and in the Pre-Big Ten Days often sold out all Stadiums when Independents ruled the East! It is my opinion, Pitt Fans are giving back some Banter as the New Pitt Regime minus Pederson's is pointing out Pitt has sold its Bowl Game out and giving it back to WVU and PSU Fans a tad? I still recall when way back in 1973 when Pitt went to a New Fiesta Bowl Game in Arizona that was not seen in years, and see the similar excitement about the revived Program under Gallagher, Narduzzi, and Barnes and just like Posvar, Majors, and Myslinsky! So, it is more Banter Payback than anything personal.
2. Franklin Vanderbilt Years:
In addition, Franklin was designated to become the Maryland Head Coach but decided not to wait, and was considered a dynamic young upcoming coach way back and took the Vandy Job and did great at Vandy that calls their Athletic Scholarships, Academic Scholarships like they do at Ivy Schools! I thought he did a great job there too, but to be fair, a few Pitt Fans did analyze his wins have a point on them. And Franklin's recruiting at Vandy was vastly improved as we all know by his last years. I thought he would do very good at PSU in recruiting and coaching, but some on the Lair pointed out to me, Franklin is not a good Game Day Coach, and so far they are more right and I was wrong. I am told and read Franklin needs some more time and has a Plan. But in all reality, Franklin Challenge is matching Dantonio, Harbaugh, and Meyer Coaching and recruiting too and that is a tall task for any coach anywhere? So far, the Pitt Posters that had doubts on Franklin have been proven more right as I see it too, with no offense being wrong?
3. Penn State Football Program:
Few Universities can match the Revenues and Resources of Penn State and Pitt is always at a disadvantage and usually out recruits Pitt, most Big Ten Schools and other Programs almost every year. Yet, few Penn state Fans recognize and disrespect Pitt players that have done far more better in NCAA & NFL Records and Awards even under the Paterno Era than Penn State Program? Moreover, many PSU Posters just outright attack Pitt and other Programs with ignorance and arrogance that is based on many lies about the other Schools, Teams, and Programs! So, this often causes the Payback Banter and well deserved by the way towards those type of PSU Posters Fans that really end up embarrassing PSU. (Not Including You And Others On The Lair That Talk Honest Views On CFB). As stated can always agree to disagree with respect and recognition of best of both Programs Toady and History!
Just explaining why some Pitt Posters including me go off sometimes with Banter as well as others giving back what happens on BWI, but still respect PSU Posters that talk Football and show respect towards other Programs!
Actually, both Programs have rich History that all can be proud of, but need to get back to Top 25 Status!
BTW, I know many PSU Grads, Fans and Higher Up Employees and they are some of the finest People I ever met and enjoy talking to them and dating a few in my time. Almost married one way back in 1982!
I also visit Nashville often and have a place to stay there anytime with a dear friend that has Farm near Lorrie Morgan's Home and just been invited to there for January-February. Have you been to the Hermitage or Grand Old Opry and any other advice on any other sights to see that few know about unlike above?
I also love to stop in Louisville for a Hot Brown Sandwich and Patton Tank Museum next to Fort Knox and Stephen Foster National Park in the summer.
I often take people that visit Pittsburgh to Friendship Hill Home of Albert Gallantin and Frank Lloyd Wright and Nemacolin Woodland areas as well as Shadyside and Pitt and Mount Washington! And I make sure they get a Turkey Devonshire Sandwich that was invented in Pittsburgh, at the The Stratford Club now served at The Union Grill!
Nice Posting by you too and Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year!
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Honest question: do you think Franklin has brought "energy and fun" to Happy Valley?
Good posts and accurate in many respects. It is fair to say Franklin's challenge at Penn State is far harder and expectations so much higher than anything accomplished at Vandy for just 3 years, where he poached their recruits as well after leaving?
The way I see it, Franklin has brought this on himself with his Self Bravado and is realizing he is being paid 8 times what Penn State paid Paterno as Head Coach and his Game Day Coaching is not all due to Sanctions, that O'Brien was able to deal with not as many problems!
