I would image over the years a few people in the accounting division did some things that could be considered creative!
Reality with AD Greene
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I would image over the years a few people in the accounting division did some things that could be considered creative!
Fetterman says Democratic Party brand is 'toxic' thanks to constant 'shaming and scolding'
Sen. John Fetterman, D-Pa., admitted that he wasn’t sure how the Democratic Party can win back young men after losing the 2024 presidential election.
I certainly don't agree with everything he said.
But when you're asking for something, votes, money, donations etc you should probably cool it with the lectures and shaming and inspire more.
Anyway, my last take on the subject. I want Pitt to do well and am doing my part.
But when you're asking for something, votes, money, donations etc you should probably cool it with the lectures and shaming and inspire more.
Anyway, my last take on the subject. I want Pitt to do well and am doing my part.
You know what’s self defeating?
Paying coaches millions a year for failing to improve the programs
Blaming the consumers for not spending more than what’s required is honestly insane !
Let’s say a new restaurant near you opens up -
do you pay above premium prices for the product to support them ?
Or is your business support enough ?!?
Honestly - if pitt football keeps regressing - I’ll be done with my donations and season tickets .
I’ll watch on TV . It’s not worth the aggravation and time
I’ll send a letter first and told me Paco told me I’m a problem , so I’m cutting bait .
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"Fans get the teams they deserve"
For the most part I think this is true.
The Red Sox for example had a losing season one year and jacked up payroll and made the playoffs the next year
The Oakland A's, even with a few competitive teams over the years couldnt draw flies and are headed to Vegas
The Pirates are the exception. The fans have proven they will support a winner and simply dont deserve the crap Nutting gives them
As for Pitt, I think Pitt fans feel they deserve more effort from the athletic program and the University feels they are giving enough.
Those that want to take the Pitt fans to task for non support are in the wrong, in my view. Pitt's situation wont change until PITT believes the fans deserve more, not the other way around.
For the most part I think this is true.
The Red Sox for example had a losing season one year and jacked up payroll and made the playoffs the next year
The Oakland A's, even with a few competitive teams over the years couldnt draw flies and are headed to Vegas
The Pirates are the exception. The fans have proven they will support a winner and simply dont deserve the crap Nutting gives them
As for Pitt, I think Pitt fans feel they deserve more effort from the athletic program and the University feels they are giving enough.
Those that want to take the Pitt fans to task for non support are in the wrong, in my view. Pitt's situation wont change until PITT believes the fans deserve more, not the other way around.
Well I've never seen Pitt "blame the the consumers."
But I'm not Pitt, so I'm calling out those who claim to be these big fans on message board but champion quitting with their support. That's not how college athletics works. You want a better shot at winning more. Put up or shut up. If you think you are some big fan and pulling support is going to affect some outcome other than something detrimental to the program, you are fooling yourself. If that makes someone feel bad, that is on them.
If you think college athletics operates like other business, like a restaurant, you are delusional.
It very much does
And That’s the problem
Pitt has a demand problem , just like any business .
You blaming folks for not giving more is the same as blaming others for not overpaying for any other product or service .
How has your “calling out” worked for helping pitt athletics, as your goal ?
Seems more like you are convincing current boosters to give up !
Mission accomplished!
My donations are half this year and may end next year!
LOL, it very much doesn't work like any other business, or Pitt, and 95% of other collegiate athletic programs, wouldn't have fielded sports for the past 40+ years when they have been constantly bleeding money.
And you don't need me to convince you to do anything. You've been banging your chest for some time now about how Pitt sports isn't as important to you anymore. However, based on your post, what you may need help with is taking responsibility for your own action.
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People need to stop comparing college athletics to retail type businesses and professional sports. It’s not the same. Compare to your peers within your industry.
I mostly agree. But as time goes by, and player "salaries" become the norm, isnt it moving to the pro sports model?
Certainly, there will always be wealthy fanboys.
But everyday schmoes like me? It seems they are a dying breed.......
They are fielding those teams because it’s legally required by the ncaa and title 9.
Without those, it would be only the profit sports
I accept your concession
How does it not ?’
There is revenue and expenses . Supply and demand for the product.
When any business is struggling to break even - so they raise prices -
that’s what Pitt athletics is doing to reseating the Pete again and mandatory donation levels for season tickets for football and men’s hoops
Why don’t they do it for volleyball , baseball , track and field , or swimming ?
Because people would laugh at it nobody would attend
Supply and demand .
Pitt has had more overall success in athletics over the last 4 years, but yet you are giving less.
LMFAO...you really don't realize how you are undermining your own point? As you actually realize, you can't legally separate the only two potentially profitable sports (which haven't always been profitable over the past 50 years at Pitt) from the operations of the non-revenue ones. Another example that underscores how college athletics is not like a restaurant or any other business. That may change in the future, but separation of individual sports is not how athletic at any college have, or currently, operate.
When you want have a conversation based on the realities of the situation, let me know.
And things are about to get much, much worse for Pitt, the university, financially. More on that in another thread.
I’m giving less this year because of the lack of football success
That’s where my donation and season tickets are .
I’ll vote with my wallet .
Same way I don’t keep eating at a restaurant that isn’t satisfying.
Sounds like you need to give more , right ?
My donations will go to the school of pharmacy - not to pay $8mil a year for a coach .
Of course academia everywhere is being attacked .
Same way basic science is under attack .
Welcome to the Find Out stage of the FA!
