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[JokePa]

geez man just give it up. You can always just go make another handle like Ironhead86 or something

And... I dont spew negativity, that is laughable. I spew positivity. You crapping on that positivity is what I dont like and call you out on.

 

[TD_6082]

Hey Captain Sidney....hope you enjoy your visits to Nashville...one of the best cities in America...and getting better all the time. Let me know if you ever need good recommendations on restaurants.

What would be some of your recommendations on restaurants in Nashville?

 

[TD_6082]

So, If Pitt just cut 10 schollys this year and next, it wouldn't matter much at all and we should still expect to win 9 to 10 games 3 & 4 years down the road? We should still be able to go out and compete against Miami, UNC, Clemson, and FSU? I don't think so.

 

[H2Pittisit]

So, If Pitt just cut 10 schollys this year and next, it wouldn't matter much at all and we should still expect to win 9 to 10 games 3 & 4 years down the road? We should still be able to go out and compete against Miami, UNC, Clemson, and FSU? I don't think so.

That is indeed what some think. Not to mention to tell those committing they won't be going to a bowl game. You think George Hill would have committed here knowing he wouldn't play in a bowl or compete for an ACC championship? Hamlin? Macvittie? Pugh? But, alas, it's pointless to make that argument as I will be called a nitter, even though I doubt most kids would commit knowing they would not play in a bowl for their career or an ACC championship.

 

[marinomd]

So, If Pitt just cut 10 schollys this year and next, it wouldn't matter much at all and we should still expect to win 9 to 10 games 3 & 4 years down the road? We should still be able to go out and compete against Miami, UNC, Clemson, and FSU? I don't think so.

How many more years does a $4 million plus a year coach get to use the sanctions excuse before he beats a team with a pulse? Does he need multiple 5 star qb's &. Rb's to make that happen? Are the multiple 4 star linemen and multiple 4 star receivers not enough to field a decent offense?? In 5 years as a coach he has one decent win, does Narduzzi get that long to do the same??

 

[TD_6082]

How many 4 star OL start for PSU? Please do tell.

Yes, I think Narduzzi should get 5 years.

JF has only been at PSU for two years, so I'm not sure what you mean. Franklin could have stayed at Vandy and coached until the rapture the way he was winning there.

 

[9nationalchampionships]

Jimmy "is your wife hot?" Franks

Just the kind of person I would want representing my school.....not

 

[marinomd]

How many 4 star OL start for PSU? Please do tell.

Yes, I think Narduzzi should get 5 years.

JF has only been at PSU for two years, so I'm not sure what you mean. Franklin could have stayed at Vandy and coached until the rapture the way he was winning there.

According to Rivals ups has 3 four star offensive linemen. In relation Pitt has the same amount of 4 stars along with a five star. Not sure I have ever seen anyone say Pitt is lacking in talent on the OL or make excuses for that unit if it failed to execute. Fact is Franklin has coached five years and has one top 25 win. If that qualifies one to coach until the rapture occurs I suggest you are setting the bar way too low.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

How many more years does a $4 million plus a year coach get to use the sanctions excuse before he beats a team with a pulse? Does he need multiple 5 star qb's &. Rb's to make that happen? Are the multiple 4 star linemen and multiple 4 star receivers not enough to field a decent offense?? In 5 years as a coach he has one decent win, does Narduzzi get that long to do the same??

More to the point, Narduzzi's Extension is longer now since Penn State has not offered one to Franklin???

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

How many 4 star OL start for PSU? Please do tell. Yes, I think Narduzzi should get 5 years. JF has only been at PSU for two years, so I'm not sure what you mean. Franklin could have stayed at Vandy and coached until the rapture the way he was winning there.

TD_6082, Any thoughts on if Franklin is so good, why hasn't he been an Extension last or this year or next year?

 

[DruidTM]

That is indeed what some think. Not to mention to tell those committing they won't be going to a bowl game. You think George Hill would have committed here knowing he wouldn't play in a bowl or compete for an ACC championship? Hamlin? Macvittie? Pugh? But, alas, it's pointless to make that argument as I will be called a nitter, even though I doubt most kids would commit knowing they would not play in a bowl for their career or an ACC championship.