Franklin needs to make the adjustment more than his staff as well, in my opinion. He is a CEO Coach but does not coach up his Players. He thinks just recruiting will make it happen sooner or later at Penn State? Ain't going to happen or far harder to do, when coaching, recruiting, and playing against Michigan, OSU, MSU? In my opinion, and Franklin has to show it not talk it with a Plan....and that is not my Demand but PSU's Administration, Alumni and Fans Demands?
Ok, Franklin has gotten the Recruits he bragged about, and replaced his OC, and he is a very nice and dynamic man, but he looks lost and confused on Game Day and how does Pitt fans know???? We have seen it first hand a few more times than Penn State Fans did, and Penn State are as well as WVU fans have seen it too with 3 to 5 new coaches the last 5 years too!!!
Franklin is on a Hot Seat and has more Starters coming back in 2016 than MSU, Michigan and OSU, Temple and Pitt too? So, why wait until 2017 if he is so good?
Guess that is why you guys are paying the big bucks for his services...LOL. It is still premature to cast final judgment on either coach...but if I were putting money on it, I would put it all over Narduzzi having a far better coaching career at Pitt than Franklin at PSU. Hail to Pitt!
Of course every Vandy girl is going to say they like jimmy. Jimmy hires his assistants ONLY after checking our their WAG so if they say they don’t like him they are saying they are not very attractive girl. You see what I did here? Merry Christmas!
The only " energy" he Franklin has added is to force the Nitter sports communications staff to scramble around Saturday afternoon and night trying to explain the trainwreck that just took place on the football field on Saturday afternoon!
In addition to explaining how a top 10 freshman QB ends up ranked in the hundreds after two seasons with the talking coach?
Hackenberg has enough experience with grass to be a True Green representative if football doesn't work out. He's experienced grass close-up from every angle possible.
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PSU has now sold 3,022 tickets to its bowl game.
Hopefully, that fact and PSU's 3-11 record over Ohio State in the last 14 years will allow cooler heads to prevail.
Hopefully, that fact and PSU's 3-11 record over Ohio State in the last 14 years will allow cooler heads to prevail.
PITT has outsold UPS and WV
BTW : Pro Bowlers:
PITT - 4
UPS - 2
WVU- 0
BTW : Pro Bowlers:
PITT - 4
UPS - 2
WVU- 0
You married into the Vanderbilt family too late...they squandered their fortune.
You can see a genuine white-out any time that you walk the streets of State College, PA.
I do think JF was a good hire....at the time. I, like many others, was disappointed to see Bill O Brien leave...BOB was the right guy at the right time. I don't hold ill feelings to BOB for taking what he thought was a better job...and if it were not for me being a Titans season ticket holder, I would root for BOB at Houston. A dream job to one man may not be to another. I think BOB always was better suited for the NFL.
With that said, I think JF was a good hire. He walked into a pretty tough situation when others would not even consider that job. I think PSU fans have to be patient. He walked into a pretty bare cupboard....no offensive line and much lower numbers. Some may say that is an excuse but it is also reality.
I personally liked JF at Vanderbilt and liked the hire by PSU. So many of my Vandy buddies are still sore over it...and rightfully so. In life, we never want to feel like we are second fiddle...kind of like getting dumped. I get their anger and so I don't push their buttons. And besides I like Vanderbilt.
If JF is still only winning 6 or 7 games in 2-3 years then I will reconsider whether he is the right man for the job. For now, I totally support him and think he is doing as well as can be expected.
Hey Captain Sidney....hope you enjoy your visits to Nashville...one of the best cities in America...and getting better all the time. Let me know if you ever need good recommendations on restaurants.
I get that you support him - but you dodged my question. In the 2 years he has been there, do you think Franklin has brought energy and fun to Happy Valley?
