At this point, I'd love for you to take this discussion to the pay board for all the "rational" responses that you seek.
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Annnnd there it is folks......nit nit nitter alert.....
Nits...you suck....ok?.....no amount of stupid handles that fool none changes that.
Go Dawgs!!!!!
"Dionlewis28".....LOL....go hit the dawg board loser......
Polish the paterno statue.......holy hell already....
Polish the paterno statue.......holy hell already....
Pitt has three wins that are clearly better than ANY win PSU has this year. Duke, VT, and Louisville.
What is PSU's best win? Indiana? SD State?
Every service that measures such things has Pitt's schedule rated as SIGNIFICANTLY tougher than PSU's this year. Here's two:
Sagarin:
Pitt's SOS: 26
PSU's SOS: 53
Teamrankings.com:
Pitt's SOS: 19
PSU's SOS: 48
When you say PSU lost to five "ranked teams"... that is meaningless. AP and Coaches poll rankings are subjective decisions by human beings, and therefore seriously flawed. I maintain, and rating services agree, that Pitt is better than Temple on a neutral field - but Temple is "ranked".
If you're going to use the term "ranked", then it should be an OBJECTIVE ranking based on advanced metrics. Let's use teamrankings.com, for instance.
Here's the rankings on Pitt's schedule:
Losses:
Notre Dame: 9
UNC: 11
Iowa: 28
Miami: 49
Wins:
Ga Tech: 37
Va Tech: 38
Louisville: 45
Duke: 52
UVa: 77
Syracuse: 80
Akron: 89
YSU: NR
Here's the rankings on PSU's schedule:
Losses:
Ohio St: 3
Michigan St: 13
Michigan: 15
Temple: 48
Northwestern: 56
Wins:
San Diego St: 58
Indiana: 71
Illinois: 72
Maryland: 85
Rutgers: 93
Buffalo: 98
Army: 107
So Pitt had *FOUR* wins better than PSU's best win.
Here's another way to look at it. According to teamrankings.com, Pitt is #42 and PSU is #54. That means Pitt would've been the 4th-best team on PSU's schedule. PSU would've been the 9th-best team on Pitt's schedule.
Pitt had a better record, against a tougher schedule, and is higher ranked.
AND: Pitt won 5 road games. PSU won *ZERO* road games and one neutral site game (by 1 over 3-9 Maryland). A true test of a team is how well they can play away from the friendly confines of their home stadium and in front of a hostile crowd. PSU was 0-4 in such circumstances. Pitt was 5-1.
Game, Set, Match.
dionlewis28: You use the same language and arguments, almost word for word, as mikemauti42. You're not fooling anyone here, Mike.
What is PSU's best win? Indiana? SD State?
Every service that measures such things has Pitt's schedule rated as SIGNIFICANTLY tougher than PSU's this year. Here's two:
Sagarin:
Pitt's SOS: 26
PSU's SOS: 53
Teamrankings.com:
Pitt's SOS: 19
PSU's SOS: 48
When you say PSU lost to five "ranked teams"... that is meaningless. AP and Coaches poll rankings are subjective decisions by human beings, and therefore seriously flawed. I maintain, and rating services agree, that Pitt is better than Temple on a neutral field - but Temple is "ranked".
If you're going to use the term "ranked", then it should be an OBJECTIVE ranking based on advanced metrics. Let's use teamrankings.com, for instance.
Here's the rankings on Pitt's schedule:
Losses:
Notre Dame: 9
UNC: 11
Iowa: 28
Miami: 49
Wins:
Ga Tech: 37
Va Tech: 38
Louisville: 45
Duke: 52
UVa: 77
Syracuse: 80
Akron: 89
YSU: NR
Here's the rankings on PSU's schedule:
Losses:
Ohio St: 3
Michigan St: 13
Michigan: 15
Temple: 48
Northwestern: 56
Wins:
San Diego St: 58
Indiana: 71
Illinois: 72
Maryland: 85
Rutgers: 93
Buffalo: 98
Army: 107
So Pitt had *FOUR* wins better than PSU's best win.
Here's another way to look at it. According to teamrankings.com, Pitt is #42 and PSU is #54. That means Pitt would've been the 4th-best team on PSU's schedule. PSU would've been the 9th-best team on Pitt's schedule.