What dimensional level of crazy is it to post questions and replies to yourself in order to appear as being two entirely different people...????

 

[TD_6082]

I

TD_6082, Any thoughts on if Franklin is so good, why hasn't he been an Extension last or this year or next year?

Because that place is batshit crazy. Anyone that expected PSU to be competitive with tOSU, Michigan, or MSU this year is nuts.

Perhaps they don't like his personality or his color. Perhaps they don't like it because he doesn't have ties to Paterno. I don't know.

What's his contract situation? How much is he paid and how many more years is on it?

 

[Joe Pa Thetic]

The sanctions excuse has become so ingrained in the PSU CULTure that it gets trotted out every time they lose, like how the Big 10 refs all cheat any time PSU loses a game. The slap on the wrist sanctions didn't come about for no reason. They were a result of the worst scandal in the history of American sports happening under Paterno and his "bosses."

 

[Pantherman43]

This is quite simple. James Franklin is not a good game day coach and he is not a good developer of talent.

James Franklin is an outstanding bull$hitter/recruiter and will go as far as his talent he recruits will take him.

James Franklin has show he can win at a place where not much is expected (Vandy) and has shown in a place where people actually care about wins and losses he has shown that he looks lost and out of place.

The #1 problem he faces at coach at Penn State is a problem he may never overcome. He is 4th best in his division of the Big 10.

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Lol I love this board. Maybe it's just the only two people with common sense on it

You are either a great deep cover troll or a flaming idiot. I'm leaning toward flaming idiot

 

[TD_6082]

This is quite simple. James Franklin is not a good game day coach and he is not a good developer of talent.

James Franklin is an outstanding bull$hitter/recruiter and will go as far as his talent he recruits will take him.

James Franklin has show he can win at a place where not much is expected (Vandy) and has shown in a place where people actually care about wins and losses he has shown that he looks lost and out of place.

The #1 problem he faces at coach at Penn State is a problem he may never overcome. He is 4th best in his division of the Big 10.

I don't feel the same way. However, its much more important to be a great recruiter than it is to be a great coach.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"TD_6082, post: 691643, member: 510"]I
Because that place is batshit crazy. Anyone that expected PSU to be competitive with tOSU, Michigan, or MSU this year is nuts.
Based on his Recruiting the last 2 years, I expected him to be competitive this year, but eh actually got worse than in 2014?
I can see Meyer's OSU Team being better he has been there 3 years! I can see Dantonio's Program being better he has been several years! I knew NW & Iowa has had coaches a long while too. However, Harbaugh in just one year made his Team better than Franklin did in 2 years? Wisconsin Chryst too! Even Rhule at Temple had a better year but it was his 3rd year. I just felt Franklin would have them better by the 10th, 11th, and 12th games?

Perhaps they don't like his personality or his color. Perhaps they don't like it because he doesn't have ties to Paterno. I don't know.
Agree, and see it like I have seen it many places and Penn State is not immune? Bama took many Coaches and a Decade or two, before it found Saban to replace Bears! OU too regarding Switzer? OSU after Woody Hayes didn't get back until Jim Tressel that laid a great foundation for Meyer! Texas has been looking for a Darrell Royal a long time? When a long term Great Coach build a Program and then leaves, it takes time for Fans to adjust and forget unless he wins 12-0 Games and wins the NCS like Meyer did at Florida and OSU?Penn State is going through this process just like USC, Florida, Miami, Oregon, Wisconsin, Arkansas, and a few more Programs. It is not personal it is a Memory Franklin is chasing, challenging and fighting? Just like Vandy is fighting Franklin's!

What's his contract situation? How much is he paid and how many more years is on it?
He is 8th Highest Coach paid among 128 FBS Programs with just 3 more years to go, but if PSU wants him to continue Recruiting at a higher Rank, they should give him an Extension! Pitt is recruiting much better is joined by New Dynamic Coaches at Maryland, CUSE, Virginia, Rutgers, VT within Franklin's range along with Michigan and OSU and MSU continued Great Recruiting now?