I ask the question because it was the poster himself who said he brought energy and fun to Vandy. How is that silly to see if he thinks the same dynamic applies to this coach at Happy Valley? And I am sooooooo over all the woe is me, poor PSU, the sanctions responses. He is making $4 freaking million dollars a year. I'd sure like to have a "career killer" job like that. And he has PSU more visible than when they won the NC or had 10 win seasons under Paterno? Give me a break.
Favorite response from any PSU fan when questioning their program or coach - but, but, but _________ (fill in the blank).
Well, yes I do think he brought energy....but to be fair I don't live in State College and have not since I was a student. I could see the dramatic changes JF made in Nashville with my own eyes on a daily and weekly basis. He actually made Vanderbilt relevant....so I was not trying to dodge the question but it is hard to compare Vandy and PSU football.
With his recent recruiting classes, I think JF has done a great job. When you compare the energy level to both Obrien and Joe Paterno in his last years, there is no comparison. So, yes absolutely I think he has brought fun and energy to Happy Valley.
With his recent recruiting classes, I think JF has done a great job. When you compare the energy level to both Obrien and Joe Paterno in his last years, there is no comparison. So, yes absolutely I think he has brought fun and energy to Happy Valley.
And yes, I think we would all like $4 million jobs...but in the real world, CEO's are hired to turn companies around and those don't happen overnight. JF is taking the steps necessary to turn things around.
If you think sanctions don't impact a program, you are just not in reality. Ask Miami. Ask Southern Cal. And yes ask Penn State....sanctions are a punishment and yes they do impact any program. Say it is an excuse but it is reality.
Then that means many schools should be able to take a pass for any type of undue stress to their program, right? I mean, it doesn't just have to be sanctions, right?
Pitt-girl...not sure what you are getting at...I can sense some animosity and I am not sure where that is coming from. I come here in peace to talk football and have been respectful. Football programs have success and struggle for a variety of reasons...and I will admit that readily. It can be sanctions, lack of history and tradition, lack of facilities, instability in coaching, bad luck, etc. It can be misses in recruiting, being located in undesirable places, and I guess the list could go on and on.
Right now, PSU is struggling due to the sanctions. That is my honest to God assessment of our program. I think the future looks pretty good and I feel confident in a few years we will be in a better place. I have never been a fan who had unrealistic expectations...that just sets someone up for disappointment. Would I love to be alabama in football?? Who wouldn't? But that is not realistic. 9-3 seasons or 10-2 and a good bowl game and I would be thrilled. But with the state of program due to sanctions, I can live with Tax Slayer Bowl. I think we let 2 wins sneak away....we blew a second half lead against Temple and had NW on the ropes and gave up a field goal in under a minute. with those wins, we are I think 9-3 rather than 7-5 and the season feels totally different. But we lost...so we live with 7-5.
I for one don't define my life by PSU success. Sports are an outlet...nothing more. I wish everyone a Merry Christmas.
Right now, PSU is struggling due to the sanctions. That is my honest to God assessment of our program. I think the future looks pretty good and I feel confident in a few years we will be in a better place. I have never been a fan who had unrealistic expectations...that just sets someone up for disappointment. Would I love to be alabama in football?? Who wouldn't? But that is not realistic. 9-3 seasons or 10-2 and a good bowl game and I would be thrilled. But with the state of program due to sanctions, I can live with Tax Slayer Bowl. I think we let 2 wins sneak away....we blew a second half lead against Temple and had NW on the ropes and gave up a field goal in under a minute. with those wins, we are I think 9-3 rather than 7-5 and the season feels totally different. But we lost...so we live with 7-5.
I for one don't define my life by PSU success. Sports are an outlet...nothing more. I wish everyone a Merry Christmas.
LOL - perhaps you should reread this thread. You're seriously calling ME out for some animosity? And I pretty clearly laid out my feelings regarding all the excuses from PSU. So no subterfuge here or any attacks. And I agree that no one should define their life by a sports team success or lack thereof.