Pitt had a better record, against a tougher schedule, and is higher ranked.
AND: Pitt won 5 road games. PSU won *ZERO* road games and one neutral site game (by 1 over 3-9 Maryland). A true test of a team is how well they can play away from the friendly confines of their home stadium and in front of a hostile crowd. PSU was 0-4 in such circumstances. Pitt was 5-1.
Game, Set, Match.
dionlewis28: You use the same language and arguments, almost word for word, as mikemauti42. You're not fooling anyone here, Mike.
If MSU and OSU played that game 10 times, OSU would win 6 or 7. Upsets happen. That's why they're called upsets.
Is Texas a better team than Oklahoma?
Is Nebraska a better team than Michigan State?
As for Georgia Tech.... they played the #17 schedule in the country. They played *FOUR* Top 11 teams... Clemson, Notre Dame, North Carolina, and FSU.
With their schedule, PSU would've been 3-9 or worse also. With PSU's schedule, GT would've won at least 7 games, and probably 8 or 9.
GT would be favored on a neutral field against PSU today.
And yes, Northwestern at 56 is pretty accurate. They played in the weakest division in P5 - the Big Ten West. They got to avoid the "big three" of the Big Ten East. They did have a home win over Stanford, I'll give them that. Upsets happen.
Sure, you're done. Mike, the bottom line is this.... Pitt would've been the 4th or 5th hardest game on PSU's schedule this year. PSU would've been the 8th or 9th hardest game on Pitt's schedule this year.
Your Lions, mikemauti42, were nowhere near as good as Pitt this year.
Is Nebraska better than MSU since they beat them?
Is Texas better than Oklahoma since they beat them?
Upsets happen. That's why they're called upsets.
If OSU played MSU 10 times, OSU would win 7. They were upset on that particular day. It happens.
Again.... Pitt would've been, at worst, the 5th toughest game on PSU's schedule this year. PSU, at best, would've been the 8th toughest game on Pitt's schedule this year.
There is no comparison.
Pitt had a better record against a tougher schedule than PSU.
On a Neutral field, Pitt would be favored over PSU by 4 to 5 points.
Because they didn't win their conference. And the committee has indicated that in order for a team that doesn't win its conference to make the playoff, that team would have to be CLEARLY superior to one of the teams that DID win its conference. In the words of the committee, it would have to be indisputable.
Ohio State is only SLIGHTLY better than Michigan State.... it isn't clear cut. Michigan State winning the conference carries enormous weight that could not be overcome by Ohio State objective strength.
This means that Penn State should be ranked 57th, right?
Basically... PSU and Northwestern are just about even. One had to win. The one with the better coach did.
Yeah... you have no idea who MikeMauti42 is.
Interesting that you say the EXACT same things as him, with the exact same posting quirks and punctuation, and use exactly the same wrong logic in every argument you make. Same language tics... everything.
I know you you are.... MikeMauti42/pnnylion/pittpsu.... or whatever you want to call yourself this week.
Wrong Dion! You did not provide accurate facts. The sanctions weren't delivered until late summer 2012. The 2011 class was already at Penn State, and the 2012 class, which you also listed under the "sanctions," were not impacted at all by the sanctions. The 2012 class was decimated by Sandusky's arrest and the evidence against your athletic director and head coach. Recruits left because they didn't want to be associated with the program.
This is an important distinction, since PSU fans see the sanctions as unjustified, and therefore argue that the couple of years of weak recruiting classes were unfairly laid on them. That 2012 class was really strong when the news broke, and it evaporated, resulting in an extremely weak class on signing day. The sanctions had NOTHING to do with it.
Who has this much time to hang a
on another team's board?
Do you are a nit wit but not a paturdo sympathizer. How many variations of nit wits are there ?
on another team's board?
Do you are a nit wit but not a paturdo sympathizer. How many variations of nit wits are there ?
Jimmy trying to figure out how much time is left in the game:
LOL! He's checking the sun to figure out the time!Jimmy trying to figure out how much time is left in the game:
He's also taking lunch orders with that notepad and pen for halftime.
He'll make a run to TacoBell.
That's one job he did well. Waiter!