Maybe Joe Paterno knew by joining the Big Ten no coach would ever beat his record at Penn State? JoePa's vanity has caused many PSU Cultists Insanity!

Penn State needs to send a signal to all Recruits, that Franklin is there to stay and if they believe in his Plan the sooner the better? So far, silence from above the dark storm clouds over Unhappy Valley!

I can't tell if that is Paterno Image or an leftover from an Atomic Bomb aftermath of the Penn State Scandal he left behind his legacy that brought shame to Penn State's name?

 

[TD_6082]

I don't think his contract situation is a big deal. Most of the guys they recruit are going there to play for PSU, not James Franklin. That is true at PSU more so than any other school in the northeast.

Funny how coaches, or their agents have gotten schools to buy into this idea that they need a 4 or 5 year cushion on their contact to recruit effectively.

 

[USN_Panther]

They were a result of the worst scandal in the history of American sports happening under Paterno and his "bosses."

Can you think of a sports scandal in the history of the world that was bigger? I can't.

I volunteer for youth ice hockey in New Zealand, and the new policies for child protection and for vetting of volunteers and coaches here are referred to as the Penn State rules. What a legacy for Paterno!

In NZ, Pitt=Steven Adams and basketball. Penn State=pedophilia. Well done, Penn State. Thanks to PSU, I tell people here I am from West Virginia to avoid the comments.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"TD_6082, post: 692588, member: 510"]I don't think his contract situation is a big deal. Most of the guys they recruit are going there to play for PSU, not James Franklin. That is true at PSU more so than any other school in the northeast.
Sorry, TD_6082, that is just pure Poppycock, Myths and BS put out by Penn State Program like Paterno created???? If you were right, the Players that left Penn State during the Sanctions proved that false concept wrong!

This is what makes Penn State Culture a joke for the nation and why Penn State University had to put in 116 of 119 Freeh Reforms to obey all the Rules, Laws, and Regulations the Penn State Program were violating until 2012, under NCAA Monitor Oversight!

When they choose a Program they choose it for their own reasons, and they commit for those reasons to every school they decide upon.

Penn State just had the biggest Recruiting Resources in the Northeast, nothing more than any other Program and in spite of all those advantages, Pitt and Cuse have out done them as far as Higher Caliber Recruits and Players and far less NFL Busts!

Funny how coaches, or their agents have gotten schools to buy into this idea that they need a 4 or 5 year cushion on their contact to recruit effectively.
Well, wasn't that concept poo poo by Paterno once claiming to the Recruits, he was out lasting many other Coaches that claim he was too old and would be going soon???? The reason why Paterno stayed was because there was Lack Of Institutional Control over him!

Only after a Major Criminal Scandal within the Penn State Football Program was Paterno Fired, and then it was discovered Paterno would not allow the Clery Act, Title IX, Code of Conduct for Penn State Players, Athletic Integrity Agreement, and no one including the University President or A.D. to dismiss him!

This is why the NCAA Sanctions still stood even after a Lawsuit Settlement that reduced them only by the NCAA Monitor's Recommendation that Penn State had put in Reforms and put in Place Compliance Administration that can force any Sports Coach to resign anytime if they violate the New Policies, NCAA Rules, and others Laws, Regs, and Big Ten Compliances?

NOW THAT IS THE TRUE REASON WHY PENN STATE WAS ABLE TO BUILD UP RECRUITING RESOURCES BASE THAT WAS NOT FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES MORE THAN ANY PROGRAM OR UNIVERSITY IN THE NORTHEAST???

You do know that Franklin was approved to become Head Coach only after the New Director of Ethics & Compliance and AIA Officer that both flew down to Vanderbilt to look into Franklin';s Record on Compliances at Vanderbilt and Interviewed him what he would have to obey at Penn State???