Well, since I can't control the decision of hiring or firing or whatever people think needs to be done, the one thing I try not to do is make it tougher for the AD to succeed. I try not to be part of a snowball effect by compounding the problem of casual fans abandoning their ticket purchases when the single biggest issue facing most athletic departments right now is increasing revenue to pay for on-field talent. I guess I just assumed most people spending their spare time posting on fan message boards devoted to Pitt aren't just casual, band wagon fans.
Yep it’s only you!
Why should I keep donating thousands for a
Product that’s doomed , and showing no signs of being in the “haves”
You do you. Don't expect me to cheer you on any more than I would expect you to cheer me.
Nah, I'm going to keep pointing out weak justifications of people that call themselves one thing and clearly demonstrate another and then beat their chest about it in some stupid celebration on a public forum dedicated to a cause they are helping to tear down. Seems to bother you quite a bit. That in itself is its own reward.
PittPharm, I get it I do. But the question I have is if you are doing it to prove a point, isnt that just making it even harder for Pitt to compete? I mean if fans are saying they are no longer going to donate because they are upset, then how do you expect Pitt to be better?
I think Pitt can compete better now because it is simply about money to the players and not about, what league, attendance or how good a program is. Its about who offers more. I dont think fans are actually noticing how much those blueblood programs are complaining about NIL. They can no longer stock pile on those players anymore. The portal is a monster, and it is starting to take its toll on the bigboys. They are begging their fans and donors for more as well.
It’s not my job to make sure pitt football can compete .
I’m paying for entertainment, and it’s not seeming worth the expense .
There’s a guy getting $8mil a year who’s responsible for the team being competitive.
Great to see is still bothers you to be called out! Love that you keep posting to make it clear how to everyone how it is no more meaningful to you then paying for a movie ticket. Glad you continue to find your indifference is so self-important that it warrants continual shouting from the rooftop.
I’ll toss and turn all night , muttering “Paco is disappointed.”
Just remember you hurt Pitt more with your votes
You will toss and turn wondering if there is someone else you can convince to wallow in similar self-righteous indifference. You can't help yourself. You have to respond. Who might not be aware of how little you care? Maybe you missed somebody......
You two either need to fight or f*ck each other.
Pitt, and all research universities, are certainly going to be hurt by how certain people voted. Of that, we can all be assured.
Let's just not pretend that anyone is surprised.
And things are about to get much, much worse for Pitt, the university, financially. More on that in another thread.
You mean.....like this for example?
New NIH policy: Pitt faces big cut in federal research money
‘We can’t do the science if we can’t keep the lights on.’
www.post-gazette.com
I mentioned this earlier in the thread. PITT is going to have major financial issues (along with other universities). Expect entire departments to be shutdown.And things are about to get much, much worse for Pitt, the university, financially. More on that in another thread.
You mean.....like this for example?
New NIH policy: Pitt faces big cut in federal research money
‘We can’t do the science if we can’t keep the lights on.’
You eluded to Pitt being a "shit product. You obviously have some sort of standard that Pitt isn't meeting.
Nice job on the food drive though. You have my respect. Imagine if you didn't feel appreciated and nobody did the work to do the food drive, though? Not exactly the same but that's sort of the point I was making.
also why athletics donations are not actually important .And things are about to get much, much worse for Pitt, the university, financially. More on that in another thread.
You mean.....like this for example?
New NIH policy: Pitt faces big cut in federal research money
‘We can’t do the science if we can’t keep the lights on.’
Holy **** this was a miserable thread to read.
It’s absolutely embarrassing reading the pretzels our fans twist themselves into to justify why they or our fanbase overall doesn’t need to donate.
We won a Championship at the beginning of the NIL era and over the next few years had one of the lowest 25% NIL budgets in P4.
Pitt athletics is spending a ton of money - they have been and are trying.
Obviously do whatever you want with your money… but if you care, the help is always more money. Not less. ESPECIALLY when things aren’t going well.
If we had a lot of people that thought that way, we’d have a lot more success in basketball and football.
It’s absolutely embarrassing reading the pretzels our fans twist themselves into to justify why they or our fanbase overall doesn’t need to donate.
We won a Championship at the beginning of the NIL era and over the next few years had one of the lowest 25% NIL budgets in P4.
Pitt athletics is spending a ton of money - they have been and are trying.
Obviously do whatever you want with your money… but if you care, the help is always more money. Not less. ESPECIALLY when things aren’t going well.
If we had a lot of people that thought that way, we’d have a lot more success in basketball and football.
A lot of the fan base was too butt hurt on KP skipping the bowl game. I've been around Pitt sports long enough to know that some people enjoy complaining about Pitt sports more than they enjoy Pitt winning. I'll never forget all of the accounts on this board went dead silent when things were good.
I'm not sure if you're speaking about me specifically or not.
But my point is and always has been isn't that our fan base doesn't "need to donate".
It's Pitt and it's fundraising mission is poor and misguided and doesn't inspire people to donate.
It was definitely a little deflating, but we still decided to attend the bowl game and I had no problem with Kenny’s decision (he got us 11 wins and an ACC championship, he did his part).
For what it’s worth, I think we win that game if Nick Patti plays the whole game. Felt awful he lost his big breakout opportunity, although (I believe) Slovis had already committed by that point.
the blue bloods of the world are the blue bloods because of their fanbases and donors / not because of the quality of their fundraising department
If you are invested in the program and going to complain about the results, you absolutely “need to donate” (within your means/capabilities).
There is no other argument that makes sense. There’s literally no argument that less money for Pitt helps them achieve the goals that you want to see.