PSU is NOT struggling primarily due to it's sanctions. Do you realize that in most cases the kids that were "lost" for a couple of years most likely would have been subject to redshirt. It is the biggest lie of them all that PSUs 7-5 record is due to "sanctions".. It kind of has become the "thing to say"..I will say it AGAIN.... The sanctions did not affect many players that would have made an impact over the last couple of years.. maybe depth, a little bit... but Pitt and most schools redshirt 10+ players EVERY year--- so there goes that theory..
Urban grub in 12 south yum
And dionlewis28. .. why man. At least I posted on bWI as JokePa until I was banned after like 3 messages (none bad)
And dionlewis28. .. why man. At least I posted on bWI as JokePa until I was banned after like 3 messages (none bad)
Can someone please produce real numbers with the sanctions? Data?... Otherwise Im going to have to assume that it's an excuse designed to hide the fact they have no idea what in the hell they are doing in that program...because to be honest that's exactly what it looks like anytime I watch...
You're on the money!
I read an article which supported your post!
The gist of the article was most if not all of the PSU impact players and impact recruits stayed with PSU. They did lose some players that would have redshirted Other programs that had coaching changes lost more impact, other players, and key recruits than PSU did due to sanctions.
If people are unhappy with the PSU record look to the impact of coaching change which they didn't have for 60 or so years!
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It has nothing to do with red shirting players. It has to do with the scholarship reductions occurred in 2011, 2012, and 2013. Those are your current Redshirt Seniors, Seniors, and Juniors. Those kids committed to Penn State knowing they'd never play in a bowl game. Most were lower rates recruits outside of Hackenberg and Adam Breneman. Kicking, punting, and Oline have been major issues that have cost them close games. I'm not saying scholarships is Penn States only problem, but to act like they are not a problem is just not understanding the situation. I think Penn State would be a much better program with Dorian Johnson, JP Holtz, Ryan Switzer, and WillFuller. Those are a few of the kids they had committed or On the verge and that's just a sample. By the way, I graduated from Pitt with a degree in Engineering in 1997. I just can be rational about this conversation. I realize as a Pitt fan it looks better if you say the sanctions have nothing to do with Penn State's record, but I can point at Alabama and USC(two teams that are exponentially better than penn state) who have struggled during theirs
What a bunch of bs. Pitt had a handful of kids remaining that should.be rs seniors, srs, and jrs right now. They also had poorly rated classes, probably worse than the 40s. Yet with a GOOD coach, they outperformed. If the only way Slippin Jimmy is going to prove himself is when he gets a team full.of 4 and 5 stars, then PSU is in trouble. Not only will they never recruit better than tOSU and Michigan EVERY year, but they also need ALL of those guys to pan out...which never happens.
Sanctions excuse is BS...so is the dion lewis handle nitter....you are far too defensive to be believed on face value.....nuff said Marvel fans....
That's where you're wrong - perception IS reality. Pitt is perceived as over-performing. PSU is the exact opposite. You may not like that or may disagree as a PSU fan, but nationally, it is what it is. Pitt had the offensive and defensive ACC rookie of the year. They were picked to finish 9th in the ACC. They won every game on the road and played most games as the underdog, including the upcoming bowl game. They lost the ACC POY in the second half of the first game and his #1 backup before the season even began. In almost every metric, Pitt Outperformed. Perception is reality and is not a friend of the PSU program right now.
http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/83965/acc-fall-camp-power-rankings
Annnnnd you ran to defend that as well.....
There is no irrationality involved in suggesting how bad psu is...especialli given their schedule which was a joke keeping them in Pa almost till Xmas.....no progress...plenty of hot air and empty seats....its bad. very. bad.......sure will be interesting to see them play yet another team with no coaching staff...
Annnnnd you ran to defend that as well.....
There is no irrationality involved in suggesting how bad psu is...especialli given their schedule which was a joke keeping them in Pa almost till Xmas.....no progress...plenty of hot air and empty seats....its bad. very. bad.......sure will be interesting to see them play yet another team with no coaching staff...
At this point, I'm defending myself. I'm a college football fan. I watch a ton of games and have opinions about a lot of teams. I'll discuss West Virginia, Virginia tech, Duke, etc rationally without a slant.