Every Coach at Penn State is now under these Two Administrative Positions and President of Penn State and A.D. unlike Paterno? And every Penn State Recruit and Players are now not exempt from Student Judicial Code or Conduct just like any other Student unlike what was happening under Paterno??

This was the LOIC Advantages Paterno used to win over other Programs in the Northeast, not any great love to follow the rules, but cheating to win in the Northeast and Big Ten. The Big Ten Sanctions stayed in place even longer than the NCAA Sanctions were reduced! The Second Mile was dismantled first since Players On Cards and Gifts were part of that too?

Now that is old memory you are still living with believing all those myths that were proven false after the Investigations! Penn State also pays one the biggest stipends for Players in all of FBS 128 Teams, and that means they are going there for more money, and the Big Ten allows Unlimited Qualifiers (No GPA Minimum or SAT Scores level) so long as they Redshirt their Freshmen Year until they prove they can do College Work????

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"USN_Panther, post: 692669, member: 286"]Can you think of a sports scandal in the history of the world that was bigger? I can't.
I volunteer for youth ice hockey in New Zealand, and the new policies for child protection and for vetting of volunteers and coaches here are referred to as the Penn State rules. What a legacy for Paterno! In NZ, Pitt=Steven Adams and basketball. Penn State=pedophilia. Well done, Penn State. Thanks to PSU, I tell people here I am from West Virginia to avoid the comments.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, and many recruits De-committed after the Sanctions were announced, had they been truly devoted to just Penn State, they would not have done it and stayed at Penn State

The very Recruits and Players that stayed and went to Penn State were Coached up by O'Brien, but are now blamed by TD-6082 for playing poorly and can't be Coached Up by Franklin & Staff, after Franklin's Two Years Now???

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"CaptainSidneyReilly, post: 692672, member: 2434"]"TD_6082, post: 692588, member: 510"]I don't think his contract situation is a big deal. Most of the guys they recruit are going there to play for PSU, not James Franklin. That is true at PSU more so than any other school in the northeast.
Sorry, TD_6082, that is just pure Poppycock, Myths and BS put out by Penn State Program like Paterno created???? If you were right, the Players that left Penn State during the Sanctions proved that false concept wrong!

This is what makes Penn State Culture a joke for the nation and why Penn State University had to put in 116 of 119 Freeh Reforms to obey all the Rules, Laws, and Regulations the Penn State Program were violating until 2012, under NCAA Monitor Oversight!

When they choose a Program they choose it for their own reasons, and they commit for those reasons to every school they decide upon.

Penn State just had the biggest Recruiting Resources in the Northeast, nothing more than any other Program and in spite of all those advantages, Pitt and Cuse have out done them as far as Higher Caliber Recruits and Players and far less NFL Busts!

Funny how coaches, or their agents have gotten schools to buy into this idea that they need a 4 or 5 year cushion on their contact to recruit effectively.
Well, wasn't that concept poo poo by Paterno once claiming to the Recruits, he was out lasting many other Coaches that claim he was too old and would be going soon???? The reason why Paterno stayed was because there was Lack Of Institutional Control over him!

One Recruit under Paterno flunked High School 6 Times, but ended up at Penn State and another was actually suspended by Penn State but Paterno ignored it and played him him in the Bowl game anyway and never recorded under the Clery Act or Title IX for his Arrest??? Now maybe that is the reason they chose Penn State???

Only after a Major Criminal Scandal within the Penn State Football Program was Paterno Fired, and then it was discovered Paterno would not allow the Clery Act, Title IX, Code of Conduct for Penn State Players, Athletic Integrity Agreement, and no one including the University President or A.D. to dismiss him!

This is why the NCAA Sanctions still stood even after a Lawsuit Settlement that reduced them only by the NCAA Monitor's Recommendation that Penn State had put in Reforms and put in Place Compliance Administration that can force any Sports Coach to resign anytime if they violate the New Policies, NCAA Rules, and others Laws, Regs, and Big Ten Compliances?