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A few players.. NOT THE WHOLE CLASS.. .The impact is minimal, at best, and you know it.
Since when does losing to ranked teams mean anything? Any team can say that they lost to a ranked team.
This is the same team who had some bad losses, and struggled to barely beat Army - remember?
This is the same team who had some bad losses, and struggled to barely beat Army - remember?
Pitt sold out 4 allotments in less than 1 week. I couldn't even get tickets through Pitt. I called Navy on Dec 22 to see what they had left and they still had a few thousand. I bought mine through the Military Bowl website and I suspect 5000-10,000 more Pitt fans did the same.
The Pedster hatred of their own conference never gets old. They are celebrating Duke's win over Indiana. Lots of hilarity as usual -- the Big 10 did not support our child-raping program, ESPN hates us, we would have won the national title in '94 if the Big 10 voters had supported us (even though the math proves otherwise if every Big 10 voter had voted PSU No. 1 that year).
Always amusing to see the Pedster envy at not being in the ACC and whining that the Big 10 hates them,
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/party-time-duke-over-indiana-one-down-9-to-go.74255/
Always amusing to see the Pedster envy at not being in the ACC and whining that the Big 10 hates them,
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/party-time-duke-over-indiana-one-down-9-to-go.74255/
Now let's not go overboard. He may be MikeM, but pnnylion can't string that many words together.
"Joe Pa Thetic, post: 675620, member: 4300"]The Pedster hatred of their own conference never gets old.
Very good post and spot on comments and without a doubt true about the PSU Cult Fans that do post on BWI! They are upset Big Ten has tamed the Paterno Program and use dto get outraged when Paterno lost to Michigan, Ohio State, and Iowa, and went on their boards spewing hate and how superior they are the Conference causes losses?
Yet, they always forget it was Paterno that chose the Big Ten?
They are celebrating Duke's win over Indiana. Lots of hilarity as usual -- the Big 10 did not support our child-raping program, ESPN hates us, we would have won the national title in '94 if the Big 10 voters had supported us (even though the math proves otherwise if every Big 10 voter had voted PSU No. 1 that year).
This is also true and the Big Ten did not remove their Sanctions the Bowl Ban was lifted by the NCAA and the Big Ten was not part of any settlement. They said it will be addressed later.
Always amusing to see the Pedster envy at not being in the ACC and whining that the Big 10 hates them,
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/party-time-duke-over-indiana-one-down-9-to-go.74255/
The true Penn State Fans I know that are very good people all tell me that Paterno made a mistake not joining the ACC and did not consider them.
They say the ACC Schools weer all closer to Penn state by One Day Drive except FSU & Miami, have great recruiting in the south where they took players as an Independent, and PSU Traveling Rec Vehicle Fan Base would have sold out all ACC Stadiums, when they could not do that in the Big Ten?
They also talk about Penn State would be the biggest University and Football Program in the ACC and would have won far more games?
The facts are Ohio State and Michigan are the giants of the Big Ten and Penn State has just as strong Program, but no where has won as much in NCS, Conference Championships, and Penn State is Second to Third Tier Winning level below them.
Even MSU, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Iowa have beaten PSU when PSU has the bigger Program.
But the Cult never blame Paterno and just blame the Big Ten for all Penn State sins and demise as the Lions were tamed in the Big Ten and it won't change in the future unless they find a an Elite Coach?
Meanwhile, my close friends also admit that Pitt made the better choice by going to the ACC and that rubs them at times too!
Very good post and spot on comments and without a doubt true about the PSU Cult Fans that do post on BWI! They are upset Big Ten has tamed the Paterno Program and use dto get outraged when Paterno lost to Michigan, Ohio State, and Iowa, and went on their boards spewing hate and how superior they are the Conference causes losses?
Yet, they always forget it was Paterno that chose the Big Ten?
They are celebrating Duke's win over Indiana. Lots of hilarity as usual -- the Big 10 did not support our child-raping program, ESPN hates us, we would have won the national title in '94 if the Big 10 voters had supported us (even though the math proves otherwise if every Big 10 voter had voted PSU No. 1 that year).
This is also true and the Big Ten did not remove their Sanctions the Bowl Ban was lifted by the NCAA and the Big Ten was not part of any settlement. They said it will be addressed later.