NOW THAT IS THE TRUE REASON WHY PENN STATE WAS ABLE TO BUILD UP RECRUITING RESOURCES BASE THAT WAS NOT FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES MORE THAN ANY PROGRAM OR UNIVERSITY IN THE NORTHEAST???

You do know that Franklin was approved to become Head Coach only after the New Director of Ethics & Compliance and AIA Officer that both flew down to Vanderbilt to look into Franklin';s Record on Compliances at Vanderbilt and Interviewed him what he would have to obey at Penn State???

Every Coach at Penn State is now under these Two Administrative Positions and President of Penn State and A.D. unlike Paterno? And every Penn State Recruit and Players are now not exempt from Student Judicial Code or Conduct just like any other Student unlike what was happening under Paterno??

This was the LOIC Advantages Paterno used to win over other Programs in the Northeast, not any great love to follow the rules, but cheating to win in the Northeast and Big Ten. The Big Ten Sanctions stayed in place even longer than the NCAA Sanctions were reduced! The Second Mile was dismantled first since Players On Cards and Gifts were part of that too?

Now that is old memory you are still living with believing all those myths that were proven false after the Investigations! Penn State also pays one the biggest stipends for Players in all of FBS 128 Teams, and that means they are going there for more money, and the Big Ten allows Unlimited Qualifiers (No GPA Minimum or SAT Scores level) so long as they Redshirt their Freshmen Year until they prove they can do College Work????

 

[Joe Pa Thetic]

Can you think of a sports scandal in the history of the world that was bigger? I can't.

I volunteer for youth ice hockey in New Zealand, and the new policies for child protection and for vetting of volunteers and coaches here are referred to as the Penn State rules. What a legacy for Paterno!

In NZ, Pitt=Steven Adams and basketball. Penn State=pedophilia. Well done, Penn State. Thanks to PSU, I tell people here I am from West Virginia to avoid the comments.

Guess the memo has not made it to New Zealand yet that the entire scandal was made up by the Penn St. Board of Trustees and the NCAA and media worldwide because they were all jealous of Paterno and his "Success With Honor" or something like that.

 

[USN_Panther]

Guess the memo has not made it to New Zealand yet that the entire scandal was made up by the Penn St. Board of Trustees and the NCAA and media worldwide because they were all jealous of Paterno and his "Success With Honor" or something like that.

Kiwis are not easily fooled. It is hard to match the success of the All Blacks in rugby. Penn State does not come anywhere close to that. The truth at Penn State under Paterno was really "Mediocrity with Mischief". Limited success and certainly no honour. Did they accomplish any of their "greatness" without using a player's father as referee and without the pedophile as D coordinator?

Can you imagine Derrick Henry's father as the referee in the playoff bowl game that Alabama is playing in? That is essentially what JoePa set up with ref Guman.

 

[H2Pittisit]

I have yet to see someone answer this question objectively and without pretending like I am a troll. Answer me this. If Pitt were only allowed to take 15 commits this year and these commits knew at the time of committing they would never be in a bowl game. How many of the kids below do you feel would be committed to Pitt right now? I would guess not many which means we would have to reach on quite a few recruits. Now, Imagine this happening in last years recruiting class and this years recruiting class. Fast forward to 2018....Do you think it would make a big difference? I'm not even talking about the well deserved negative recruiting was done regarding playing for a school that allowed child rape that occurred and the scandal that hit and ruined their class before the sanctions. Penn State deserves everything they get and they are lucky to even have a team, but those who act like sanctions are not a big reason for lack of talent in their upper classes are very mistaken

1. Phil Cambell
2. Therran Coleman
3. Maurice French
4. Reuben Flowers
5. Brandon Ford
6. Bricen Garner
7. Zach Zilbert
8. Bryce Hargrove
9. George Hill
10. Patrick Jones
11.Thomas Macvittie
12. Henry Miller
13. Justin Morgan
14. Chawntez Moss
15. Kaezon Pugh
16. Chase Pine
17. Rashad Wheeler
18. Zack Williams
19. Juwann Winfree

 

[TD_6082]

"USN_Panther, post: 692669, member: 286"]Can you think of a sports scandal in the history of the world that was bigger? I can't.
I volunteer for youth ice hockey in New Zealand, and the new policies for child protection and for vetting of volunteers and coaches here are referred to as the Penn State rules. What a legacy for Paterno! In NZ, Pitt=Steven Adams and basketball. Penn State=pedophilia. Well done, Penn State. Thanks to PSU, I tell people here I am from West Virginia to avoid the comments.

Exactly, and many recruits De-committed after the Sanctions were announced, had they been truly devoted to just Penn State, they would not have done it and stayed at Penn State

The very Recruits and Players that stayed and went to Penn State were Coached up by O'Brien, but are now blamed by TD-6082 for playing poorly and can't be Coached Up by Franklin & Staff, after Franklin's Two Years Now???[/QUOTE]

BOB was 7-5 his last year. This team is 7-5
FACT!

 

[UPitt '89]

I have yet to see someone answer this question objectively and without pretending like I am a troll. Answer me this. If Pitt were only allowed to take 15 commits this year and these commits knew at the time of committing they would never be in a bowl game. How many of the kids below do you feel would be committed to Pitt right now? I would guess not many which means we would have to reach on quite a few recruits. Now, Imagine this happening in last years recruiting class and this years recruiting class. Fast forward to 2018....Do you think it would make a big difference? I'm not even talking about the well deserved negative recruiting was done regarding playing for a school that allowed child rape that occurred and the scandal that hit and ruined their class before the sanctions. Penn State deserves everything they get and they are lucky to even have a team, but those who act like sanctions are not a big reason for lack of talent in their upper classes are very mistaken

1. Phil Cambell
2. Therran Coleman
3. Maurice French
4. Reuben Flowers
5. Brandon Ford
6. Bricen Garner
7. Zach Zilbert
8. Bryce Hargrove
9. George Hill
10. Patrick Jones
11.Thomas Macvittie
12. Henry Miller
13. Justin Morgan
14. Chawntez Moss
15. Kaezon Pugh
16. Chase Pine
17. Rashad Wheeler
18. Zack Williams
19. Juwann Winfree

They're now on their third straight recruiting class that was NOT impacted by sanctions at all.

There are no excuses for them next season. Only their senior class will be "short". Pitt had a senior class of 11 players this year.

The "sanctions" excuse is gone after the Georgia game.

 

[H2Pittisit]

They're now on their third straight recruiting class that was NOT impacted by sanctions at all.

There are no excuses for them next season. Only their senior class will be "short". Pitt had a senior class of 11 players this year.

The "sanctions" excuse is gone after the Georgia game.

I agree. Next year, the sanctions begin to fade and Franklin's first class becomes Juniors. I expect to see a season much like we had this year. Some good and some bad.

As for this year, I think it's a legit excuse, because you mention Franklin is on his 3rd recruiting class, which is true but the current class is in high school and last years class redshirted for the most part besides Barkley and a few others who played out of necessity., so he basically played with 1 class as True Sophomores or RS Freshman.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Guess the memo has not made it to New Zealand yet that the entire scandal was made up by the Penn St. Board of Trustees and the NCAA and media worldwide because they were all jealous of Paterno and his "Success With Honor" or something like that.

There was Success With Non-Compliance That required NCAA Sanctions and nothing has changed that outcome on the Millions spent to correct The Penn State Football Culture!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Kiwis are not easily fooled. It is hard to match the success of the All Blacks in rugby. Penn State does not come anywhere close to that. The truth at Penn State under Paterno was really "Mediocrity with Mischief". Limited success and certainly no honour. Did they accomplish any of their "greatness" without using a player's father as referee and without the pedophile as D coordinator?

Can you imagine Derrick Henry's father as the referee in the playoff bowl game that Alabama is playing in? That is essentially what JoePa set up with ref Guman.