Always amusing to see the Pedster envy at not being in the ACC and whining that the Big 10 hates them,
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/party-time-duke-over-indiana-one-down-9-to-go.74255/
The true Penn State Fans I know that are very good people all tell me that Paterno made a mistake not joining the ACC and did not consider them.
They say the ACC Schools weer all closer to Penn state by One Day Drive except FSU & Miami, have great recruiting in the south where they took players as an Independent, and PSU Traveling Rec Vehicle Fan Base would have sold out all ACC Stadiums, when they could not do that in the Big Ten?
They also talk about Penn State would be the biggest University and Football Program in the ACC and would have won far more games?
The facts are Ohio State and Michigan are the giants of the Big Ten and Penn State has just as strong Program, but no where has won as much in NCS, Conference Championships, and Penn State is Second to Third Tier Winning level below them.
Even MSU, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Iowa have beaten PSU when PSU has the bigger Program.
But the Cult never blame Paterno and just blame the Big Ten for all Penn State sins and demise as the Lions were tamed in the Big Ten and it won't change in the future unless they find a an Elite Coach?
Meanwhile, my close friends also admit that Pitt made the better choice by going to the ACC and that rubs them at times too!
True .... pnnylion/marshall is an imbecile. mm42/dl28/pittpsu at least can put coherent sentences together.
Penn State's struggles the past two seasons can almost entirely be traced back to a very poor, underachieving O-line. That is a fact. that has in turn lead to poor play all over the offense. Receivers don't have time to run routes, so the offense has to simplify, limiting what a talented kid like Hack can do. When Barkley was running well, it opened up the offense more, and it showed, However, the fact of the matter is that until the O-line play improves, the offense can't improve significantly.
Now, what is up for debate is the reason why they're struggling.Is it coaching? system? not enough talent? using talent poorly?
I would say a little bit of everything. All criticisms of Franklin are warranted. And honestly you guys rail in him, but it's not like PSU fans are in love with him either. but Penn State fans are more aware than anyone else of the struggles of the current players and the current situation than anyone outside of the fan base. This isn't a situation where you can look at stars across the two deep and say they should be *this* good.
I'm confident they'll turn it around. Next year will be tough though. I think Pitt will probably end up being favored by a field goal or so next year and it'll be a great restart to the rivalry.
Now, what is up for debate is the reason why they're struggling.Is it coaching? system? not enough talent? using talent poorly?
I would say a little bit of everything. All criticisms of Franklin are warranted. And honestly you guys rail in him, but it's not like PSU fans are in love with him either. but Penn State fans are more aware than anyone else of the struggles of the current players and the current situation than anyone outside of the fan base. This isn't a situation where you can look at stars across the two deep and say they should be *this* good.
I'm confident they'll turn it around. Next year will be tough though. I think Pitt will probably end up being favored by a field goal or so next year and it'll be a great restart to the rivalry.
Hopefully DionLewis is banned now.
It is just extra disgusting to let some moron like this post here as a nitwit but under the disguise of a Pitt fan. I would seriously look at who is liking his post, and that is probably who his 'alter ego' is, and that person should also be banned??
It is just extra disgusting to let some moron like this post here as a nitwit but under the disguise of a Pitt fan. I would seriously look at who is liking his post, and that is probably who his 'alter ego' is, and that person should also be banned??
Yea, it boils my blood to hear PSU fans blame their tiny little wrist slap as some excuse. Pitt (and other schools) have had fewer players in scholarship than PSU during the wrist slap period due to transfers and lost classes because of our coaching turnover. Now, there have been some Pitt fans who have defended Chryst for inheriting such a "bad" situation but the reality is when the ball was kicked off, Pitt had more than enough talent to beat teams like YSU, Akron, UConn, Duke, etc. But we were poorly coached. Same goes for PSU.
Actually he posts on the pay board and is generally very reasonable and knowledgable. Not sure why he has to flame the fires over here under the guise of speaking the truth. It's a Pitt board populated by Pitt posters. Sometimes being unreasonable regarding other programs is okay.
I have no problem with either of them. If you can't come here to speak your mind negatively about other programs (most specifically PSU), where else can you go?
True. I was moreso talking about them speaking negatively about me. I don't care what they say about PSU.
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