"Mediocrity with Mischief" A Good Title for a New Book on the Dark Side of The Penn State Football Scandal!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Exactly, and many recruits De-committed after the Sanctions were announced, had they been truly devoted to just Penn State, they would not have done it and stayed at Penn State

The very Recruits and Players that stayed and went to Penn State were Coached up by O'Brien, but are now blamed by TD-6082 for playing poorly and can't be Coached Up by Franklin & Staff, after Franklin's Two Years Now???

BOB was 7-5 his last year. This team is 7-5
FACT![/QUOTE]
Bob O'Brien took the job without knowing Sanctions were Admitted and Accepted! Bob still coach went 8-4 in his first year after losing Top Players that left and Recruits that De-committed and going 7-5 in his Second Year under Reduced Rosters Size of Scholarships is equal to what Franklin has done the last Two Years??? Yet, you Blame O'Brien and say Franklin needs More Time with more Top recruits and Players O'Brien never had but Franklin does the last two years???

In any event, Players left Penn State early rather staying to play at Penn State, so much for them wanting to play at Penn state as the only School in the Northeast! Some went public and blamed Franklin?

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

"dionlewis28, post: 693383, member: 5284"]I agree. Next year, the sanctions begin to fade and Franklin's first class becomes Juniors. I expect to see a season much like we had this year. Some good and some bad.
Harbaugh turned his Team around in one year? Naduzzi in First Year at Head Coaching did too!

As for this year, I think it's a legit excuse, because you mention Franklin is on his 3rd recruiting class, which is true but the current class is in high school and last years class redshirted for the most part besides Barkley and a few others who played out of necessity., so he basically played with 1 class as True Sophomores or RS Freshman.
Same as Narduzzi!

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

They're now on their third straight recruiting class that was NOT impacted by sanctions at all.

There are no excuses for them next season. Only their senior class will be "short". Pitt had a senior class of 11 players this year.

The "sanctions" excuse is gone after the Georgia game.

 

[H2Pittisit]

BOB was 7-5 his last year. This team is 7-5
FACT!

Bob O'Brien took the job without knowing Sanctions were Admitted and Accepted! Bob still coach went 8-4 in his first year after losing Top Players that left and Recruits that De-committed and going 7-5 in his Second Year under Reduced Rosters Size of Scholarships is equal to what Franklin has done the last Two Years??? Yet, you Blame O'Brien and say Franklin needs More Time with more Top recruits and Players O'Brien never had but Franklin does the last two years???


[/QUOTE]
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/football/article_c8248c48-26ec-11e3-92ce-001a4bcf6878.html



Bill O'brien's biggest achievement at Penn State was not his 8-4 or 7-5 record. It was keeping kids from leaving the school that could have. Bill O'brien was basically unaffected by the loss of Scholarships during his tenure except for maybe a special freshman or two that de-committed that would have contributed. Bill O'brien was affected by the veteran players who were allowed to leave the program without penalty...those players who would have had the biggest impact are Silas Redd, Justin Brown, Khari Fortt, and Anthony Fera. If it were not for that part of the sanctions, Bill O'brien probably could have won 10 games. Bill O'Brien left when the sanctioned classes began impacting his roster and it was wise of him to do so. As an example, if a team like Alabama is sanctioned tomorrow and has scholarships reduced for 2 seasons....will it impact their team in the upcoming season? Very little because they will have a Senior, Junior, and Sophomore class not impacted(Bill O'brien year 1). Will it impact their team the following year(Bill O'brien year 2)? A little more, but not much because you have loaded Juniors and Seniors rosters that were not affected by the penalties. What about years 3 and 4 when the missing recruits would have been True Juniors and Seniors.....Yes and Yes(Franklin year 1 and year 2).

 

[H2Pittisit]

"dionlewis28, post: 693383, member: 5284"]I agree. Next year, the sanctions begin to fade and Franklin's first class becomes Juniors. I expect to see a season much like we had this year. Some good and some bad.
Harbaugh turned his Team around in one year? Naduzzi in First Year at Head Coaching did too!

As for this year, I think it's a legit excuse, because you mention Franklin is on his 3rd recruiting class, which is true but the current class is in high school and last years class redshirted for the most part besides Barkley and a few others who played out of necessity., so he basically played with 1 class as True Sophomores or RS Freshman.
Same as Narduzzi!

Harbaugh inherited a team with recruiting classes ranked #7 in 2012 and #5 in 2013. Those are his current Juniors and Seniors.

Coach Narduzzi had a great year, but he played a lot of games that could have gone either way early in the year, then finished 2-4.

You are comparing apples to oranges when comparing Harbaugh coming in and Franklin coming in.

Narduzzi is a closer comparison.

My point is not to argue whether Franklin can coach, because I can honestly not care less if he can and hope he cannot, but those who argue the sanctions have no impact any more have no idea how sanctions work. It's not an instant penalty. It penalizes you when those players would be important parts of your roster which is right now.

 

[CaptainSidneyReilly]

Bob O'Brien took the job without knowing Sanctions were Admitted and Accepted! Bob still coach went 8-4 in his first year after losing Top Players that left and Recruits that De-committed and going 7-5 in his Second Year under Reduced Rosters Size of Scholarships is equal to what Franklin has done the last Two Years??? Yet, you Blame O'Brien and say Franklin needs More Time with more Top recruits and Players O'Brien never had but Franklin does the last two years???

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/football/article_c8248c48-26ec-11e3-92ce-001a4bcf6878.html



Bill O'brien's biggest achievement at Penn State was not his 8-4 or 7-5 record. It was keeping kids from leaving the school that could have. Bill O'brien was basically unaffected by the loss of Scholarships during his tenure except for maybe a special freshman or two that de-committed that would have contributed.
I agree, and good point and not always appreciated by some PSU Fans! One reason why 2012 Class has a Number up at the Stadium!

Bill O'brien was affected by the veteran players who were allowed to leave the program without penalty...those players who would have had the biggest impact are Silas Redd, Justin Brown, Khari Fortt, and Anthony Fera. If it were not for that part of the sanctions, Bill O'brien probably could have won 10 games.
Concur again! They barely lost to Ohio, UVA and Nebraska! Only OSU beat them 35-23! I was at the Wisconsin freezing 24-21 OT Win!

Bill O'Brien left when the sanctioned classes began impacting his roster and it was wise of him to do so. As an example, if a team like Alabama is sanctioned tomorrow and has scholarships reduced for 2 seasons....will it impact their team in the upcoming season? Very little because they will have a Senior, Junior, and Sophomore class not impacted(Bill O'brien year 1). Will it impact their team the following year(Bill O'brien year 2)? A little more, but not much because you have loaded Juniors and Seniors rosters that were not affected by the penalties. What about years 3 and 4 when the missing recruits would have been True Juniors and Seniors.....Yes and Yes(Franklin year 1 and year 2).
It is unknown, but Jay Paterno was under cutting O'Brien from day one when he arrived, and O'Brien did a great job!

Yet, for the sad shape Paterno left the Program of Shame in by not following all the rules, laws, and Compliances as known today and had to be corrected under O'Brien and Franklin now subject too? And those same Fans still blame Penn State when Paterno deserves much of that blame for demanding only he could discipline his Players and the University never had full control over him?

Joe should have left in 1998-99! Or been fired in 2004 when he showed President Spanier and A.D.Curley the door! This is what brought true shame to Penn State name!

 

[Slick Manager of Champs]

Harbaugh inherited a team with recruiting classes ranked #7 in 2012 and #5 in 2013. Those are his current Juniors and Seniors.

Coach Narduzzi had a great year, but he played a lot of games that could have gone either way early in the year, then finished 2-4.

You are comparing apples to oranges when comparing Harbaugh coming in and Franklin coming in.

Narduzzi is a closer comparison.

My point is not to argue whether Franklin can coach, because I can honestly not care less if he can and hope he cannot, but those who argue the sanctions have no impact any more have no idea how sanctions work. It's not an instant penalty. It penalizes you when those players would be important parts of your roster which is right now.

Why are you even arguing this on a Pitt site, no one cares what you or TD_nitter think about PSU. Go root for them, troll.